Public Hearing

I'll call the public hearing for Tuesday, December 5th to order for the rezoning application number 2023 01439, 341, and 345 Island Highway.

We recognize that Lekwungen speaking people known today as the Esquimalt Nation and the Songhees Nation, and that their historic connections to these lands continue to this day.

The proposed bylaw has been introduced and received and has received second reading of council before the bylaw can legally uh can be legally adopted by council.

It must receive two more readings.

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This evening we'll hear a presentation from staff and the applicant, and then we will hear from the public during the comments from the public portion of the agenda.

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Public hearing that we had in the Scottish Cultural Center that we heard in a number of differing views, and those who stood up to have their views, even though it was in opposition of others, really respected each other and set a model for democracy, I believe.

So I thank you for that.

I'm looking forward to the same this evening.

When it comes time, I think there was a question: how long can we speak?

Jane, particularly to you.

At the point where you start arguing with yourself, I will cut you off.

And uh if your point has been made, I will probably get you to sum up.

Uh it's not me being rude, but there's a lot of people to go through.

We have a full agenda and then another meeting after that agenda to go through this evening.

So, in the spirit of time, your your point, uh, if delivered concisely, can be much more powerful than something that uh that would take much longer to deliver.

Uh so that's all I'd ask you to do is is to be concise.

Um have council uh consider a motion to approve the agenda, including the attached blue sheet for late items ad.

Moved by councillor Mattson, seconded by counselor uh Brown.

All those in favor?

Any opposed?

Seeing none opposed, um, I think we could probably move down to uh the statement, which I think I've already read and gone through.

Um I think we're over to ah, okay.

Evening, uh mayor and council.

Uh Sterling Square Community Planner.

I'm gonna do uh uh just a notice of advertising for uh mayor and council and those present tonight.

So just to confirm the bylaw, uh the notice that was advertised that has advertised this public hearing was posted on the notice board at the town hall on the 22nd day of November 23rd or November of 2023.

Sorry.

The notice that advertised this public hearing was also posted on the town's website uh on the same day, 22nd today of November 2023.

The notice was mailed to 603 residents on the 22nd day of November uh within 400 meters of the radius properties.

And then finally, the notice was also advertised in two issues of a newspaper, being the Goldstream Gazette on Wednesday, uh November 22nd and Wednesday, November 29th.

Staff do not have a presentation this evening.

The applicant is in attendance and has a presentate presentation that they will be uh providing.

Uh, and then later on in the evening, there will be uh uh consideration for third reading of uh bylaw number one one two eight.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, Sterling, and thanks for all uh your work for you and Leanne and and getting this uh public hearing out and getting the notifications out and Sarah as well.

Um I think we can move down did you want to go directly uh Sterling are you requesting that the proponent now um come and speak to the report uh to the mayor yes that uh the uh presentations up on the screen and I think they're ready to go thank you forward good evening, Mary and Council.

My name is Doug Ford.

I'm with Invictus Commercial Investment Corp.

We are the developer of this proposal.

I'm here with Jeff Klaus from Boardwalk Reet, who will be the owner of the properties once rezoned and built.

I'm also here with Jennifer from Town Square and Rob from de Hoog or DHK, I think they now go by as as the architects.

And they will run through the proposal.

I did want to mention that in in addition to all the notifications that View Royal has put out for this public hearing, we also put one out by way of delivering to 400 uh within a 400 meter radius of of the development itself and uh held our fifth neighborhood consultation meeting last week so i'm pretty sure everyone that has a vested interest will will be well aware of what it is that we're proposing i can say that at that last meeting we had only 11 different groups or or individuals come forward of which seven uh came forward with support for the development in writing as well as some that came forward verbally that said they would be here to speak of it so having said that i'd like to ask Jennifer to come up and run through the presentation.

Thank you, Doug.

Thank you, Mayor and Council, for allowing us to be here tonight.

To your point about being succinct and concise with our presentation, we're going to try and do that tonight because this is really about the community's opportunity to share input.

And we've had many chances to be here over the course of the last 18 months to receive feedback and direction both from staff and from council.

And we're here to present the final presentation tonight.

So if there are questions after we've gone through our presentation, we're certainly here to answer them, but we'll try and be succinct.

As Doug just mentioned, we have had five neighborhood information meetings over the course of this application, which is somewhat unprecedented in terms of the number of times that we've had an opportunity to share information, receive feedback, and make adjustments.

And that has been ongoing throughout the whole application process since we started in early 2022 and have had multiple points of contact with neighbors, with the community, and great direction from staff as well as yourselves in this very room.

The purpose of all of those discussions is really to be ensuring that what we're proposing is doing its best to reflect what the community wants.

And we take our first guidance from the official community plan that has a designation for this property as a mixed residential development site.

We know that that means change and change for the residents and tenants that are there right now.

We know that that means change for the neighborhood.

And what we've been doing through this community conversation is to try and shape that change to best reflect what the community wants, what the community needs in terms of new housing and rental housing, and investment in View Royal that really is about community building.

So we'll walk through some of those points in the next slides.

I can get your responding now.

I don't know if it's just me.

If someone else could advance the slides, maybe that would help.

Thank you.

So we know that we were asked this question of what's in it for View Royal, and that's a rather casual question with some real serious information behind the response.

Community building is about implementing a community's vision.

And again, I said we we look to the official community plan to find that guidance with respect to what the citizens of View Royal have asked for.

The official community plan is really based upon striving for greater sustainable greater sustainability in how the community grows.

And that means trying to balance environmental considerations with social and economic considerations to arrive at a solid proposal and a solid shared vision for the future.

We've looked to the official community plan for those directions and found great alignment, we think, with many of those community aspirations.

Rob will be speaking later about some of the specifics of the site plan and architecture of the proposal.

But you've heard us speak about many changes over the past 18 months to emphasize a greater protection of open space and trees that will be protected by covenant as directed by council and work through with staff.

All trying to achieve a more compact form of development that balances places for buildings with places for trees to remain and places for outdoor gathering and use, and direction to achieve greater sustainability in the actual built form itself by achieving buildings built to step code three.

With respect to the social side, we all are well aware of the pressure in this region, in this community for more housing and more alternative forms of housing to the single family detached home, which can create more affordability, opportunities for downsizing for seniors and for young individuals just starting out.

And so this is a proposal for more rental housing in a place where that form of development was anticipated in the OCP.

Specifically to the question of how do we balance new growth and make sure that new growth or new development is paying its way and contributing to the economic resiliency of View Royal in this case?

You collect development cost charges, community amenity contributions, fees and charges that in this case are going to be over $3.5 million in those contributions, in addition to an increase in the annual tax base estimated at about $400,000 of increased annual tax base income to View Royal plus additional charges to the CRD.

All of that is to say that new development is responsible for paying its way and is contributing significantly to other community amenities and infrastructure upgrades as a result of the proposed change.

Next slide, please.

Oh, thank you.

So we strive to find that alignment with the official community plan.

And at one point I know we were talking about a potential amendment to the official community plan when a different range of uses were being considered.

With your direction and working with staff, we have retained the consistency with the official community plan mixed residential designation.

We reduced the density from our original proposal down to 1.58, where a maximum of 1.6 FSR could be allowed.

And at one point we were considering a site-specific zone, but it became very clear that we are consistent with your existing RM3 zone.

And so that is what is being proposed, and that is what the bylaw reflects.

This is again additional residential development in a location that was identified in your OCP for mixed residential development.

It's directly across from the future planned town center site, and is it within walking distance of other commercial and community development sites.

The proposal is providing a significant community benefit in providing new housing.

This will be creating 238 new rental homes for more people to be able to reside in View Royal.

It is trying to broaden that spectrum of housing choice available in View Royal and is striving to achieve more affordable market alternatives to single family housing.

As I said at the outset, we know that the existing buildings that are on site right now are providing homes for residents, and those residents will be supported through the redevelopment process.

Even prior to the adoption of policy by View Royal, this application came in and has always included a very robust tenant support plan that is going to be implemented if this rezoning is advanced with direct engagement with all of those tenants through the work of a tenant support worker that has been engaged to assist.

The recent fires over the last year have been traumatic for everybody involved and are a sign of the state of the buildings, the site, and its readiness for redevelopment.

And thankfully, no one has been significantly injured in those incidents.

To the environmental benefits, we know it's change, but it's change that has been significantly shaped by all these conversations.

Talking about tree retention and that open space buffer between the site and the neighboring properties and the Heddle Park open space.

So a lot of work has been done.

You've heard us talk about it.

We've taken your guidance to now be protecting almost 40% of the site as a no build zone that will be covenanted in perpetuity so that it will not be built on.

Rob will speak a bit more to the STEP code three building strategies that create greater efficiency in how the buildings will operate.

And there's been quite a bit of discussion about the resident amenity space to ensure that new housing is livable, is accommodating people of all ages and all abilities on site.

And so we know that that is an existing concern and a consideration when thinking about more houses and more people on this site.

So the project will be providing a new signalized traffic light at the intersection of Island Highway and Prince Robert at no cost to view well, so that's a development cost.

All of the access for the site is going to be taken off of Prince Prince Robert, so without additional driveway accesses to or from Island Highway.

There will be new streetscape improvements and a new bus stop and bus shelter, all in an effort to support greater active transportation modes to and from the site and to facilitate the traffic flow along Island Highway.

We've heard quite a bit of concern about traffic shortcutting through the neighborhood and shared those concerns with staff, and we suspect there are opportunities for there potentially to be some traffic calming measures or other considerations in the neighborhood that would further deter that shortcutting nuisance.

You've seen these numbers before.

We were asked just to clarify how the calculations were provided.

So we've looked to your DCC bylaw to calculate how the charges would be would be tabulated.

These are estimates at this time, just because we don't know full building costs and you know where the when this will actually be approved, but the this is an estimate of some of the costs that come to View Royal directly.

You will recall that there was an independent land economist engaged by View Royal to do a landlift analysis to look at whether or not there's room for any further amenity contributions.

And while that independent economic study indicated that there was no lift in land value, this proposal is coming forward with a voluntary contribution towards that community amenity contribution fund.

So at $4,000 per unit.

Done in the neighborhood to support or in response to some of the concerns or requests for additional amenities.

And so we're sharing these with you because DCCs come and flow through the municipality, and these many of these ideas are beyond the scope of this site and this project.

But we've had the privilege of hearing from residents that these are ideas of interest and concern to them.

We want to make sure that the conversation is about sharing and community building.

So we bring these forward as ideas that have come to us and we share them with you because ultimately the DCCs would flow through View Royal and be applied as View Royal wants to apply them to neighborhood projects like this.

So at this point, Rob's going to walk through some of the key site plan and design details, and then we're all here to answer questions at the end.

I'll try and move along pretty quick because I think a lot of this is just a bit of a refresher.

So on the left is the original application that had a conventional layout with buildings encircling the site.

This created a central open space with landscaping, surface parking, lobby, and fire department access.

Increased setbacks along Heddle Park allowed for the preservation of some perimeter trees.

Taking the feedback we heard from Town Hall and the community, we flipped this layout inside out, pulling the buildings in from the property lines to make the primary open space the existing wooded area along the back rather than a new central courtyard.

We also reduced the density and changed from mixed use to purely residential, as Jennifer said, to closely align with the mixed residential land use designation and avoid the OCP amendment.

I believe these changes have yielded a remarkable outcome where the prescribed densification of the site can be achieved while also retaining over three quarters of the existing trees, which is triple the original amount.

In addition to shifting above ground structure, this requires a reduced footprint two story underground parkade that's positioned outside the critical root zone of retained trees under the guidance of a arborist during detailed design and construction.

Supplementing the retained trees, all removed trees will be replaced at a two to one ratio.

In the target RM3 zone, up to 60% of the site area may be occupied by buildings with a remaining 40% open space.

This allows us to provide a variety of substantial outdoor spaces, a pocket park on Island Highway, shared central courtyard with outdoor amenity and barbecue spaces, retained wooded area at the rear, enhanced with chip trails and naturalized playground, so that families have many options for outdoor activity on site.

The added green space at the entry plaza shifts building massing away from island highway and provides more variation in the built form framing the street.

There is significant stepping back of the sixth floor so that the buildings are only five stories at the street edge.

Building ends have been shifted further away from neighbors up the hill and reoriented to reduce overlook from the new suites on the neighbors.

The inverted site plan approach took time to coordinate with the fire department to ensure that we had an emergency response solution that functioned as well as the central courtyard.

In addition to access from both fronting streets, we've added an emergency and commercial only driveway off Island Highway that also functions as the main pedestrian entry plaza.

This is sized for fire truck turnaround and outrigger mobilization and also extends into the central courtyard to provide ladder access to the upper floors of both buildings.

So this design now exceeds the BC building code for emergency access, which only requires that vehicles be within 15 meters of main entries.

The site topography climbs from Island Highway to Hedel Park at about 10% slope.

Over the course of public engagement, we tucked the buildings more into the hillside and reduced step-ups, which cut two floors off the uppermost height of new construction.

Building height is only four and a half stories relative to Heddle, the Heddle property line, and well below the view of the houses at the top of Prince Robert Drive and fully screened by mature trees.

Design details are established during the subsequent development permit process, but the vision is for high-quality contemporary buildings with elegant, durable materials and large bright windows.

A combination of revitalized and new ornamental landscaping beautifies the streets and enriches the on-site pedestrian experience through layered planting and interconnected paved areas and finishes in both the private and shared spaces.

Boardwalk owns and operates their buildings for the long term.

So all mechanical and electrical systems are engineered for optimal performance and high efficiency.

In this case, meeting or exceeding step three of the BC Energy Step Code and minimizing greenhouse gas emissions.

Just to almost wrap it up here.

Steps lead up to slightly raised patios that strike the right balance between resident privacy and the CPTED benefit of eyes on the street.

The mix of unit types are stacked in a way that creates a natural stepping of the upper floors so that the five-story elevation facing Island Highway has a strong hierarchy of base, middle, and top, creating opportunities for roof terraces and greenery.

This stepping gives the two story townhouse base prominence on the street with the upper floors receding.

Inset balconies between suites break the frontage down to a more residential scale, which is complemented with individual townhouse entries and patios.

So, in conclusion, just to summarize the benefits one last time, we're consistent with in implementing the OCP, providing much needed new housing, um, protecting the urban tree canopy, contributing over three and a half million in DCCs, CACs, and fees, increasing annual tax base by roughly $400,000, and replacing non-conforming poor quality structures with high quality new buildings.

Thank you.

If you could switch to slide four.

The one with the uh town of you royal OCP land use designation.

Is that um current map zoning our current map zoning?

Because when I go on the website and look under zoning, um I'm seeing a completely different map than that.

Okay, I've got them at C D 13 on mine.

Is that an old?

Uh could be.

Let me just see if we can pull that up.

It's C D 13 Island Highway on the legend.

Um so just a point of clarification.

Um so the map that's up on the screen here is the OCP land use designation map, which shows the land use designations.

Um sorry, and so this CD is a comprehensive development.

That's a zone.

So Sterling will look up to see um to see sort of yeah, what um I I guess my point is we're rezoning it, but uh, I think when Sterling introduced it, it was um zoned as something other than mixed residential at this current time.

That's what I'm trying to to what are we rezoning this from?

And uh it just seems like I'm looking at two different maps.

Yeah, so there are two two different maps.

So the OCP land use designation is mixed residential, and that's what this map shows here.

So that these are sho these um different color color blobs on this map are all the different land use designations, and then the existing zoning map in our OCP um shows the existing um the existing zones.

So currently this property is zone C five, which is the tourist um accommodation zone, and uh the proposal is to rezone that to the RM3 zone.

Okay, thank you for the clarification.

Council have any questions of the presentation?

Counselor Brown.

Just a quick one.

I mean, last meeting I did ask a question from Mr.

Kloss about the uh heating uh in the building, and I understood it was heat pumps, but then I found out it was hybrid heat pumps.

So I'm sorry for my ignorance, but I I'm not really aware what that would enhale.

Is that um is that gonna help it reduce our greenhouse emissions, gas emissions, or or help us with mitigating uh climate change?

I'm not sure.

Um uh the I know it's not specific to the zoning, but however, you you did partially answer my question, but then you said um, yeah, anyway, if you could maybe explain that a little bit better.

Thank you.

Good evening, counselor and mayor.

Thanks for having us.

Uh yeah, just a further clarification.

Um, I think what we chatted about last time was excuse me, to achieve a step code three.

Uh so right now there we're fairly early on in the design uh of the engineering for the mechanical systems.

So there's numerous ways for us to achieve step code three.

Um, but definitely we uh could very likely be using heat pumps.

Uh that's what uh we're uh looking likely to use.

Um one of our other developments is using a hybrid system, that's correct, uh, where each of the individual heat pumps uh in each of the units are uh run off electricity.

Uh but there is also a a system, uh a plant system that uh can be fired from numerous different types of sources of fuel, including natural gas or electricity or solar or geothermal.

So I'm not sure.

Hopefully that provides some help.

So that would be more of a backup system.

Um they can be.

There's nuances to that.

They can be backup or they can function primary, secondary, or parallel as well.

It gives optionality and and backup to the system.

And it can also provide uh fuel switching as well, depending on what's available at the time.

Thank you.

Counselor Brown, uh Councillor brown uh counselor rogers, please all over the the similar theme with uh staff uh staff we did um um pass the uh zero carbon uh step code in um in september i think it was and i think um part of that was um identifying that the six door units would uh could be implemented in july 2024 so um how would that uh this um impact for that date is um given whether or not this bylaw gets passed this application gets passed today um what what does that uh do to the implementation of that step code uh thank you for the question uh through the mayor, if the apple if if the rezoning is approved and then the applicant applies for development permit and then that is um subsequently approved, the applicant um if the applicant submits a building permit application after July 1st, 2024, then it the application would have to comply with um level four zero carbon step code.

However, if the applicant um gets their application in before that date, then it would not be required to apply to comply with that.

Thank you.

Counselor Matson.

So you'd mentioned did I hear you say that appliances might be natural gas like stoves and fireplaces.

Just for a clarification, no, none of the appliances would be um uh natural gas, it'd all be electric.

Okay.

So just potentially some of the backup heating could be natural.

Yeah, the the plant uh that supplies either the cooling or the heating could be fired from natural gas or other sources.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you, Councillor Matson.

Councillor McKenzie, please.

Uh my question for staff, so to confirm what was described, the possibility of switching uh would that comply with uh zero carbon step code?

So uh through the mayor, um to to comply with level four zero carbon uh step code, it's um it it'd have to be electrification for heating, um for hot hot water, and for um your the cooking range.

However, um if you have a uh but a gas fireplace like a secondary heat source like a gas fireplace would would be permitted under the zero carbon level four.

Okay, thank you.

And so I know the requirement doesn't come in until next summer, but is it possible for us to request that they meet?

And is this our only opportunity now to ask that of the applicant?

Um through the mayor, that is correct.

Um it is it is a bylaw, it's in our building bylaw, um, those particular dates.

And so at this point in time, it would be a request of the applicant if if well sh should they submit their building permit application before july 1st 2024 then it would be a rec request however if it's if the building permit application is submitted after july 1st then they must comply with level four thank you councilor makense councilor matts sorry so just for clarification, that should they meet the deadline for submitting a building permit, but then in the future they wish to change over to anything else, uh, would that be allowed?

Can they change heating methods you know, five years in the future since they'd met the deadline?

If they meet the deadline.

Um through the mayor, I don't really have that answer.

I mean, I guess staff is not out there monitoring heating sources and people's homes.

Um and uh that is you know, that is a question that staff have we have, you know, that we have that has crossed our minds.

Uh and um, but we are we yeah, I mean, once a system is already in place, especially in a l a large multi-unit residential building where the units would have heat pumps and things like that, going in and switching out to a natural gas um primary heat source would be a very expensive um um thing to do.

So um I uh I I would be surprised if that would happen for a a large for a large development such as this.

Thank you, Councillor Metts.

And uh there are any other questions uh before we get into hearing from the public?

Just one question for staff for our um our traffic signal.

Does that include a crosswalk to get across?

Noting that if folks are taking the bus, then they only get it one way uh from in front of their house?

So does that include a crosswalk across where the signalized light is?

Uh mayor Tobias, the intersection will have pedestrian crossing uh signals on that and buttons to make sure that it can cross the street.

Thank you.

And we have a staff recommendation that uh we receive uh for information.

Uh can I get a move or in a seconder?

So moved.

Moved by councillor Lemon, seconded by Councillor Mattson.

All those in favor?

Any opposed?

Seeing none opposed.

I think that uh brings us down to the zoning uh bylaw with respect to zoning uh um bylaws for consideration.

Is that a staff talking point, or we just move ahead.

We can proceed now to hear comments from the public, both in the room and then on the phone and then through the chat feature.

Thank you, sir.

Um so who's brave enough to go first in the room?

There's got to be somebody.

Jane, I'll pick you.

It's challenging.

I had to cut this in half.

Um, my name is Jane Devonshire, and I live at 242 Glenale Drive in V Rural, and I'm speaking tonight on behalf of the V Rural Climate Coalition.

In 2023, V Rural Council signed on to the Fossil Fuel Nonproliferation Treaty, signed on to the class action lawsuit for Sue Big Oil, and adopted the EL4 Zero Carbon Step Code to align with Victoria and Saanich.

The town's community climate action strategy and community energy and greenhouse gas emissions plan prioritizes a low carbon approach and a reduction in GHG emissions in new buildings.

On page 48 of our CCAS, the overview says View Royal's population is growing rapidly, and every new building built to minimum code standards and using fossil fuels for heating is a lost opportunity for improved energy efficiency and reduced carbon emissions.

Plus, one more building that will have to be retrofitted down the road.

Fully electric buildings are doable and are already being built in the CRD.

The Rotunda in Victoria, Ravens Crossing in Sydney, Town Place in the Burnside Gorge neighborhood, and the future Harris Green's 25 plus story buildings.

The proponent is proposing a shared tempered water source serviced by a natural gas-fired boiler to create a baseline heat as well as a plant chiller to provide cooling.

We were told it was the most efficient way that they've come across.

After getting some professional advice on this, we countered with this: we do not believe that there is any technical reason natural gas is required for the system as described.

For example, the tempered water source could be heated with renewable energy using another heat pump, a ground source heat pump, or even just electric resistance, or each of the buildings could have separate heat pump systems, eliminating the need for the common tempered water source.

We need to be clear that the goal of the town and the community is to reduce GHGs now and to prevent new developments from increasing GHGs into the future.

At its core, this project, as previously described to us with the natural gas boiler, runs contrary to all that V Rural has been trying to achieve this past year, with our GHG reduction targets as outlined in our community climate action strategy, and demonstrated by Council's resounding support for the fossil fuel non proliferation treaty and the EL4 Zero Carbon Step Code.

The ask tonight from the V Rural Climate Coalition has to be in good conscience that Council not support this project if the use of gas is proposed or any such projects that takes us backwards in our climate goals.

Thank you for your kind attention.

Thank you, Jane.

Who's next?

Uh it is, yeah.

Thank you.

Okay.

You can move the mic up so you don't have to stoop down.

There you go.

Thank you.

My name is Charlotte, and I'm sorry, I've never done this before, so please forgive me.

I have been living at 345 Island Highway since March of 2022.

And me and many of my neighbors are on disability.

So it is the only place in the city that is affordable where we can live.

I am not at all happy with the way Burr Properties manages our buildings and treats their tenants like dirt on their shoes.

Last winter, our residents were stuck inside of their apartments for three days before they sent someone out to shovel the parking lot and driveway.

For three days we could not leave or have groceries or medications delivered.

Thank goodness that there were no emergency services needed at that time because they wouldn't have been able to enter the premises.

In March of this year, we had an unscheduled power outage.

When I contacted BC Hydro, they informed me that they had made contact with the property owners multiple times through mail, email, and phone calls to notify them of this outage.

However, they never notified any of us residents that this was going to happen.

This power outage lasted all day and not a single resident was prepared for it.

Even this meeting that's happening tonight, I wouldn't have known about had I not gone to the landlord's front door myself to see the posted paper.

I have asked my landlord and have also gone straight to Burr properties repeatedly to get my heat fixed.

Since my move in date of March 2022, I have not had heat in my apartment.

I have been expected to use my oven as my heat source for nearly two years.

Many times I am awoken in the middle of the night due to being so cold.

I had even gone out and purchased a space heater with my own money, but when I started using it, the cord got so hot due to bad electrical systems that I had to go without this heat source.

I have tried eight times, three phone calls, three emails, and two notes in my rent payments to get them to fix my heating and electrical issues.

Nobody has responded to my numerous emails, and every time they speak to me on the phone, they say that, quote, someone will get back to me shortly, but only once has someone gotten back to me, and it was this past Sunday, only after I told them that I had been pursuing legal advice and advocacy on how to proceed with this continually unresolved matter.

And even still to this day, I do not have heat.

I have never had heat, and Burr Properties has not bothered to fix my heating or electrical issues.

Between having to use the oven as my primary heat source and having such bad electrical wiring throughout my unit, I am living with an enormous concern over having more fires on the property.

Fires that could have been prevented had Burr Properties taken action the many my rent each month on time.

I keep to myself.

I don't have parties or listen to loud music, and I'm not on drugs.

Yet I ask for the absolute bare minimum, and still I do not receive it.

So why am I bringing this all up tonight?

Well, as they've stated, they claim that they will be there for us to help us when we are displaced.

But if this company can't handle the amount of tenants it currently has on this property, what makes anyone think that they can handle the number of tenants they're proposing to have?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anybody else wish to address council?

I'm surprised by these comments as you are.

First of all, I can say that the tenants on site have been notified by way of the a huge sign for the rezoning.

They have been hand delivered four times, five times now, actually, the invitations to come to our meetings, our committee meetings.

So the notion that they aren't aware, I'm sorry, that doesn't bode well for me.

I'm surprised that Bird Properties hasn't dealt with them in the reasonable fashion.

And of course, we'll be calling Burr properties tomorrow to find out what the heck.

I mean, this is not not okay.

Not for Boardwalk Creek, not for ICIC.

So I'm disappointed to hear that that she's having these results we certainly aren't going to repair the electrical and rewire the building when we're trying to demolish them but I'm not aware that she that they didn't have heat we'll be dealing with that immediately and it's cold weather there's no excuse for that uh so I want to apologize to this young lady on behalf of Boardwalk Reed we don't run the property ICIC doesn't run the property boardwalk doesn't run the property Burr properties does and we'll be having a a very stern conversation with them about how they deal with our tenants in the future.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Ward.

Can you um answer one question while you're there um and it's related.

Certainly.

If approved, when would you start construction?

Like if everything was to go well, uh what what was your date that you might start construction?

I think the date we're talking about in July is impractical to have a I mean I could certainly consult with with Rob Wetter over here from DHK, but I don't think there's any way.

I mean we have to go through the process of a development permit then we have to draw the drawings.

Those drawings take months and months to do in detail enough to get a building permit for so the notion of of applying for a building permit before July is and I wasn't pushing a date.

I was just saying when when were you planning on starting?

I'm not sure.

Well, we'll start as soon as we can, but it all these these processes take time.

So my guess is that it'll be gosh, maybe 10 months to 12 months before we before we looked at starting construction.

And I do want to point out that we have hired a tenant uh relocation coordinator who has absolutely nothing to do with Burr properties.

And the moment that we have third reading on on this application, if it's approved, he will be knocking on those doors and helping those people find new accommodation.

So we're doing all we can, but I I again I I can only apologize for Burr properties and and what I've heard tonight.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Burke.

Uh next uh member of the public.

Please.

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

My name is Susan Brown and I live at 309 Bestboro Avenue.

I wanted to speak in support of the redevelopment application and advise you or let you know that I actually really like the changes in design that have been informed by council, staff, and the public.

We did attend one of the public information sessions.

Um that was the actually only notification we got of a public information session.

Um, but we appreciated the opportunity to go and provide our input.

We in View Royal and in the CRD more broadly are in great need of more housing, and this will provide a significant number of new units.

I really hope that the rents when they finally are in place will actually be reasonable and affordable for the average renter.

We are concerned about traffic diverting down Prince Robert, Heddle, and View Royal Avenue.

These streets are very narrow, very windy.

They have no sidewalks, and they can't sustain an increase in traffic.

It's very much a safety matter.

And we did see when the Island Highway Improvement Project was going on, we saw the impact that that had on people cutting through and racing through on those narrow streets.

And one of the things I don't think is in the hands of the developers, but I'd like to encourage council, I'd love to see some transit improvements along Island Highway.

The bus service along there is infrequent.

And if we're going to support developments like that, it would be great to see enhanced transit capacity along there so that it actually is a viable option for people to take the bus rather than drive.

And that's all I guess that I would like to say tonight.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Anyone else from the public wish to address council?

Please.

There.

I'm Marilyn Dalzell and I live on Prince Robert Drive.

I was very pleased with the information I found at the last information meeting that Boardwalk and the other developers had.

And it left me feeling actually quite good about this big rental project in terms of View Royal.

This is this is a big addition of apartments that will be suitable for many different kinds of families.

And so I one of my main concerns is about the existing tenants.

And I'm very reassured that once there is a even this sort of very basic goal on the project, that work will be done right away to help people get their plan as to where their new home will be, a better home.

And and I understand that probably some social services will be brought into play on this, and proper connections will be made so that people aren't left with nowhere to me was one of the biggest issues is what about these people?

These are real people who are trying to live their lives.

Um I was really happy about uh that we weren't going to be having a lot of asphalt for parking.

Uh it's it's a terrible use of space, and uh pleased that so much of the existing uh trees are being preserved and that there's replacement for ones that are being removed.

So I I was very happy about those things.

I'm quite curious though, because I didn't know there was something called Hedel Park.

I'd love it if somebody could tell me what Heddle Park is.

I know what the Heddel chip path is that gets me to the bus.

But I'm darned if it but I am I am curious though about what kind of pedestrian traffic what or whatever that is could be on on on to whatever this HEDL park is.

And I don't know if you're allowed to answer that question right now, but that's um that's about it.

And uh oh I know I when I when I realized when I learned that boardwalk you know they're not just building but they're building uh something that they are going to run.

And that gives me a lot more confidence in how things will be built because they're gonna have to live with it afterwards.

So that's um that's it and I feel really badly about the way the current tenants are being treated.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

From the public, I would like to address counsel.

You'll be up next, sir.

Hi, I'm Susan Preshow and I live at 285 Palisar.

Um I have a different point to share and is if your decision is to go with six story, make your decision your last stance.

Your last public hearing.

As council, make a very conscious effort to assist the housing problem crisis.

Affordably affordability.

Affordability impose.

As council, make a very conscious effort to assist the housing problem crisis that we all are sharing.

Affordability is one of the key points.

And as we know, this particular development will be market price.

Market price is current price that people cannot afford.

So I ask you or I encourage you to maybe impose, you do have that ability, to take 10% of this of these units of 238 units, 23 of those units to be affordable.

And what I mean by affordable is to be under the market price.

The crisis.

Is by just making new houses.

We need to think for the people that need a place to live and can afford a place to live with one job, with two jobs, with three jobs.

So I ask you to be very conscious about your decision tonight.

And I would like to share other information, but I don't think this is the moment.

But I ask you to do that, please.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Sir, you were on your way there.

Hello, my name is Brad MacDonnell.

I live at 590 Prince Robert Drive.

I'm directly behind this buildings that are going up.

I have to say that I was very pleased in the last meeting that I went to at the town center there that the way they've situated the buildings, moved them around.

So my view won't be as broad as it was.

To me, I was pleased with that, down to two buildings rather than four.

Um, I do have a couple of concerns that are directly affecting me.

I'm not sure if everybody knows where I live exactly, but right directly behind so the back of these buildings.

Love to see a picture up here if I can.

Is there any way that we could pull that up?

Because I think that's important where I am situated.

I'm situated in the most affected person in this room, I feel.

You're you're directly behind the tree break, sir.

I am exactly behind.

Yeah, I'm 590.

I'm the first driveway going up Prince Robert Drive on your left.

I think staff are trying to bring it up now.

Yeah, I can't quite see that, but um, where the development is when you go up Prince Robert Drive off the Island Highway, first drive on your left, right behind the buildings.

My concerns are there's some wonderful big cedar trees that are there right now.

Um the town of Uroil mentioned uh a few years ago when they bought the easement there, the hydro hydro wide away, that um they're gonna put in a I guess it's called the Heddle Trail.

I'm not sure what it is.

Uh um not sure what you're calling it, or one day you might put a trail there.

So they came along and planted some cedar trees and half of them died.

They pulled them out, and the other half they don't water.

Then they came and planted some other type of shrub that never grew.

And so they're all this tall.

And I have a trail coming along my property eventually between me and this development.

But there's these wonderful hundred, 150-foot cedar trees that gonna block that are gonna going to block my view, and them looking into my property is a fishbowl, except for the first 10 or 15 feet, it's bare um trunk.

You know, there's no leaves, no branches.

And I was talking to um developer earlier on the last meeting, and they mentioned they might put up a fence on their property six feet tall.

And I'd like to see a fence to help me from them looking into my property to be eight feet, maybe even ten feet.

And he said maybe eight feet tall.

Why not?

It's the back of the property, it's going to be between their property line and this heddle trail that one day I think VL wants to put in right along my driveway.

Uh, with no barrier with these stupid little trees and these little cedars that never got watered and all died.

The VRL did nothing about.

And so I would like to see their fence to be eight to ten feet tall.

And I'd like to see hopefully these trees, these cedar trees aren't going to be cut down to do these, to do this trail.

And if they're not cut down, and there is room enough to put a bark mulch trail there, there's eight to ten feet between the property line and these tree trunks with no branches, so nobody's gonna hit their head on these branches.

Um, so again, it blocks me from looking in the backyard of people's residence and then looking in mine.

Um I have no control over this trail, I know.

I wish these cedars were 10 feet tall that they planted four or five years ago, that they never watered, they pulled half out, and they're all stunted and not living.

Um but that's another issue, I think, is this trail is another hole different other than this.

But from this development, I only wish that the fence will be taller, eight to ten feet.

And I'm really happy with the development and the way it's gone with the way they face the buildings for me.

That works out well.

Um concerned about the entry into the um parkade.

Is it off of Island Highway or is it off of Prince Robert Drive?

The uh into the parkade, into the underground of Prince Robert.

Yeah.

So there'd be a sidewalk going up, I guess, and some street lights.

The light that they're putting at the bottom of the street.

Will there be a left turning lane coming from the fire hall, for example, up to Prince Robert Drive?

There'll be an independent left turning lane.

And um there'd be a sidewalk, extra lights, um, more traffic.

Um, is there any way that there could be when tenants pull out of the underground parking that they can't turn left up Prince Robert Drive, that they have to go right?

Which to me would make more sense.

Turn right, get on the Allen Highway and head into town or end left.

Is there any reason anybody would need somebody mentioned I noticed in a letter that an email I should say that they were worried that people would be start turning left up Prince Robert Drive?

And I don't see how and why would anybody want to do that?

People start doing that.

Can we put a no left turn lane?

No left turn sign, I should say.

So they have to dump down on Island Highway.

I wouldn't want 230 cars or whatever whatever it is going up Prince Arbor Drive.

I'm sure nobody else here would do it like that either.

So I think a no left turn heading out of the parking lot out of the parkade would be uh a really great idea, along with burying me from having them looking into my property.

That's basically all I want to say.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Yeah.

Anybody else in the room would like to address counsel.

Good evening, Doug Wilson, View Royal Avenue.

I'll just cut this in half and skip all the preamble.

I just want to say one thing though about process.

Today, well, the agenda for this meeting came out last week.

No documentation whatsoever attached to it.

None of it appeared.

I wrote a letter that took me some time, and I did go through some viewroyal documentation if you fish around on the website.

And then miraculously at 1.30 or after 1.30 this afternoon, all the documentation that people should have had well in advance of this meeting showed up on the website.

So in the little time I had with the documents provided late today, I see that a number of the questions and concerns that I had had identified in a letter that I wrote earlier have been answered, at least from the proponent's point of view in the document they provided today.

It seems that the proponent's been listening carefully to council's questions and attempting to address as many as possible.

While some of the answers are quite black and white, there are others that should be reviewed by town staff, and they should report to council and the public.

Trust but verify.

This doesn't seem to be part of the entire process.

I think that my concern that the uh sort of nodding agreement on step code three that occurred at the uh November 7th meeting has been covered off.

Um I see now that it's in the the minutes of that of the November 7th meeting and also in today's proponent's presentation.

And I guess that is a step higher than what had initially been asked for, but still a bit lower than what some of the other folks were suggesting would be better tonight.

The proponent in their in their information provided uh supplied their view of how much tax will come from the development, as well as a breakdown of some of the other funds that will flow to the town and the CRD.

There's still a wide variation in the estimate of what the population of this development will be.

That's kind of a critical thing to know.

Um, so there's several estimates that have been put forward.

There's one I hadn't seen before the information today.

There was one put forward at the November 7th uh meeting that was a bit higher, and and of course, uh the mayor had suggested a different number altogether.

It would have been nice to hear about this from the town that uh some research could have been done on and from the town side to see if they could more closely determine what what we're getting into um I want to just address the only issue of consequence to me from this development and that's the poorly addressed issue of shortcutting traffic the developer was required to study and mitigate the traffic impact on island highway.

But the neighborhood level impact remains unaddressed.

I believe this should be resolved prior to rezoning, just as the traffic light required revolution resolution.

The traffic light is not some amenity.

It's a consequence.

It would otherwise be unneeded and unwanted.

So we get the traffic light in order to build the the uh the development, and that's only reasonable.

But further up Prince Robert Drive and and and through the harbor district, there's there's been little or no effort, alone little or no word about it.

There's a bit in the in the proponent's documentation today suggesting that the DCC money could be spent on traffic calming.

Council, every every meeting that I've seen since this proposal came to council.

There's been a discussion about the shortcutting.

As far as I know, staff has been mute on that.

So here's the the here's the issue.

And I noted this in my letter.

Ignoring this issue and then leaving it to be resolved probably through the current by the current residents through the traffic calming policy is the death knell for accomplishing the objective of keeping our streets quiet and safe.

The traffic calming policy leaves residents out in the cold, forced to beg for funding scraps that will someday, and this is a quote from the policy, be included as part of the five-year financial plan to be considered as budgets and other priorities follow.

Please read my letter.

Any other comments from the public.

Did I get that right?

Uh Donna Furing, Fural Avenue.

I'd just like to go on record as being opposed to this rezoning.

I think the density is too great for this little community.

And I also believe that we don't need more rentals.

I think townhouses or condos that people could purchase would be preferable.

And I'd like to support what Mr.

Wilson said about the delaying the rezoning until the issue of people rat running is my term through my neighborhood is resolved.

I don't think telling somebody not to turn left will stop them from not turning left.

It wouldn't stop me if I if the traffic was all backed up.

I think you need something more like bollards or something that definitely prevents somebody from making a left-hand turn up Prince Robert Drive.

And I also have a question.

My parents bought property on Prince Robert Drive in 1960 on the same side that would back onto this development.

And at that time they were told that there was indigenous artifacts discovered when they were excavating for the septic tank.

And so as a consequence of that, my father never developed the backyard of the property.

any um archaeological survey done or if anything is uh planned um or if there would be somebody on site to monitor when the excavation occurs thank you thank you anybody else in the room would like to address counsel on the topic tonight please my name is diane riddle and i live at 106 Burnett Road and I was hoping that you can put the um area back uh showing Burnett Road and the Olin and Highway back on the screen, please.

Just give us a second, it's not magic.

Thank you.

My concern is Burnett Road being a cutoff.

You're asking for a stoplight on the corner of the highway in the development.

So you're going to stop traffic.

You also have a blind corner.

We also have 2,000 residents across from this development.

We have other traffic in the same situation as our municipality having to build affordable living.

I have not once heard what the price of the rental per month from the developer.

I feel that I'm not against development, but I'm concerned that the middle income earners are going to be squeezed, that we can't afford to live in View Oil with tax increases on the infrastructure.

I mentioned at the last public meeting held last week that we only have one fire department.

Our fire department could not make a fire call next door to them due to an incident.

Had that been a couple more minutes, that area would have been burnt with many trees and other itch situations.

If we continue to build and we only had one fire department, this becomes a liability, and the town has municipal insurance.

My question tonight is when I was shown the map the last meeting with all the development that you had mentioned that can be developed.

We have not paid for our fire department.

We still have a loan on that.

Can we afford another fire department?

And what is the maximum that your insurance will ensure with the development that you're proposing on one fire department and not including policing as well?

Thank you.

Thanks for your question.

Anybody else like to address counsel?

Wait once twice three times.

Okay.

Let's uh go to the phone.

Is there anybody uh online or on the phone that wishes to address counsel?

Mayor Tobias, we have no callers at this time, but we do have questions in our online QA.

I'd be happy to read out.

Our first question comes from Al Nye from Gibraltar Bay Drive asking, are the residential units strictly for rent?

Do we have an extractor?

Do we have two both from the same person?

So I will read them out.

This is L Nye from Gibraltar Bay.

The question: Are there residential units strictly for rent or are there homes for purchase?

And the second question from L Nye is one second here.

Given the current volume of traffic along the Old Island Highway, what are the plans for traffic management in that area?

So those were the two questions.

And we also uh m are waiting to see if we have anyone here on the phone.

Uh we do not have any calls.

So thank you.

And can I get a motion?

Actually, we can go now to any comments from staff.

And there was a number of questions that were brought up if staff would like to address them, sir.

Thank you.

We do just now have one caller that did call in if you did want to take that.

Absolutely.

What's the last four numbers?

I see one three three nine.

Caller with the last uh four digits of one three three nine.

Can you plus press star six to unmute yourself and state your name and address, please?

Hello.

Hello.

Uh can you state your name and address and uh address counsel with your comment.

We can hear you now.

Yeah hi um this is Polly Karens and uh I live at 566 Prince Robert Drive.

And um I just wanted to um re reiterate uh some of the concerns that have been raised um by other residents of the harbor neighborhood and I thought um Doug Wilson kind of articulated the concerns um quite well that um the neighborhood level impacts um for the harbor neighborhood are uh are unresolved and uh should be resolved in advance of um undertaking the the rezoning.

And I just I also wanted to address concern around Island Highway at that point is it's a significant congestion point, and I'm not sure that the development appropriately accounts for the impacts on the congestion at that point and how it will be exacerbated.

be embarking on an OCP process and this is coming forward in advance of that process so it's um you know it it's consistent with the current zoning but at the same time I think you know there was um an interest in council taking a look at our current OCP and having an intensive um engagement process around our OCP and uh and how we envision our community and this is a significant development that's um getting ahead of that um which which is not to say that I I necessarily don't support the um this kind of a development in the area.

I'm just not sure that it's the right place given the congestion along Island Highway and the potential impacts upon our neighborhood.

Um but at the end of the day I am hoping that um the the impacts to the harbor neighborhood um are addressed in advance of any development occurring um should the development proceed.

So thank you.

Thank you very much for your comments.

Anybody else on the line, Sarah?

I three, were there others?

Mayor Tobias, we have no other callers this evening.

Thank you.

Um, I think we can move to comments from staff now.

There were a number of um I think questions um about uh specifically the traffic calming member uh or measures that are there.

I was just wondering, Ivan, if you could talk to um any options that we have right now, because um I think probably now's the time to have that discussion.

Thank you, Mayor Tobias.

Um I think based on what we've heard, there's when it comes to shortcutting traffic, there's two audiences.

One audience is the um drivers that are going to and from the development site, so the um the renters, and then the other audience is commuter traffic making shortcutting traffic.

So regarding the commuters, uh shortcutting traffic.

Um staff looked at the routes that would be taken, for example, to go to detour from Prince Robert along Prince Robert Drive to get to the Helmkin Island Humphrey intersection, as opposed to just going on the island highway to that Helmkin intersection.

And that route's about twice as long.

So I'm not to say that uh commuters won't do that, perhaps if there's some traffic congestion, and I can certainly appreciate that when the island highway construction got completed or when construction was there, there was probably road closures at that time that compel drivers to go up there, which um when the development's in place, uh the expectation is that um the road in situ would remain as uh two-way traffic, so the disruption would be less than what is seen during that construction.

Um, but given that the route is twice as long, um, the expectation of having shortcutting traffic there is less so, but that's not to say that it wouldn't be it wouldn't be um possible for them to do that for whatever reason.

And so the response that uh staff would have for that is that that is um less about the development and more about a staff monitoring from time to time to see what can be done in the area.

Uh, with respect to the other audience, so the renters and um people living in this development.

Uh there certainly could be a small fraction that could use Prince Robert Drive, um, albeit the primary route is expected to still be to the uh Prince Robert Drive island highway intersection, especially the signalized intersection, allows them to make the requisite turns quite easily than to go uh around boatway.

But like I said, it's it's not to say that they wouldn't use it.

Uh, you know, the residents there could find different ways and methods to go in and around um their homes.

Uh, in terms of options, uh, you know, council could certainly you and this was I think mentioned in the previous uh staff report that uh council could certainly look at using community amenity contributions to see what can be done in the area, uh, which is be outside of this development.

Um it would go through the whole monitoring process again and probably go through the capital project process and budget deliberations.

Uh, one thing that um I like to bring to your attention is that uh council did um uh action staff to look at reducing the speed limits in residential roads down to 30 kilometers an hour, and staff are currently researching options there.

Uh, the reason why uh that requires a little more in-depth review is because by doing that would likely um impact the traffic calming policy.

So uh it needs to be looked at with uh a little further with that in mind.

Well, that said, um, with respect to what the the town can do in the future uh as part of future capital, we can certainly look at options in around the area but uh with respect to this development um the there's very there's not as much simply because the um the impact is directly within the frontage thank you um there was a question as well i i think leanne this might be for you and that was um for affordability was any discussion uh had with the proponent and uh is there anything that we can work with to look at affordability.

Through the mayor, uh, yes, staff had those discussions with the applicant and um and it was mentioned in um the the council report um at the November 7th meeting that um the applicant um indicated to staff that it's just not financially feasible to provide um below market units as part of this development when taking into account the um amenity contributions, the $959,000 many contributions, um the construction of a signalized intersection, um cost of construction, um variety of other things.

So it just it would be financially unfeasible to um to incorporate that.

The applicant is here should they wish to um build upon what I've said.

Mr.

Ford.

Through you, mayor, to counsel and to the public.

My understanding of the municipal act is very clear that if you require us to provide a form of affordable housing, you must give us something in return.

We looked, we sought more density.

We were told no, you can't have that density.

So we reduced our density down to under the 1.6 that's required for the site.

The possibility of maybe uh some kind of uh reduction in property taxes, but but that didn't seem to be of any interest.

So the problem is that affordable housing costs the developer money, it costs the property operator money, it reduces the net operating income.

The properties are valued on net operating income.

They're financed based on net operating income.

And then when you reduce that net operating income, you reduce the ability to finance.

Can I answer any questions?

Um just one about uh what would the average apartment go?

And I know you can I'm looking for a window here, um, not an exact amount, but uh take for instance a one bedroom apartment.

I would have to defer to boardwalk for that.

Yeah, and that'd be good for uh you know to take that information in because obviously you would have had to calculate that out if you're going to say this is going to be profitable if we're not.

So just giving the council and the public some indication of the you know what you're looking at right now for a one bedroom apartment uh brunch.

Sure.

Um we're looking at uh average market rents in uh this sort of node to be right around three dollars a square foot.

So uh one bedroom apartment maybe in the 1850 to 1950 um range, and a two-bedroom might be in the 2300 to 2500 range.

Thank you very much.

Counselor Rogers.

Yeah, so um it it the uh last OCP, um there was um when we were having those discussions, we were looking at FSR two or three.

And what how many units would uh how many floors would that be on the site if um and how much would that enable or leverage the ability for affordable housing?

So you know that that's the so-off that you were referring to.

If we gave FSR three, how many affordable units could we have?

And how many people would live on the site and how many cars would exist?

Sorry, Mayor and Council.

If we were looking at increasing the FSR to say three, that would literally double from 238 units to approximately 478 units.

It would require us to build six stories, but it would require us to remove the forest in the in the back and take up that 60 percent site coverage that's allowable under the under the zoning.

So that was never that was never something we looked at it's a little late in the day to talk about that now because we're 18 months into this project i can honestly say that that the interest rate that it's costing us per day is about $3300 so calculate that in your minds over 18 months that's how much it's cost us a date while we've gone through the process to start this process over again with increased density to put affordable housing in I don't know that we would even look at the project I I don't know that we would move forward because it just cost too much money and time.

Thank you, Eva.

I was just simply looking for a context.

Yeah, for it all.

Thank you.

Mr.

Ward.

Any uh other questions of staff from counsel.

Seeing none, any comments from staff.

And further comments from the applicant.

Mr.

Ford.

Nothing.

And uh yeah.

If I might.

Yeah.

Just want to say a big thank you to uh the resident.

And if you have a minute, uh I'd just love to connect with you.

But yeah, that's that's horrific stories.

We we that never should happen ever.

So I really appreciate you letting us know because we did not know.

Yeah as as you may know we we own and operate all our properties um and we develop uh as well uh and we're super proud of of what we own and what we operate um and uh care of our residents is number one so that's just unacceptable and heartbreaking for us and we're gonna fix it and we're gonna do it right um and uh but I just want to say a big thanks to to to staff and council uh and also the community as well thank you for sharing your input it's been good getting to uh know some of you and hopefully we've be able to demonstrate that we've uh listened um and hope to be great neighbors as well.

So thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Um so can I get a motion to uh receive correspondence?

So moved.

And uh secondary moved by councillor Rogers, seconded by Council Mattson, all in favor.

Can I get a motion to terminate?

Moved by Councillor McKenzie, seconded by Councilor Matson.

All those in favor?

Any opposed?

Seeing none opposed, motion carries.

So that uh concludes the public hearing portion of this evening.

We're going to switch now to a regular council meeting.