Council Meeting

So we'll call the meeting to order and begin by recognizing the Lək̓ʷəŋən speaking people known today as the Esquimalt Nation and Songhees Nation and that their historic connections to these lands continue to this day.

And with that, oh sorry, I've got the rest of my spiel here to read.

So anyone on the Tovey Crescent DP wants to phone in from that, that'll have its own portion of the agenda where you can phone in.

Although it's going to come up very, very quickly, it's the first matter on the agenda.

And the rest, anything else that's on our agenda tonight, the public can speak to under public participation period.

And then we have a question period at the end of the agenda.

So this evening we'll hear from the public who telephone in during the public participation and question period portions of the agenda.

If you wish to provide comments by telephone, call 778-402-9227.

And when prompted, enter conference ID 628-666-090 pound.

At the appropriate time in the agenda, I will announce the last four digits of your phone number.

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And if you could give us your name and address for the record, please.

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Thank you.

And with that, if I could get a motion to approve the agenda.

So thank you.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried.

We have minutes from September, two minutes from September 6th.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried.

Thank you.

Comments, corrections?

No.

Mayor's report.

Well, I actually have quite a bit tonight, which will make up for the many meetings when I don't have any.

The first thing I noticed tonight when I walked in, of course, is the hole on the wall, which, according to protocol, is um how it should be done.

It's to be removed after the day after the state funeral.

But it's um, I don't know what I can possibly add about our Queen that hasn't been said in the last 10 days, but just to acknowledge her incredible service and lifetime of commitment to our country and as the Queen of Canada, and she'll be sorely missed.

And we wish King Charles III all the best and probably look forward to his picture being up there fairly soon.

But it's a huge loss.

The orange shirts was Councillor Mattson's idea because this will be our last meeting before Truth and Reconciliation Day on the 30th.

And so we thought for the five of us to wear them as a sign of solidarity and support for all our First Nations, but especially for our Esquimalt and Songhees Nation.

And that the town has sponsored the Songhees Nations Powwow on September 30th as well.

So I suspect we will be wearing them again there.

So thank you, Councillor Mattson, for organizing that.

Um, at our UBCM conference last week, um, Councillor Matson and Councillor Rogers both received their long term service awards from UBCM, which is a 25 year commitment to the town.

So congratulations to them.

Um, I also want to congratulate Councillor Lemmon because she brought two motions forward to council, one to do with rail and one to do with health care, which our council endorsed, and they went to UBCM, and they were both endorsed there by delegates from all over the province.

So thank you, Councillor Lemon, for bringing those forward.

I want to congratulate Damien on receiving his master's in professional communications just recently.

I want to thank our fire chief and all the firefighters for the banquet the other night.

It was great to, it was the first fire banquet that we've had since 2019.

So we were able to see everyone in person and socialize and relax a bit, which was really nice.

I want to congratulate our CAO, Kim Anema, on his wedding.

I know he's not here, but he, of course, being the dutiful CAO he is, we'll watch the recording.

And um, so I'd like to thank congratulate him on his wedding.

That was wonderful to see.

And lastly, this is our last meeting of this term, unless there's some urgent business or emergency, we won't be meeting again until after the election.

Um, it's been a difficult term, I think.

It started out badly for us.

COVID didn't help, um, but it's ended on a much more positive, better note, and I think we've we've done a lot of good work.

So I want to thank my colleagues and I want to thank staff for all their work over the last four years.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And round of applause for staff.

That is it.

So then there's no petitions and delegations, so there is public participation.

Period.

Is there anyone in the room who would like to speak to an agenda item tonight?

Do we have any callers on the line?

No.

Do we staff?

Your worship, we have no callers at this time.

Thank you.

I know you have a question, and I think you can say we it this won't be a fast meeting, and you'll be able to ask it not too far away.

Okay, so with that, we will go right to 8.1A, which is the 49 Tovey Crescent DP.

Thank you, your worship.

Jeff Chow here, can you hear me okay?

Okay.

Um, so this application is for development, very interim for the replacement of a uh detached carport with a detached garage for a single family residential property.

The property is located on Esquimalt Harbour.

And it's kind of a 1940s house, I believe, and had an an addition into it.

The proposal is to locate that requires two variances.

One is to locate an accessory building in the front yard.

The second is to vary the separation between an accessory building and a principal building from three meters to 2.7 meters actually.

So in the drawing that you see up on the screen there, the red is the existing carport that we're removed as an open structure.

The new garage would be fully enclosed.

It would be a little bit closer to the house, but also a little bit further away from the street.

The variance is to the spirit accessory building in the front yard, which is basically the space between the front of the house and the property line, front property line facing Tovey Crescent.

And the variance is for the separation of the building from the house.

The property owner is also doing a couple of other renovations at the front of the house which include adding a kind of an upper floor deck with the stairs down below as well.

But those do not require variance.

This is an illustration that shows the location of the garage as well.

And more importantly, it's a kind of a street elevation which shows what the what how the building looks from the street.

In the upper right corner, you also see some photos of the existing car.

So the main reasons to support the application are a variance would not have been required if the garage was built in the same location but was connected to the house.

In this case, the floor plant does not accommodate it because the closest connection is the washroom.

So in this case, that's why they are requesting this variance.

Secondly, there are no street skate impacts.

The new location is set back 13.7 meters in the front lot line, which is 2.7 meters closer from the than the existing carport.

So uh all in all, this this uh variance doesn't really have any uh off site impacts and can be supported.

The applicant is also here if there's any questions from the council.

The recommendation is to improve the application.

Okay, thank you, Jeff.

Is there any questions for staff?

There is the opportunity for the applicant to speak to it if you like, but I I don't sense that you need to.

And is there do we have any callers on the line staff who would like to speak to this?

Your worship, we have no callers at this time.

Yeah, thank you.

And I'm gonna presume there's no one in the room who would like to speak to it.

Okay, so there is a recommendation there.

I move staff.

Second, Councillor Mattson, seconded by Councillor Kowalewich.

All in favor, opposed.

That's carried.

Thank you, staff.

Next up, we have item B, which is the purchase of a fire truck.

Chief Hurst.

Good evening, Mayor, Council.

Uh before you uh prepare to report for the purchase, the 2023 or what will probably end up being a 2024 fire engine.

The um we put out an RFP a couple months ago for the construction and delivery of a truck, uh, and a bit of sticker shock when one bid was received back.

Uh, not surprising given the the current world market with with uh supply chain issues, labor, especially labor issues, um, US exchange, and onwards and onwards and onwards.

Um really no alternative at this point.

The truck that it's going to replace is a 1992 vehicle, which is pretty well it's it's finished.

Uh so we do have to replace it.

We're looking at about an 18 to 24 month delivery, construction bill and delivery of the truck, uh, which will put us into a 2024 payment, probably in 2024 delivery as well.

Um, we did have allocated uh just over 1.1 million approved for the purchase of the truck.

The quote came in at 1416.

Uh when we net out the taxes that we get back, uh we're looking for approval of 1.353, which is about a $280,000 increase over what was approved in 2020 and then subsequently in 2022.

Um more than happy to answer any questions you might have on the uh recommendation.

Okay, thank you, Chief.

Counselor Lemmon.

When you go shopping for a fire truck call, is it are like suits.

Are they bespoke or off the rack?

Are there already fire trucks assembled and ready to go?

It's just, you know, it's just a good thing.

Yeah, no, fair question.

There are there are some demo models that they'll take and show around the country at different trade shows.

And then there's some trucks that they they get on return and they they refurb and and sell.

But mostly they're they're a specialty item.

Okay.

They're a design build and deliver specialty truck, yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Council Matson.

Thanks.

So so Chief, can you can you just tell us what this truck does?

Like what exactly is its purpose compared to the other trucks?

It's not a ladder truck, it's not a rescue, it's a it's an actual fire engine, it's a pump.

It uh the the minimum pump capacity for View Royal requires three trucks.

We have a ladder, we have an engine, and we should have a second engine.

The engine that this one's replacing is finally expired.

We get no credit for that vehicle anymore.

So this is a a straight class one fire engine.

Thanks.

Got it.

Yes, uh, thank you.

Um I I'm sure that uh you just help me with this one.

Uh did you shop around to see about if there were any used fire trucks that uh would have met our needs?

We we are always watching for that type of uh type of stuff, as you can imagine.

Um so is everyone else in North America.

And um there's not there is not a lot of stock out there.

Um if you can find one that matches your needs, great, but that's uh that's a roll of the dice as well.

But there's there's not a lot of inventory out there that that would satisfy.

We we could buy a a truck that's a 2012, 2013, and in seven years it has to be it has to be relegated down a second line.

So we we end up you know spending uh we we might what appears to save some money, however, seven years down the road we're forking out even more to replace the truck.

This truck will have a lifespan of up to 20 years before it's relegated to a second a second due position.

So nowaday with the RFPA is it's now a fixed price.

You know, I wish I could say it was.

Um what I've heard from manufacturers is they're no longer willing to take the risk where before you get a fixed price.

Uh we've seen some instances where a truck has been ordered, the chassis is delivered six, eight, ten months later, and the chassis builder has said, well, it cost us more to deliver the truck.

We have a strategy moving forward with this vehicle to find some efficiencies to cover that.

And that's why I've asked not to exceed 1.4.

I'm pretty confident based on the discussions I've had with the vendor that we can keep this truck well under 1.4.

And if there is any slight changes, either in the US dollar, our finance department is working on a strategy for that.

And if there is a change in the in the world market where the price all of a sudden skyrockets, which they're talking new purchases next year will be another additional 10 to 15 percent, but we should be good with the locked in price, plus or minus, you know, 10,000, 20,000.

Last question.

Um, the the existing fire truck, we have any resale value?

Probably the most valuable part of that truck is the diesel fuel in the tank.

I was thinking about that when I was driving here.

There is no value.

That's there is we'll pump it out.

There's no value, there's no value in that truck.

Um, you could probably strip it down and part it out and get more.

It's a shame because the the cost of the components separately are worth more than the truck as a whole.

And because of its age in 1992, it it won't be worthwhile for any fire department.

It it could end up in a shipping container down to a third world country or offshore.

Yeah.

And all the uh and all the parts that you used over the years to keep it running.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Everybody good?

Anyone prepared to move the recommendation?

Counselor Mattson, seconded by Councillor Rogers.

And um I would just say I'm I mean I'm I'm completely supportive of it, but also how fortunate that we are that we have the casino.

Um because if we didn't have the casino and other smaller communities that don't have the casino, this would be a a real struggle to purchase.

Absolutely.

It I you can imagine when I when I opened up that binder, I was I was uh a bit surprised.

Yeah.

And you you do consider that you consider some smaller communities.

No, for sure.

Ladder ladder trucks are coming in at around two, five, two, seven up to three million dollars now for a ladder truck.

Yeah.

So it's just it's it's unbelievable.

Wow.

So good.

Okay.

All in favor, opposed.

That's carried.

Thank you.

And thanks again for uh Saturday.

It was great seeing you all.

Like I said, first time since 2019.

So that was a great opportunity to get together and thank you for your kind words.

Appreciate it and the support.

Thank you for the invitation.

And uh best of luck in the election.

Thank you.

Thanks, both.

And next up, we have the CAO update.

Although the CAO is somewhere west of Shirley, I think, at the moment.

So he probably isn't delivering it himself.

I think you're right.

I think you're right.

We wanted to give counsel at this time, the last meeting before the election, a little bit of a summary of how we spent our summer holidays, which weren't necessarily all spent as holidays, and um and also um a little bit of a view looking forward as well, because we won't be meeting um in October.

Excuse me.

So by department, uh we'll begin alphabetically admin uh over the past few months.

Quite a bit of work on the elections front, with the nomination period having recently closed.

So uh quite a bit of work goes into compilation of the package and also uh election ads, wanting to make sure the information that goes out is is accurate.

And uh so information is up on the website now, and uh so in for in for uh fun fun time with two advanced dates coming up and then the official full voting day on October 15th, 8 to 8.

And we also have our fall winter newsletter that's going out a little bit sooner than it has in prior fall winter newsletter windows because we do want to get that information about the election into people's homes sooner than later.

As well, people will be receiving if they haven't yet already information mailed to them as well about that, so they have a little bit more information coming their way about the election specifically.

There was information in the news in the summer about the CRD acquiring four parcels of land from the town, and they will be putting that with Mill Hill Regional Park and their holdings there.

Better equipped agency to handle that type of land, and they will be keeping that as park land for residents both of View Royal and the larger community to use.

I know council's interested in seeing something on Helmkin Road, and her advice is that to get something done this fall is too cold, and those people who who are good are booked.

So we have talked to her about getting that set up to do spring summer work when school isn't in session, so it's safer to do on that busy stretch right by the school.

And we do have now secured from ICF permission to put up a mural there.

So that's kind of exciting news, and we're working working on that front.

And you'll see the display.

I hope it's still up there now, even though the months have been quiet over the summer for our archives volunteers.

They have put together the uh commodities and conveniences, half a century in View Royal showing um items from 1900 to 1950.

So that should be out in the display case.

In finance, pleased report through some good follow-through work with people that there has been no tax sale yet again this year in the town of Uroyal.

So that is great news, which is awesome.

We also are working on in finance, a multi factor authentication project, which is something we have discussed with council in the past, and it is tied to more and more insurance requirements.

And you're hearing more and more about horrible, horrible things if people get into your systems, and we're trying to thwart that every way we can.

Moving into development services, we have been working to fill that role as the director of development services in the month of August, and we'll have more on that in the coming weeks, we hope.

And also Clean BC Better Home Renovation Rebate Program for the Heat Pump.

We've renewed again.

There's $7,200 remaining of that program funding that was set up.

So hope more people take advantage of that opportunity.

As well, we have been working with the CRD on the UBCM Community Emergency Preparedness Fund, where there has been a grant provided for extreme heat vulnerability mapping dashboard.

And that's to show indicators to develop a heat vulnerability mapping index, helping us better understand locations and of populations and buildings that we should be prioritizing when planning to address our future extreme heat events that we can all be expecting, unfortunately.

And in engineering, it's been quite busy.

We did get kudos for the parrot feather removal program that happened a while ago, but we're very pleased with that.

And it is a challenging weed to remove, so that was great.

And we continue to share our learnings and our experience on that front.

The tree planting program launched, so that is great news.

And as well on the hiring front, working to secure a development public works technologist for that.

And still work to complete in this room, but a considerable amount of time has been spent in this room this past summer gearing up for post-election where there will be seven people sitting at the desk.

So that is great.

Swing set replacement, View Royal Park, and other park improvements that are happening are Centennial and Portage Parks, the enclosures that go around the port potty units has happened.

And in protective services, emergency calls and general calls for service have gone up in the past six months.

And the chief is working with other chiefs in the area to develop a program to see the sharing of volunteers trying to also actively recruit qualified applicants in the region to ensure that we have adequate night staffing.

And as well, we have been awarded a 30,000 UBCM grant dealing again also with the extreme heat risk assessment.

And so that will tie in nicely with the CRD work as well.

So I may or may not be able to answer questions, but there are people attending this meeting, both virtually and in the room that can hopefully answer any questions you may have.

Thank you, sir.

Any questions?

I'm good.

Yeah, thank you.

Councillor Rogers.

Well, another question, but I'm I'm really impressed with uh the amount of work that's uh that's been done of the last uh report from CA report, and uh particularly with the um um you know the portable toilets that are going into the two parks now.

You know, having that in our three major parts is I think a really good amenity for the playgrounds associated.

So thank you very much for doing that.

I I concur on the toilets.

I mean, it's kind of funny in in the different Facebook groups.

People have been saying, what are those new buildings going in the parks?

You know, what are they?

But why is happening?

And I've I've sat on a couple of them.

It's quarter potties and the mums immediately are chiming in.

Thank you, thank you.

Oh, we can't believe it, finally.

And so they've definitely created some excitement in the community.

Um one uh thing please keep in mind when we talk about multi factor authentication that you know the mayor, for example, spends a good chunk of his day answering emails on his phone, right?

Which I do, which is one of the reasons why I reply very quickly when staff email me and that sort of thing.

So if I have to jump through hoops and answer 14 different questions to get into my email, that could possibly not be so wonderful for me.

We are aware of challenges and are looking for ways to make it as simple as possible, and so it may not be a regular every time you do it, but I believe it's a good idea.

Don, did you have something to say about that?

Yes, of course, it very briefly.

She will know.

Once a device has been authenticated successfully, it will be a trusted device that you will not need to authenticate in through for a period of time, uh possibly 60 to 90 days.

So so you might be asked to do it, you know, four, six times a year, something like that.

Okay.

Well that that sounds not too onerous.

Thank you.

Well, not four times a day.

Well, you need to change your password every time and yeah, exactly.

And then you have to remember what your, you know, the third digit of your laptop.

Yeah.

If I may go ahead.

Any other questions, comments?

So I I don't know if uh Don or whoever, uh, is it uh the two factor, would it be like a biometrics, uh a fingerprint, thumbprint?

All we're looking for at this point is really if you have a mobile device, you can authenticate either through an authentication app where you just basically uh yeah, you'll use your fingerprint to make sure that that uh you are who you say you are, and then it'll automatically authenticate through to your uh to the other uh login that you're trying to uh access.

Does that mean we'll all need telephones then with fingerprint access?

No.

You can use you can use any phone or any mobile device, you could use your iPad or the uh the new uh device that we're coming out with yeah uh thank you um again another quick congratulations for the um uh preparedness on particularly with um uh the heat mapping and those risks I heard uh on TV today that uh the CRD is implementing a tsunami um app and if um um just quickly on the radio but it's um if that's the case I I would hope that um staff would look into it and and put some link on the website so uh people can make the best use of it and get on the same page.

Yeah, there was a press release about that today.

I I didn't read it too closely, but there's something sent out by the CRD today.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Okay, Councillor Lemon.

I I just want to say how delighted I am to um here and know that we're going to have a uh reenvisioned um overpass um along Helmkin.

So that is great.

And hopefully it'll be discouraging of those who think they're more artistic than our artists.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Good.

Thanks, sir.

So just a motion to receive.

Councillor Mattson, seconded by Councillor Rogers.

All in favor.

Opposed, that's carried.

So then we're gonna go all the way down to um.

So for the public at home, question period will be coming up very quickly.

So if you have a question, your opportunity to call into the number on the screen.

And it can be a question about anything, it doesn't have to be an agenda item.

So next up we have third reading of bylaw number 1105.

I'll move third.

Thank you.

And second moved by Councillor Matson, seconded by Councillor Rogers.

Everybody's good.

Other than saying it's for short-term rentals regulations.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried.

And then we have adoption of the sanitary sanitary sewer rates bylaw.

So move second.

Moved by Councillor Lemon, seconded by Councillor Kowalowicz.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried.

And then we are to question period.

So come on up.

Do you have to change this or can you hear me?

You can you can bend it down a little if you like.

Okay.

Um hi, I'm Kathy Blanchard from 290 Island Highway, which is Lyons Cove Strata VIS 4593.

Thank you, your worship, and counselors, for giving your attention to um Mike questions.

How is it possible that the November 2021 development permit application report Online for 298 Island Highway, which is now 258 Helmkin, was approved, stating that terracing also ensures no overlooking, privacy nor overshadowing will occur between the proposal and Lions Cove, which is also well set back from the common property line and has a significant existing tree buffer separating the two buildings, and that they would provide an arborist report with recommendations to mitigate construction impacts on trees located on adjacent properties, and measures to enhance privacy include stepping the building back from six stories to three, two-meter tall lattice screening of the communal rooftop deck, and proposed cedar hedge on the Lions Cove property to supplement the deciduous tree buffer as per figure four.

Yet a tree permit application for removal of Lyons Cove bylaw protected 20 to 30 year old trees was submitted last Friday, and their property has been thoroughly grubbed to the property line with no protective tree fencing in place.

Is there not a requirement to perform according to the approved DP application and protect Lyons Cove trees as per the tree bylaw?

And can the developer claim Lyons Cove trees are boundary trees when they aren't, merely to take advantage of a clause in the tree bylaw?

So I know the staff have sent you emails during the day, which I believe answers some of those, but I'll I'm gonna let staff answer that if Ivan can as you're as you're able.

Ivan, the young director of engineering.

Thank you, worship.

Thank you, Kathy.

Um, yeah, I did send some uh responses back.

Happy to answer questions as well here.

Uh specifically with respect to those trees, at this point, yes, they are currently protected under the tree bylaw.

Uh, also when the billing permit application came in uh with the ARPR support staff was also um we also noticed the change in that the building methodology would have required some encroachments uh not only within uh town property but also in the neighbor's property.

So immediately what staff did was a notify developer to say um if they should they continue down this path with this building methodology, they need to provide a written agreement with all neighbors with respect to that encroachment, stating that the neighbors have agreed to that.

So that has to do with um it includes the trees that have um, as you noted, are on landscope property, they are considered boundary trees.

Although uh in my response, um, I note that the uh definition is rather broad because in the tree bylaw, the definition of a boundary tree is any part of a tree that goes over the property line.

So if it's fully over, it's still part of that definition.

So at this time, um, while it is a protected tree at this time, uh staff has notified a developer that should they continue along this path, that they have written consent or written agreement with the neighbor, in this case Lance Cove, that they're allowed to do this.

My understanding is that it either has or is on its way.

However, I have not gotten a written document in my hand just yet that is signed.

But that's where we're at at this time.

Should the agreement be uh presented to staff and is considered uh it is a bona fide agreement, then staff does have the ability to approve the tree permit.

We staff would implement the bylaw in full in the sense that they would provide a security of some sort uh for ensuring that replacement trees are done.

Um, also though there has to be an insurance that replacement trees will be done, and also we'll be making sure that the arborist project arborists is on site to ensure that any other protected trees they are indeed protected to the satisfaction of autonomy royal and the arborist.

Thank you for that response.

Yeah, go ahead.

So I understand if Lions Code gives permission, this can happen, but what if they don't give permission?

What happens?

They already did.

They did they did.

I think we probably don't want to go there.

Okay, right?

Yeah.

Um Councilor Rogers.

Well, we'll say that it wasn't so um in the in this situation with such a large complex as uh lions cove um i and one side particularly being uh impacted by this uh the west side not the north the south or east um is there any way that um staff could focus in and determine that those residents with the greatest impact uh were also um um in agreement with their removal.

Well we it the town can't interfere in the strata decisions, Councillor Rogers.

I know and so uh i presume we can ensure that there is screening as promised.

Right with the developer when it comes to an agreement on screening outside of the requirements of the development curve, such as this case right now.

It is a we consider it a private property matter, and the town generally does not get involved in that.

But I think we could request it as council that um I mean I know I know that, but I think we could with the developer say that if those those trees are coming out, that they do need to plant um some sort of screening and hedging there, which I'm going to do.

May I respond to that?

That is part of the agreement that they is a part of the agreement, yeah.

But they're planting 2.75 meter trees.

So and that comes to the very tip of them will come to the ground floor of the first floor.

Right.

Right.

So we're losing, you know, what 40-foot trees to have have them replaced with what 12-foot trees.

Yeah.

So it's just very, very disappointing.

And um I don't believe they're boundary trees.

I believe they want to remove the trees to expedite the um method by which they want to do their retaining wall.

So um, but if it's up to the director of engineering who has been on site, and I'm sure he am I correct?

You've determined that they are boundary trees.

That's yeah, I I don't want to get into a debate situation.

I think Ivan has given his position and um yeah, and that is so I I agree it's sad for sure.

Beyond that, what we can do.

If I if I may.

I I just uh uh staff, we're going to assure that the um uh the trees, the two for one trees will be planted there in in the same location and they're gonna be of the same species as the trees removed.

That was all in the email that Ivan did send.

I just wanted to be sure that yeah, just through your worship, uh specifically with respect to the two to one tree replacement, they are uh supposed to do a two to one tree replacement.

Uh at the time of the development permit, it was deemed that I couldn't put it on the site, so they either have to do a cash remove to the satisfaction director of engineering or fine elsewhere to put these trees.

Uh, with respect to the um the agreements that the strata has had with the developer, I don't know the particulars about it, the number of trees there.

Um, however, I should council wish um you know staff can certainly uh look into it.

They listed 16 trees, but in a verbal conversation, they said they could probably only plant eight.

So it it's fine.

I just needed to speak my piece.

I do not believe they're boundary trees, but I appreciate you listening to the five.

Fair enough.

Thanks, Kathy.

Okay, and do we have any callers on the line staff for question period?

Your worship, we have no callers at this time.

Okay, thank you.

Okay.

And so with that, we need a motion to go in camera, please, Director Jones.

Thank you, Your Worship.

There is a need to have a meeting closed to the public and persons other than the immediate members of council, officers and employees of the town, and those identified under section 91 subsection two of the community charter shall be excluded on the basis of section 90 subsection one a appointment.

Okay, I'm moved by Councillor Rogers, seconded by Councillor Lemmon.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried.