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Special Council

Tuesday, February 7, 2023
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Meeting Overview

This Regular Council meeting addressed primarily the highly debated Draft Official Community Plan (OCP) Update Restart Plan. Following extensive public feedback opposing the restart and urging further community engagement, Council voted to refer the OCP discussion to a future Committee of the Whole meeting. Council also endorsed the 'Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty Initiative' based on a recommendation from the Parks, Recreation and Environment Advisory Committee, and referred a resident request for flashing speed sensor signs on Burnside Road West to staff. Note: The provided transcript largely covers a separate Special Council Meeting (Financial Orientation) held immediately prior to this Regular Meeting.

Key Decisions

  • The staff report on Council convention attendance was received.
  • The discussion on the OCP was deferred to a future Committee of the Whole meeting.
  • The Active Transportation Network Plan update was tabled until the February Committee of the Whole meeting.
  • Updating the Parks and Trails map was deferred for discussion during the 2023 budget process.
  • Council endorsed the Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty Initiative.
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Transcript

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Sid Tobias0:00

Good evening and uh welcome to the special council meeting for Tuesday, February 7th.

Sid Tobias0:05

Um though we're open for some periods for uh public comments, this first special meeting is advanced of the normal council meeting.

Sid Tobias0:16

Um and this council meeting is uh concerned primarily with a briefing uh for our financial planning orientation.

Sid Tobias0:26

So I'd like to call the meeting to order.

Sid Tobias0:30

Um and uh if you uh are calling in by phone and want to ask a question during the question period or participate in the public participation period, uh the phone number is 778 402 9227 and use conference ID number uh 495 798 803#.

Sid Tobias0:57

You may provide written comments, which many of you have done already.

Sid Tobias1:01

And if you have any questions at a call, you can contact the administration.

Sid Tobias1:06

I'm going to forego the territorial acknowledgement only because we have a very special person coming, um, Chief Thomas of the Esquimalt Nation for our second meeting to provide us with a territorial acknowledgement.

Sid Tobias1:21

Um, the public participation portions are limited to 30 minutes unless council degrees to extend.

Sid Tobias1:29

And um if you're wanting to call in and make contact on the phone at the appropriate time in the agenda, uh, I will indicate it and uh announce the last four digits of your phone number.

Sid Tobias1:40

Ask you to mute the live webcast to avoid feedback, ask you to not use speaker phone to ensure sound quality, and ask you to unmute yourself by pressing star six.

Sid Tobias1:55

To begin, please indicate your name and address for the record.

Sid Tobias1:59

Speakers will have five minutes each during the public participation period and two minutes if you're asking a question.

Sid Tobias2:07

During the question period, you will be timed.

Sid Tobias2:09

And if you're speaking in the room, you will see lights flashing of green is good, yellow is uh getting close to the time, and red means you're over time.

Sid Tobias2:20

Um, with that, can I get a motion to approve the agenda for the uh special meeting?

Sid Tobias2:27

Some of John.

Damon Christenson2:29

All in favor.

Damon Christenson2:29

Motion carries, unopposed.

Damon Christenson2:33

Uh and public participation period.

Damon Christenson2:38

If somebody wishes just for the special meeting, there'll be opportunity for the council meeting following at seven o'clock.

Damon Christenson2:45

But if anybody wanted either on phone or in the room to address council on the items, which is financial planning orientation, you are most welcome to.

Damon Christenson2:59

Anybody in the room?

Damon Christenson3:03

Anybody online?

Damon Christenson3:05

Mayor Tobias, we have no callers at this time.

Damon Christenson3:09

I thought we would be in competition with the last season of The Last of Us, so maybe they'll dial in at seven.

Damon Christenson3:14

So reports.

Damon Christenson3:14

We do have a staff report.

Damon Christenson3:22

Don, uh, thank you for taking the time to do this financial planning orientation.

Damon Christenson3:28

There are several new members of council, including myself.

Damon Christenson3:32

So thank you very much.

Damon Christenson3:33

And the floor is yours.

Damon Christenson3:38

Thank you very much.

Damon Christenson3:40

Mayor Tobias and members of council.

Damon Christenson3:42

It is a pleasure to be here this evening.

Damon Christenson3:45

Uh this evening is uh the start of our official budget season, although staff have been working on budget for months, literally.

Damon Christenson3:54

So the purpose of this evening is to really just orient council to the package itself.

Damon Christenson4:02

Some of you um are newer than others, and it uh for those of you who are not new, it still has been a year or so since we've been through this, so it's always a good to do a little bit of a of a refresher.

Damon Christenson4:15

I am gonna go through rather quickly as we have uh TikTok happening at seven.

Damon Christenson4:21

I'm gonna the time is gonna be moving by, and so I want to make sure that um we are uh as as complete as possible through this uh before seven o'clock.

Damon Christenson4:31

Um the thing that before I get started, uh I just want to make sure that we all are on the same page and understanding that tonight we are not actually talking about the budget itself, we're talking about the material, how it's organized, what we mean by specific terms, just so that we all have a basic understanding and know how to get ourselves through the budget package, how to find what we're looking for and the things that we're most interested in.

Damon Christenson4:58

That's what we're talking about tonight.

Damon Christenson5:00

Next week we're talking about the budget.

Damon Christenson5:03

All right?

Damon Christenson5:04

Fair enough.

Damon Christenson5:06

So legislation.

Damon Christenson5:08

The provincial legislation community charter does indicate that we as a municipality must have a financial plan, must be adopted annually by bylaw.

Damon Christenson5:22

It must be adopted annually by bylaw before the tax rates bylaw because the one leads to the other.

Damon Christenson5:27

It must cover five years.

Damon Christenson5:29

It must be balanced.

Damon Christenson5:30

If any actual expenditures in this in the ensuing year where expenses exceed revenues, which would result in a deficit, that deficit must be covered by the next year financial plan.

Sid Tobias5:46

Okay.

Sid Tobias6:01

And especially in the context of financial the financial the financial realm so when I looked it up and and wanted to get some words I found this definition a couple of definitions but the one that kind of resonated with me was meeting the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs so this means that we're gonna have to look beyond the current year in fact we're gonna have to look past the current electoral term we're gonna have to think a little bit longer term and we're going to try to match our our our our financial sustainability will rely on us being able to match the underlying nature of the sources of funding with the expenses that they are meant to fund, and we're gonna talk about that.

Damon Christenson6:50

So provincial legislation requires again a balanced budget, means that's just math, right?

Sid Tobias6:56

Revenues equals expenditures, expenditures equal revenue.

Sid Tobias6:59

But financial sustainability is going to require structural balance.

Sid Tobias7:05

And what we mean by that is that recurring revenues are equal to recurring expenses or expenditures.

Sid Tobias7:14

We're going to talk about that.

Sid Tobias7:17

So what what do what kind of revenues are recurring?

Sid Tobias7:21

So I've listed several of them here, and you know, we can get through the first ones fairly easily and say, oh, those are clearly recurring revenues.

Sid Tobias7:30

Taxes, property taxes, nothing is more sure than death and taxes every year, right?

Sid Tobias7:35

User fees, sale of services, penalties, these are the kinds of things that are in our budget every year to one extent or another.

Sid Tobias7:43

Building permit fees and development permit fees, those are in our budget.

Sid Tobias7:47

Except stop and think for just a minute in a given year where there is a very large development project that results in big contributions from developers for DCCs or community amenity contributions or those types of things.

Sid Tobias8:02

And that large development doesn't come along every year.

Sid Tobias8:07

What do we do about those?

Sid Tobias8:09

So that is I would consider not recurring revenue.

Sid Tobias8:13

We need to treat those things differently to enhance our financial sustainability, if we understand that principle.

Sid Tobias8:20

Grants, some are recurring, some are not.

Sid Tobias8:23

Investment income, well, how predictable or reliable might investment income be in some of the latest times, right?

Sid Tobias8:32

Casino revenue, do you consider that recurring or non recurring?

Sid Tobias8:37

It was not so much recurring a couple of years ago, was it, when the casino shut down.

Sid Tobias8:43

To what extent can we rely on casino revenue?

Sid Tobias8:47

That is a question.

Sid Tobias8:49

And to the extent that we're able to answer that question, we will enhance our financial sustainability.

Sid Tobias8:54

What about surplus?

Sid Tobias8:56

Surplus being the definitive definition of surplus being revenues exceed expenses in any given fiscal period.

Sid Tobias9:04

That's a surplus.

Sid Tobias9:06

Is that recurring?

Sid Tobias9:07

Well, technically it shouldn't be if we have always have a balanced budget, and if things turn out exactly as we predicted they would, it wouldn't be recurring.

Sid Tobias9:14

But when it does happen, I would argue it is not recurring.

Sid Tobias9:19

If we sell assets, not recurring, right?

Sid Tobias9:23

Because that is not the business that we're in.

Sid Tobias9:27

What about expenses?

Sid Tobias9:28

What kind of expenses are recurring that we're going to match and fund with our recurring revenues?

Sid Tobias9:33

Certainly labor or ongoing contracts, you know, waste management contract, all of those different things that we contract out for.

Sid Tobias9:42

Some professional services, utilities, supplies, right?

Sid Tobias9:46

All of those things are things that are recurring and indeed somewhat predictable.

Sid Tobias9:52

Insurance and legal costs, are those predictable?

Damon Christenson9:55

Are they recurring?

Damon Christenson9:57

Some of them may be.

Sid Tobias9:58

Some of them may not be, right?

Speaker_1410:01

And for that purpose, we do have a small contingency that will help smooth out some of those unpredictable spikes.

Speaker_1410:11

Debt service, I would argue, is recurring for the term of the debt at least, right?

Speaker_1410:17

But it is a term, it's a turn, you know, that it's there's a term to that.

Speaker_1410:22

It it starts or stops depending on the on the agreements and arrangements.

Speaker_1410:27

When we change levels of service, okay, so we have a level of service that says it's going to cost about this much, and it might go up from year to year.

Speaker_1410:37

But if we say no, we want to start mowing our parks three times a week instead of two times a week or whatever it is, all of a sudden we have a spike, and then after that it's going to be recurring because it's going to continue as long as that level of service is supported.

Speaker_1410:53

So we have to think about how predictable these expenses are and whether they occur regularly or just occasionally, one time, infrequently.

Speaker_1411:09

Okay, so really some principles that we can get from this is that if an expense is recurring, we should fund it from recurring revenue.

Speaker_1411:19

This is going to support financial sustainability.

Speaker_1411:23

If an expense is a one-time thing or is infrequent, it's okay to fund it from non-recurring revenue.

Speaker_1411:32

Windfalls, so excess money that we weren't expecting, maybe from sale of assets or the province giving us money that we weren't expecting.

Speaker_1411:42

Really, those should be set aside for a rainy day as a non recurring revenue that we can't ever count on that happening again.

Speaker_1412:00

When we receive non-recurring revenue, is we put it aside into a savings account.

Speaker_1412:05

I'm sure you do this already with your with your household expenses, right?

Speaker_1412:10

When you know there's a big spike in expenses coming up in the future, you you know that it's coming, it's unavoidable, you're going to start putting some money aside.

Sid Tobias12:20

We have several different reserves, different categories of reserves, reserves for different purposes.

Sid Tobias12:26

And depending on where the non-recurring revenue is coming from, we will put it into an appropriate reserve accordingly.

Damon Christenson12:35

So, for example, contributions from developers are going to go to either a statutory reserve or a multi-purpose reserve, like the community amenity contribution, a community amenity, a contribution from developer.

Damon Christenson12:52

If we sell assets, um legislation requires that we set that money aside and so on.

Damon Christenson13:01

And we're going to get into you know looking at some of those reserves more closely, especially as we progress through the budget process.

Damon Christenson13:11

So, what happens when we use surplus to reduce taxes?

Damon Christenson13:15

I hope you'll forgive me going through a rather elementary and simple example to try to demonstrate on a very small scale the principle of what happens on a bigger scale.

Damon Christenson13:29

So, in my little example here, we're going to have a cost of service that's going to be a thousand dollars.

Damon Christenson13:34

This is year one of this municipality.

Damon Christenson13:38

Of course, we have no surplus at this point in time, so we're going to have to charge a thousand dollars worth of taxes to cover those that the cost of that service.

Damon Christenson13:44

It's a balanced budget, so we're going to project a zero surplus, a zero deficit.

Damon Christenson13:52

Okay, and what actually happens that year, we find that we overestimated just a little bit.

Damon Christenson13:59

The cost of the services was actually only $900.

Damon Christenson14:02

We had charged $1,000 for taxes.

Damon Christenson14:05

That resulted in a surplus of $100.

Damon Christenson14:08

So far, so good, right?

Damon Christenson14:11

Year two, we're going to budget.

Damon Christenson14:16

And in year two, we find that there's just a little bit of inflation.

Damon Christenson14:21

So inflation was 2%.

Damon Christenson14:23

We're our we expect our cost to be $1,020, but instead of putting taxes up that year, what we're going to do is we're going to reduce the taxes by the amount of surplus that we had last year.

Sid Tobias14:36

So instead of charging $1,020, we're going to charge $920 for taxes.

Damon Christenson14:43

So we are planning to have a deficit.

Damon Christenson14:47

That is what funding from surplus does.

Damon Christenson14:52

It means that we are planning to have a deficit.

Damon Christenson15:01

So what we're going to presume in this example that we accurately predicted what the costs were going to be.

Damon Christenson15:09

We got $920 in taxes, and we actually got a deficit of $100.

Damon Christenson15:15

And that deficit then depletes the surplus from the prior year.

Damon Christenson15:21

So you're going to hear terms like surplus.

Damon Christenson15:23

You're going to hear accumulated surplus.

Damon Christenson15:26

And accumulated surplus is just the addition of all of the surpluses that have been collected over time.

Damon Christenson15:40

We used it to reduce taxes in year two.

Damon Christenson15:44

So now our accumulated surplus is zero.

Damon Christenson15:47

That's okay.

Damon Christenson15:49

Taxpayers got a break, and everybody's happy.

Damon Christenson15:52

Well, they are happy, I would argue, until year three.

Damon Christenson15:57

When we experienced an inflation of 2% again, so now our same service is going to cost $1,040.

Damon Christenson16:05

We have no surplus to reduce the taxes, so we're going to have to put taxes up to $1,040 so that we have a balanced budget, a surplus of zero.

Damon Christenson16:17

We're going to pretend that that's exactly what happened in real life, according to our budget, exactly the same.

Damon Christenson16:25

And from the taxpayer point of view, who paid $1,000 in year one, and got an 8% decrease in year two.

Damon Christenson16:36

Are they going to remember that 8% decrease in year three when it's a 13% increase?

Damon Christenson16:42

I suspect not.

Damon Christenson16:45

So what we're seeing is that the experience of the taxpayer is not the same as the experience of the actual costs.

Sid Tobias16:58

So costs were increasing that whole time over three years, but the taxpayer didn't see it because we used the surplus from one year to reduce taxes in the other.

Damon Christenson17:10

Okay.

Damon Christenson17:11

So that was my that's my little example of what happens when we uh use surplus to uh supplement taxes.

Damon Christenson17:21

It is done.

Damon Christenson17:22

I I have I'll I'll be quite frank, it is done, and we will be talking about this.

Damon Christenson17:27

Okay, next week.

Damon Christenson17:29

Stay tuned.

Damon Christenson17:32

So, what do you have in front of you?

Damon Christenson17:34

A great big package, 238 pages of a lot of work from staff.

Damon Christenson17:39

Staff look at our, they start with our current levels of service.

Damon Christenson17:44

And I see I've got 10 minutes left.

Damon Christenson17:46

I'm gonna have to whiz right through this.

Damon Christenson17:49

So they take into they start with what are we doing now and how much is it gonna cost?

Damon Christenson17:55

They look at all of the strategic plans, the uh master plans, and they develop the budget in front of you today.

Damon Christenson18:03

Next week, we're going to be spending a lot of time with that booklet in front of you.

Damon Christenson18:09

And all of this is so that on before May 15, we have a budget adopted and a tax rates adopted.

Damon Christenson18:17

That is legislated, it's not optional.

Damon Christenson18:19

So that is why when we progress through, we need to get this done.

Damon Christenson18:23

This is not a well, we'll get it done sometime.

Damon Christenson18:25

We need to get this done.

Damon Christenson18:27

So next week, when we go through the proje through the budget workshops, we're going to be taking the time to answer your questions.

Damon Christenson18:35

Where there are questions we can't answer, we will make note of them and try to get back to you as quick as we can.

Damon Christenson18:41

If you do email any one of the directors or the CAO or corporate officer, we're going to make sure we share that information with all of you.

Damon Christenson18:50

So don't be surprised if your email gets shared with everybody.

Damon Christenson18:54

What we're looking for is clear direction.

Damon Christenson18:56

We need decisions so that we can build it into the document and into eventually what turns into a bylaw.

Damon Christenson19:06

So perhaps in the interest of time, I'm not gonna go through each and every section.

Damon Christenson19:15

But what you need to understand about the consolidated financial plan, and you're gonna see tabs on your documents on your booklet.

Damon Christenson19:24

And so right now I'm talking about the tab that's the kind of the top, the first one, the green tab.

Damon Christenson19:30

The consolidated financial plan is built from everything else that follows, being core, which funds our core services that are just those a lot of those recurring services that we talked about, our non core operational costs of capital, which is exactly what it sounds like.

Damon Christenson19:51

When you make a decision about capital, there are future costs to those.

Damon Christenson19:56

And we do our best to signal to council that the future is not free.

Damon Christenson20:01

You buy a new park, it's going to need some maintenance, inspection, mowing, whatever the case may be, right?

Damon Christenson20:08

So we we try to inform you of that.

Damon Christenson20:11

And then there's a section on reserves that can fund both non core and capital, and in some cases operating as well.

Damon Christenson20:22

I did skip over the introductory section on in the book.

Damon Christenson20:28

My key message about that introductory section is that you understand that this is a starting point.

Damon Christenson20:37

This is not this document is is going to be out completely irrelevant after next week because we're going to change all kinds of stuff in it, right?

Damon Christenson20:47

So please keep that in mind as you go through that section.

Damon Christenson20:51

There is a calendar in there that highlights, and the calendar is on our website as well, highlights what's going to happen as we as we approach the consolidated financial plan, all of the subsequent schedules add up to that one plan.

Damon Christenson21:12

So the consolidated financial plan you'll see in Schedule 1.1 is a one-pager.

Damon Christenson21:17

Very simple.

Damon Christenson21:18

When you want to dig down into the details, you turn the page to the next schedule, which is the operating plan, revenues and expenses, and the capital plan.

Sid Tobias21:28

If you did the math on those plans, they would add up to the consolidated financial plan.

Sid Tobias21:35

When we get to, I'm just trying to get here we go.

Damon Christenson21:39

When we get to the non-core projects, so that's the orange tab in your booklet, you will see two schedules.

Damon Christenson21:47

One, the first one lists all of the projects by functional division.

Damon Christenson21:54

We've added a new category of priority on the left-hand column, which is in progress.

Damon Christenson22:01

And that what you should take away from that designation is that it these are things that are already started.

Damon Christenson22:09

There may be, in fact, there will be implications if you wish to cancel any of those projects.

Damon Christenson22:16

Otherwise, the other projects are designated with a priority, kind of as you see there.

Damon Christenson22:23

The second schedule, schedule 2.2 for non core projects, is the same listing of projects, but instead of putting the dollars across time, it tells you how those projects are funded.

Sid Tobias22:38

So there's a different page.

Sid Tobias22:40

Each page is for a different year, or the years are listed in order, so that you can understand where the funding is coming from for those projects.

Damon Christenson22:50

Schedule three, that's the blue tab, is laid out exactly the same way.

Damon Christenson22:57

So that you've got your listing of projects, and then Schedule 3.2 is how those projects are funded.

Damon Christenson23:04

Schedule 3.3 is those operational costs of capital.

Damon Christenson23:08

For those projects that have implications for the future operations, those are in Schedule 3.3.

Damon Christenson23:17

Now you'll find that your booklet has two orange tabs and two blue tabs, and that will guide you to when you're looking for project summaries relating to the projects that are non-core.

Damon Christenson23:32

The non-core listing is in the orange tab.

Damon Christenson23:35

The project summaries that detail everything you needed to know about those non-core projects.

Damon Christenson23:41

Follow this second orange tab, and that's going to take you to the N section of the project summaries.

Damon Christenson23:48

You'll see in both of those non-core and capital projects listing, there are cross-reference numbers, not coincidentally.

Damon Christenson23:56

The non-core projects start with an N, the capital projects start with a C.

Damon Christenson24:01

Those project summaries are numerically ordered in the latter last half of the booklet.

Damon Christenson24:11

The red tab is where you'll find the projected reserve balances.

Damon Christenson24:16

What you'll see in this schedule is a listing of all of our reserves, what we expect to have contributed to those reserves, and if we got those contributions, we could use them in the for these in these timing, and those relate directly to the schedules that you've just looked at in non core and capital, and indeed in the in the in the rest of the budget as well.

Damon Christenson24:42

And then projects what the closing balances of those reserves would be if everything was approved as you see it in the budget right now.

Damon Christenson24:53

The schedule five, that's the yellow tab in your booklet, is a greater detail of what you saw in the previous schedules.

Damon Christenson25:03

What I want to point out a couple of things in that schedule is that for the year 2023, you will see more columns than you do for any of the other years.

Damon Christenson25:15

What you will see is a column for the core revenue and expense for and a percent change relating to that.

Damon Christenson25:23

You will see the non-core in a separate column, the operational cost of capital in a separate column, and then the total budget for that year with a change from the prior budget year.

Damon Christenson25:33

Okay.

Damon Christenson25:34

So perfect.

Damon Christenson25:36

I'm just about done.

Damon Christenson25:39

So what I would say is is caution you is just be careful about percentages.

Sid Tobias25:44

You know that percentages on a big number look a lot differently than the same amount of change on a small number.

Sid Tobias25:50

So just keep that in mind when you're looking at percentages.

Sid Tobias25:54

When we look at the project summary I do encourage you to at least look at the executive summary so that you have a good understanding of the project itself, why we're doing it, what are the risks to it to the project or to not doing the project, where the funding is coming from, when it's going when it's planned to happen and how much it's going to cost and what some of the benefits are.

Sid Tobias26:19

So all of that detail is in is is provided for you for each one of the projects.

Sid Tobias26:28

That was as quick as I could go through it.

Damon Christenson26:31

I apologize if I seemed rushed, but we certainly can take time to answer more questions next week when we start the budget sessions.

Sid Tobias26:39

Absolutely, Don.

Damon Christenson26:40

Thank you for the enormous amount of work that obviously went uh into this, both for you and your staff.

Sid Tobias26:46

This is uh incredibly easy to understand and really well laid out because you're meticulous to detail, and I know what I'm doing this weekend.

Sid Tobias26:55

Thank you for that.

Sid Tobias26:56

Yes.

Sid Tobias26:57

Um, can I get a motion to receive the um uh director of finance uh report titled Financial Planning?

Sid Tobias27:05

Uh seconder.

Sid Tobias27:07

Uh Councillor Brown, all in favor.

Sid Tobias27:10

Any opposed?

Sid Tobias27:11

Motion carries.

Sid Tobias27:12

Uh I think that brings us down to question period.

Sid Tobias27:16

Any questions from the audience?

Sid Tobias27:18

Any questions online?

Sid Tobias27:22

Mayor Mayor Tobias, we have no callers at this time.

Sid Tobias27:26

Thank you, Carl.

Sid Tobias27:28

Can I get a motion to terminate?

Sid Tobias27:31

Seconder.

Sid Tobias27:33

Councillor Kowalewich and uh all in favor.

Sid Tobias27:37

None opposed.

Sid Tobias27:38

Uh motion carries.

Sid Tobias27:39

So we're going to take a brief recess in place until we get set up for our next meeting, which is the normal council meeting that starts at seven o'clock.