Council Meeting

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Good evening, everyone.

There's four of us here in council table chambers with staff, and counselor Rogers is attending remotely.

I'd like to start the meeting by acknowledging our friends and neighbors, the Esquimalt Nation and the Songhees Nation.

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Thank you.

And I just want to make sure.

So on the the Erskine Lane, um seven Erskine Lane for people who are watching for that one.

There is a small portion right within that matter on the agenda where you can call in and speak to us.

And it'll follow on after the staff report and after comments from the applicant.

But for any other matters on the agenda, the time to call in is under public participation, which will come quite quickly once we approve the agenda and the minutes.

It'll be almost right away.

So if you are calling in now, would be the time to do so.

So with that, if I can get a motion to approve the agenda, please.

So moved.

Moved by councillor Mattson, seconded by Councillor Lemon.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried, and then a motion to adopt April 20th.

Second.

Minutes.

Moved by Councillor Mattson.

Seconded by Councillor Kualowicz.

Any comments, corrections?

No, we're all good.

All in favor?

Opposed.

That's carried.

And I don't have a mayor's report.

There's no petitions and delegations.

So this is public participation period.

Are there any callers on the line staff?

Uh your worship, we do have one caller with the last four digits.

Five, four, nine, three.

Okay, thank you.

So caller with the last four digits, five four, nine, three.

This is your opportunity to speak to us if you would like.

Last four digits five four nine three.

If you're there, don't forget to press star six to unmute yourself.

Okay, well, I think we'll move on and we can always circle back if if you like.

Is there any other callers on the line, Stuff?

Not at this time, your worship.

Okay, and no one on the chat feature.

That's correct.

Give me your screech.

There's nobody on the chat feature this season.

Thank you.

Thank you, Steph.

So we'll move right on to 8.1A, which is the 2020 Consolidated Financial Statements.

Are we getting a presentation on that or uh welcome?

Getting a silent presentation.

I think sorry about that, your worship.

I tried to get unmuted and uh share the presentation all at the same time.

So uh thank you for your patience with that.

Um, so yes, we do have the consolidated financial statements, uh, something that we bring to you each and every year about this time.

Um, and on the line as well, we have with us our council appointed auditor, Corey Vanderhorst, who will also be tagged on to my presentation to give his auditor's report.

So I'll go first and then we'll turn it over to Corey and we'll make sure that we allow time for questions as well.

Okay.

Okay, so in keeping with the community charter, staff have prepared consolidated financial statements in accordance with public sector accounting standards.

These statements, of course, were then audited by MNP, our council appointed audit firm.

Legislation requires that the financial statements be publicly presented to council for its review and approval.

Once council has accepted the financial statements, the auditor's report will be included with the document, submitted to the ministry, and posted on View Royale's website.

So I uh I'm going to provide you with a brief overview of the financial statements, as after which Corey Vanderhorst, the auditor, will of course present his report.

So the financial statements are comprised of a set of statements, notes to the statements, and accompanying schedules.

And together all of these comprise our financial statements document.

And we'll briefly review each of these.

It is important to understand the role of each of the participants in the financial statement reporting process.

These roles are outlined at the beginning of the statements and very briefly.

Management has responsibility for preparing the statements in accordance with the accounting standards.

The auditor provides independent examination of the statements and evaluates systems of internal controls and then expresses an opinion on whether the financial statements fairly represent the actual position, financial position of the town.

Mayor and council has a role as well.

Mayor and council is responsible for the oversight of management and also have the opportunity to meet with the auditor to discuss any matters of concern.

So, first off, statement A, you might think of that as the balance sheet, presents a snapshot in time at December 31st, 2020, and it has prior year comparatives as well.

Non-financial assets, physical assets like buildings, roads, sewer pipes, pump stations, they're shown separately to better highlight the municipality's financial position.

The change in accumulated surplus is further explained by the statements, notes, and schedules that follow.

So I know a lot of the numbers and figures on your slide probably aren't large enough to read, but all of this information is available on the agenda as well that you could open or separately or look at afterwards.

So financial assets are those items representing future economic benefits that are owned by or owed to View Royal.

So an increase of nearly $4.5 million in 2020, from $26 million to nearly $30 million is on our financial assets.

Financial liabilities, which are items representing future economic benefits that are owed to outside entities, increased $300,000 in 2020.

The net financial assets then is the difference between the financial assets and the liabilities.

These increase $3.4 million from 10.3 to $13.7 million in 2020.

These key numbers are used to determine measures of sustainability.

And that's what's meant to be portrayed by the charts on the left side of the presentation.

Measures of sustainability are the degree to which a government can maintain its existing financial obligations without increasing the debt or tax burden relative to the economy.

In other words, can we pay our bills as they come due without having to borrow or raise taxes inordinately?

The financial assets to liabilities ratio in 2020 is 1.78.

And what this means is that for every dollar we owe, we have $1.78 of assets to cover.

So that's a that's a positive ratio.

That's a good thing.

In 2018, it was 1.6.

The accumulated surplus at 145 million is a big number, but what does it mean and how did we get there?

We're going to explain that the follow in by looking at some of the following statements, especially note 10.

The consolidated consolidated statement of operations, also known you might think of as the income statement, describes the revenue, expense, and resulting annual surplus or deficit for 2020.

In 2020's case, it is a surplus, with 2019 amounts for comparison.

You will see the same accumulated surplus number as you did on statement A.

So those things are tied together.

And statement B explains the difference or change in that accumulated surplus number between the prior year and the current year.

View Royal's revenue is consolidated with West Shore Parks and Recreation and includes the value of asset contributions from developers and DCCs or development cost charges used to fund projects.

Revenue is up in 2020 by $2.4 million compared to 2019, primarily due to the BC Safe Restart Grant funds and the transition of the CRD sewer tax to user fees.

So previously the sewer tax wasn't reported on our income statement as that was a flow through right to the CRD, whereas now, as a user fee, it is on our revenue.

Additionally, we applied about $800,000 worth of development cost charges to projects in 2020.

And we also earned more in investment income than was anticipated in the budget.

Expenses shown against budget and the prior year.

Again, it includes the expenses for West Shore Parks and Recreation.

Expenses are higher in 2020 compared to 2019, but they are within budget.

And they are the one explanation for the increase would be, of course, those costs associated with COVID related expenses that were not reimbursed by emergency management BC.

The annual surplus or deficit is the difference between revenue and expense in the current year, totaling to about $2.5 million.

And we will see in the notes the breakdown of this number further.

The budgeted deficit represents the net value of reserves, including casino reserve, that we plan to use in 2020 to pay for operational things like the requisition for West Shore Parks and Recreation, grants and aid, and debt interest.

Further details are provided in Note 18 on that.

Statement C takes a closer look at the change in net financial assets to better understand what happened in 2020.

We start with a surplus from statement B, which is $2.5 million, and remove all of the items that affect equity like capital assets and amortization.

These are tangible, not financial assets.

We're looking at financial assets with this statement.

The net result is that financial assets increased $3.4 million so that the total went from 10.3 million point seven.

This number includes the changes in year-end balances for all operating surpluses and reserves from all funds as well as for West Shore Parks and Recreation.

The consolidated statement of cash flow, of course, looks at the change in cash and investments for the period and how the town financed its activities.

The town's cash position is influenced by various things like changes in receivables, payables, deferred revenue, and other balance sheet items.

Statement D accounts for these and other changes and also eliminates any non cash items to explain the cash position difference from 2019 to 2020.

Regular operations account for about $7 million of the change in cash.

$2.4 million was spent on capital acquisitions as well.

We received a total of $106,000 by selling a couple of assets.

And $306,000 was spent on reducing debt.

This results in an increase of cash or cash equivalents of nearly $4.5 million.

These funds are held in an interest bearing bank account or in municipal finance authority investments.

Don't forget that the total of $30 million does include all reserve funds and accounts or deposits, including refundable deposits, and unspent development cost charges.

It includes everything that we hold in cash.

If you read nothing else, read the notes because they really do tell the story of the financial statements.

Especially you'll see you will be looking at note 10 describing the accumulated surplus.

Notes provide context, explanations of how certain things are accounted for, and further breakdowns of the higher level numbers that are on the preceding statements.

So here's note 10.

This note is something that I refer to often actually, quite throughout the year, just to refresh myself on it all the time.

It is the total difference in all surpluses and reserves that explains the 2020 surplus of 2.5 million.

So you'll see at the bottom there, if you take the 142 million, almost 143 million, and the difference between that and the 145 million in 2020 is that 2.5 number that we saw right at the beginning as the diff as the surplus?

The equity in so starting at the top, equity and tangible capital assets.

This change from one year to the other is influenced by the acquisition or disposal of assets.

And when we record amortization and when we pay off debt or when we incur new debt, you can see that that number really hasn't changed much.

That's not indication that we didn't do anything.

It just means that our generally speaking, our acquisition of assets is fairly close to the amortization that we record every year in 2020 that we recorded in 2020.

The casino revenue, the next line down, increased by 1.1 million, primarily with the boost from the BC Safe Restart grant.

The Community Works Fund Reserve increased about a half a million, as about a million dollars in projects that were that were budgeted to use these funds did not proceed in 2020, again influenced in part by the COVID restrictions.

The next line is an important one because this is the unrestricted accumulated surplus.

It increased about $322,000.

So you should think of this one as the amount by which we came in under our balanced budget target of zero.

We are legislated to have balanced budgets, which means we don't plan for a surplus.

And this was how close we came to zero.

It would have been a lot closer.

In fact, I think it would have been really close to around 100,000 had it not been for unanticipated earnings on investments.

So out of a $17 million budget, this is a very small amount of difference from zero that was planned by the budget.

The rest of the reserves on this note describe the ending balances of all of the other reserves, which in total increased by about 866,000.

The most significant one here is the police operations reserve, police operation and maintenance reserve, which in part reflects the extent to which planned personnel increases for RCMP were not fulfilled in 2020.

In case you're wondering, development cost charges don't factor into this note because they are deferred revenue.

They're not statutory reserves or they're not reserves or surplus.

And they are disclosed in a separate account, and they would be recorded as revenue when they are used for the designated projects.

You would go to note six to get more information about that.

So the consolidated schedules of segment disclosure by service are very much like the income statement or statement B, statement of operations.

However, the main differences in how the expenses are described.

So while statement B shows the expenses according to the function that it will be familiar to you, general government, protective services, transportation, and so on.

Schedules one and two show the same information but broken down differently in the revenue and expense categories for each service.

So they show the expense categories, for example, in terms of labor, goods, and debt, and budget information is provided for both years as well.

So I know you I know this is too small for you to read the numbers, but it just shows that the the services are across the top and the revenue and expenses down the side broken down by service.

Schedule one is for 2020, and schedule two represents the same information but for 2019.

The consolidated schedule of tangible capital assets or schedule three really just provides additional details about tangible capital assets.

It breaks it down by the type of capital assets and also identifies the cost, historical cost, what the asset cost is at the at when it was purchased, as well as the amortization and then the netbook value, which it would be the cost minus the amortization.

So, what is the proportion of our netbook value to historical cost?

This is something that we do look at because it tells us to what extent our assets are amortized.

In 2020, we had 182 million in historical cost of assets, 50 million in amortization, and resulting in 132 million of netbook value of tangible capital assets, which is about $700,000 less than last year.

So the netbook value represents 72% of historical cost.

So you can think of that as assets are about 28% amortized, which is 2% more than last year.

And it somewhat relates to the extent that assets are being replaced as they age.

I just have a couple of more ratios to describe for you.

In 2020, 1.33% of revenue was required for debt payments.

That's pretty low, lower than 2019, not necessarily because debt charges have changed, because they haven't, but because revenue is more in 2020 than in 2019.

It's still an indicator of very low debt, which results in future flexibility.

Own source revenue to taxes is higher in 2020, primarily because of the transition of the CRD sewer tax to user fees.

You could think of this as for every dollar of taxation, View Royal earned 56 cents in non-tax revenue in 2020.

Finally, we look at the extent that View Royal is dependent on government transfers.

This ratio looks at government transfers as a proportion of total revenue and is something that we watch as is it is an expression of our reliance on these transfers.

It is unchanged from the prior year.

Council.

Councillor Manson?

I'm just looking at the last table and the uh the vulner vulnerability ratios from 2017.

Anyway, there's they're quite they were considerably lower the last couple years.

I just wanted to know why the increase.

My first response to that uh through your worship would be that casino revenue has increased over those years.

So I'm I'm still missing the link there from point one four to 2.22.

How does so casino revenue is accounted for as a government transfer because we do get it from BC Lottery Corporation?

So uh you know this ratio reflects basically the amount of our of money we get from the government compared to to total revenue.

So how much of our how much of our revenue comes from government transfers?

So if the casino revenue increases, then a greater proportion of our total revenue will come from government transfers.

So it's really just that ratio of government transfers to total revenue, and that has been increasing in part because casino revenue is going to increase.

governments that would be included in this ratio as well.

Just to follow up then it's not going to look nearly as good next year.

I would suspect you're right.

Although the 2.6 million BC safe restart grant would be factored into this as well.

Was that that was in 2020 though, right?

That that will be in actually that will be a part of this as well.

Yeah.

Okay.

That was my other question just in terms of the impact of uh for next year just my general question is the what do we have to do or what are our concerns in terms of the loss of casino revenue for this year?

In terms of the impact on the uh three worship certainly the loss of casino revenue effectively uh was mitigated by the BC safe restart grant right I mean we we normally get um two million dollars a year in casino revenue the BC Safe Restart grant was two point six million it's it's unknown yet uh at what point the casino will be up and uh up and running and then even when they are what the level of revenue we will get from then I mean that there's a lot of unknowns about that.

Um so a little bit hard to predict a question, you worship.

I can't.

Uh for some reason it looks like Council Chambers is muted again.

Yeah, we are not hearing you.

I can retract.

There we go.

We're hearing you now.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Can you hear me now?

Yes, thank you.

Go ahead, Councillor Lemmon.

Yeah, yeah, and just a summary question, um, Don, and that is um it it it's fair to say then that despite the kicking that we've taken from you know the loss of casino revenues um partway through last year and and some loss of government um tax revenue that we counted on, we're not in bad shape right now.

You know, thank you for that question through your worship.

Um I would wholeheartedly agree.

You know, I I I I think that uh other than the investment revenue um that we were not expecting, if had it not been for that, our surplus would have been close to, you know, on a but from a budgeted basis, close to that hundred thousand dollar mark, which I think is really quite remarkable.

Um, you know, considering the kind of year that 2020 was.

Um I we did I think we fared better in part um, you know, because we we certain we just didn't have any revenue other than casino revenue that was directly impacted by COVID, like like other municipalities that have recreation centers that had to shut down, right?

So yes, we have had to support West Shore Parks and Recreation to a larger extent because of that same impact to them.

But uh, you know, just we we have fared, I I would I would agree remarkably well considering the kind of year that 2020 was.

Okay, thank you.

Counselor Rogers.

Yes, thank you.

Uh Dawn on on um sorry, I'm just trying to find the page here.

Uh page 10, and this is uh not of your notes, but of the um um report, uh there's deferred revenue uh that column and um or the notes, and it's talked about deferred revenue other.

So last year it was two thousand in 2019, it was uh 600,000, and uh this year or 2020 it was 1 million.

Where does the deferred revenue other come from?

Uh through your worship, and thank you for that question.

Um I know one of the things that is would be in there is uh let's say building permit revenue to the extent that the project related to that revenue was uncompleted at December 31st.

So there's there's several different items.

Um, and any time we collect revenue that is is associated with a specific activity, and that activity was not completed at December 31st it will be deferred to the year in which that activity gets completed likely 2021.

Okay thank you uh my if I may your worship uh the question is uh on number uh seven below that long term debt uh I just want to be uh sure on this that uh the the maturity of um issue of 117 2026 that's you know that's the fact that we've paid off that debt right in in twenty twenty six that debt should be fully um matured and retired.

Okay, great.

And um so I'm just trying to go to schedule one.

Sorry, I'm gonna flip through here.

Uh there was on on page sixteen, uh there was also a column uh and this is the uh note eighteen the financial plan, transfers to revenues.

Uh so uh it the transfers to revenues, that's what how much we transferred in uh twenty twenty.

Uh through your worship.

Uh Councillor Rogers, do you mean the transfer to reserves?

Oh sorry, yes, transfers to reserves.

Yes, indeed.

That would be uh uh you know, budgeted transfers or transfers that may have occurred um according to our policy otherwise um uh from in 2020.

That would be I'm sorry, in the financial plan, that would be the budgeted transfers to reserves.

And uh those transfers are from uh the taxes that we collect from our residents and businesses so is is that right is that came from taxable for that year prime primarily yes okay and so below that is transfers to surplus and is that the um 2.5 million from the province um most of that would be comprised of transfers of casino revenue to the casino reserve ah I see okay thank you and uh my last question your Borship on uh schedule one uh where it talked about um and I'm on page 20 um the difference between 2020 and twenty nineteen was um you know the the surplus um i'm sorry the page keeps jumping around on me surplus and are a deficit the bottom line so um and i'm trying to understand that one um s again is that reflective of uh the monies that had been um given to us from the province the 2.5 million uh the the short answer council rogers is absolutely yes that would have influenced that a lot definitely thank you those are my questions your worship okay thank you.

Everybody's good.

Thank you don't so I think we can go on to the auditor.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Thanks, Don uh hello, everyone.

Thank you for um taking the time to listen to my part of the presentation.

Uh Don did a great job going through the numbers.

I'll talk a little bit about the audit.

Um so moving to the next slide, please.

Um happy to report again in our in our second year of working with the town, another clean audit opinion.

So unqualified opinion.

That's auditor's speak for for everything looks good.

Um so you'll see in the uh draft audit report in that opinion paragraph that we are satisfied that uh the financial statements present fairly in all material respects the financial position of the town at the end of uh December and the operations for the year.

The uh next slide, uh again, the the last few things that we have is mayor and council approval of the financial statements here tonight.

Uh, legal inquiries are complete.

We had the last legal letter in um yesterday, I believe.

Uh, I'm still waiting for the auditor of West Shore Parks and Recreation to sign off on their side.

Um, that's the final step before I can give you an audit report.

So um I I reached out to them this morning.

I expect I can hand off the audit report tomorrow.

So, our responsibilities um and Don had a uh a great slide early on uh breaking out management versus the auditor versus council.

So when we're doing the audit, we're looking at the financial statements.

They are your financial statements, management prepares them, council is responsible for them.

Um we first look at the controls in place in the town, make sure that you're comfortable that you're getting accurate reporting of the financial results.

So we're looking at how the controls are designed and implemented.

We are not necessarily testing effectiveness on a control-by-control basis, but we're comfortable that they're designed appropriately and they are actually implemented and working the way they're designed.

So then we sample transactions throughout the year to form our audit opinion.

We don't look at every transaction that happens throughout the year.

There are far too many transactions for us to look at everything.

So to that end, we use a materiality figure.

So we're using materiality for 2020 of $750,000.

That's roughly 4% of your annual revenue.

That is uh an industry standard percentage to use.

Um, this means that we're looking at all transactions over $750,000.

Mostly those come through in some of the large grants in the casino funding from the prior years, um, any large capital, and then underneath that $750,000 threshold, we are sampling transactions uh in the various account balances that the Don went through.

If there's anything that we discovered that that didn't uh line up with any of the documents we're looking at, or something that's unusual, I couldn't give you a clean audit opinion if either individually or added together if it was over $750,000.

So that is again a threshold that if I was coming to you and saying it wasn't a clean audit opinion, that would mean there's a something in the statements that's larger than $750,000.

Nothing to bring to your attention this year.

We have no significant unadjusted items to bring to your attention.

No limitations placed on the performance of our audit.

We didn't find any irregularities, anything unusual.

So we're not specifically fraud investigators, but if something came to our attention, I would be required to report it back to council.

So I have no news in that regard.

Other items, there is no formal internal auditor function at the town.

Therefore, we didn't place any reliance on that function.

And we are required to look at the annual report when it's prepared by staff to make sure that your financial statements get appropriately reproduced in the annual report.

So that is one of our final steps.

That of course happens after the audit report has been issued.

Again, thank you to management and staff at the town hall.

They make the audit look very smoothly.

They're very prepared, happy to answer questions, provide documents.

And I think this might be the last slide or close to the last slide.

So from January 1st, 2020, the start of the fiscal period, to today's date, May 4th.

We are independent.

We didn't do any other projects for the town that would impair our ability to give you an independent audit opinion.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

I'll just see if there's any questions for you.

Is there any questions for the auditor?

Councilman Maxson?

Thank you for uh your report.

Uh so m my question is: do we from your perspective?

Uh how's the town doing financially?

And is do we have anything that we should be concerned with coming up?

Thank you, counselor.

Uh I d I think Don's presentation was was a good summary.

Uh a few of those key indicators um that that we look at um the um financial assets to liabilities ratio, um, which I believe is about one point six or one point eight if I'm remembering that slide.

Um uh a healthy number there to have funds set aside in reserves and and in referred revenues for the future.

Um we always like to see that one above the magic number of one point oh.

You know, if you dip below that number, you are taxing or raising user fees and rates in the future to pay for the past.

So um having that number in a healthy position.

The other one that we uh look at closely, and it was toward the end of of uh on the presentation was that um capital capital tangible capital asset ratio and looking at the rough aging of the assets and then then in the 70s that you're you're in um that is also a fairly strong indicator some of the communities that we work with apologies if there's uh some cutting out on the feed um some of the communities that that we work with that the that number is getting smaller and smaller the aging of the assets um it is something to always keep an eye on uh in terms of the infrastructure uh and your ability to um provide that same uh level of quality of life for the residents.

Um, you know when when water sewer buildings and things are failing, it it's uh it can be quite expensive.

So staying on top of those costs is important.

Okay, thank you.

Councillor Rogers, do you have any questions for the auditor himself?

No, thank you.

It's very good.

My compliments to staff, too.

So thank you very much for your work, and thank you, Don, to you and your staff for the work because that represents uh a big chunk of work for the year, I'm sure.

It takes a whole team, thank you, Rosh.

No, I'm sure.

And so we just need a motion to approve the financial statements.

Moved by councillor Mattson.

Seconded by Councillor Lemon.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried.

Councillor Mattson.

Yeah, and I just wanted to uh thank staff for all their hard work and the presentation made yeah, a very good presentation, made it uh as easy to understand as possible.

Thank you.

Yeah, no, for sure.

Good.

Thank you.

And we're gonna move on to item B, which is the development permit for seven Erskine Lane.

So for people who may be watching on the live feed that want to speak to this, there's gonna be a staff presentation, and then I believe the applicant is gonna make some comments, although possibly not, and then we'll be at comments from the public.

So just watch for that and you can call in.

Okay, staff.

Thank you, your worship.

This is uh Jeff Chow, Senior Planner.

I'm trying to share my screen.

And looks like it's up.

So this is a development permit for uh Seven Erskine Lane to build an apartment building, and some bylaw variances are requested.

Uh this parcel, um very slow transition.

This parcel uh was a boat yard for over 50 years and an abattoir for nine years before that.

Uh so there has been a bit of uh soil contamination, but uh provincial site profile release has been issued to allow this development permit, and soil permit 2020 oh one has been approved to allow removal of some contaminated soil in the uh southeast corner of the property some of which have since migrated onto an adjacent property as well the property was rezoned to permit multifamily in 2020 at that time there was a covenant register to secure uh some road dedication some road improvements and community amenity contributions the proposal is for a 71 unit condominium uh building that would be uh in two four story sections with a uh six-story section in between where they overlap.

These are some views of the project from different vantage points.

At the committee of the whole um meeting in March, some uh additional renderings were requested to show what it looked like from the highway and from the hospital.

Materials are primarily hardy plank type siding with Sarah clad ceramic cladding as well to in in the gray.

There would also be some wood wood tone hardy plank to provide a warmer, warmer tone as well.

But primarily the building would be uh white with gray and some uh wood type uh features.

This is the uh site plan so um that shows the landscape as well uh so the site is built into a hill and that's why that's why the building was built in different sections uh erskine lane is the low part of the site and it slopes up to the right and kind of uh cuts into an existing hill um the extent of um of underground parking is is on the right hand side of the screen here i don't know if you can see my mouse uh but uh this landscape plan shows that um the a number of the trees on the hill are proposed to be retained there are three along the edge uh facing sort of the the hospital uh side.

Five additional trees would be proposed along the building um between the building and the property line.

Three vine maples and two trees, of which I'm not sure what they will be, but the landscape architect will finalize that in the detailed design.

The other thing to note here is at the committee of the whole meeting, there was some concern about a uh a part of the building where the underground parking uh was exposed from the gray from grade, and the applicant has revised the landscape plan so that the the walkway or the fire exit along the uh along the wall is separated and a uh kind of a well-planted garden bed is there to screen to screen that wall and uh discourage uh tagging.

Uh stormwater management will be managed on site to uh by a number of swales that would run into some underground park uh underground uh tanks at the uh entrance uh parkade and entrance uh parking lot here.

Uh some other changes following coming to the whole comments.

Additional windows were added at the at the upper level facing Erskine Lane, and that breaks up some large uh blank walls that were facing that direction.

And same with the um underground parking entrance where the there's a secondary entrance to the building.

Uh additional door and windows were built, were installed at the uh where there's a bicycle room to break up that that uh that large blank wall there and that door will provide a better access for uh for cyclists and the windows will provide some natural light into that storage room main considerations are how the application addresses the development permitary guidelines meets the zoning requirement and um how the town servicing requirements will be met some variants are requested for the zoning and servicing and we'll cover those in that those parts of the report.

Generally, the proposal complies with the development permitary guidelines in terms of uh for quite a large building that holds 71 units.

They step the building up with a slope.

The footprint is articulated, so it's not a large rectangle.

The roof lines are varied with raised sections and lower sections and canopy and balcony projections kind of help help kind of help from looking like a boxy, boxy development.

The exterior cladding also has a variety of colors and also different textures that kind of provide some color blocking that again that mitigates the impact of the size of the building.

Materials are high quality and durable.

There are some good outdoor gathering areas in the at the parquet level, the roofs of the parquade that's well landscaped with extensive plantings and outdoor gathering areas, so seating and some a covered kind of a pergola type space.

And the lighting will be dark skies friendly.

The proposal meets the density and use requirements of the zone.

And the only there are a couple aspects where it doesn't comply, and we'll go through those variances.

First one is building height.

but uh uh the variance would permit the ore plate to be smaller and uh and in this case uh it's the other reason is because of the way height is measured it's measured from average grade and when you're on a slope the uh the grade is quite low and you're measuring to the uh to the highest point of the building so in this case uh between a combination of things these the sloping grade um and the context of the uh of the local area um this height range is not considered uh significant because it still reads like a four-story building it's just that it's broken up uh steps up a hill.

In terms of setbacks, um the building is kind of a square type structure and uh because the property line is not quite the shape of the lot is not square uh there are some minor variances to the uh to the rear property line uh in this case there's a decorative wall extrusion and this this is kind of an architectural feature that carries through from the um from the base of the building up to the roof to provide kind of a kind of canopy and same with at the front of the front of the property there's an entry wall it's just one story that provides uh a sheltered uh cover and where the uh the the street entrance of the building is and also there's a a balcony support that kind of uh is it was within within the setback area but those setbacks are fairly minor they're uh they're just over uh two feet other projections again the central roof canopy projects into the required setback by just a little bit and same with the rear balconies and sunlight controls uh and they are um a little bit wider than what the what the zone permits but given the size of the building and context it's it's not significant um height of a fence on top of the retaining wall a 4.3 meter fence is proposed where 2.0 meters is required and that's because again, because this uh this is to provide uh access to the upper levels, it's a fire kind of a fire exit from the from the rear of the railroad building um and this is the wall that kind of um against the side of the hill where it's the entrance to the parkade.

Uh in this case, it can be supported because um uh because that retaining wall that fence is is necessary to keep people from falling over the the edges if they need to escape the building, and the wall itself is screened with some landscaping to uh so the it's the size of that wall is it's not really noticeable from the street.

In terms of servicing, um we've covered stormwater management.

Um we don't usually talk about variances to servicing, but in this case, uh, when the property was being rezoned, uh there was some talk about there's a lot of talk about on street parking.

And the solution to that was to construct a parking island in the turnaround area.

So by widening the turnaround area, you can incorporate more parking spaces within this within this parking bulb.

That's not really something that's shown in our bylaw standard for this type of road.

So it is a variance.

But that will continue to staff will continue to work with that, particularly as the uh the next project uh at Ninerskin Lane continues through the development permit process as well.

Uh so this is perfect timing in terms of uh redesigning how this street is going to work.

But the idea of just variance is to permit flexibility to allow a uh allow bike lanes where typically in this type of road section it would be a shared travel lane where where bikes just ride in in the lane along with traffic.

So the recommendation is to approve the development permit with all the variances that we've discussed.

And that concludes the presentation.

Uh if there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

And the applicant is present as well.

Questions for staff.

Thank you, Jeff.

Councillor Rogers, I'll go to you because I know you'll have some.

Sure.

Thank you very much, Jeff.

I just want to get a clarification on the um uh the height of the wall and and the variance um from two to four point three.

So there's the wall, but the actual fence that's on top of the wall, how tall is that fence?

Uh it this is uh Kevin Kleppenstein from VDA architecture uh representing the client.

That will be a guard height fence.

So it's only a 1.1 meters high.

Yeah.

Okay.

That that's very good.

Good.

All right.

Um and I don't know if it's going to be staff or the applicant that one answer wants to answer this.

Um I'm very pleased to see a protective uh natural area.

Uh what's the uh the the maintenance or an assurance that that will remain as a uh protected natural area and and will there be uh uh uh a commitment to remove constantly remove invasive species?

Uh is there a covenant?

Can we get more information on that?

Staff uh through you, your worship.

Uh that's um in this case it's it's not truly a native area.

I think it's previously disturbed land, but there is some vegetation on it.

Uh it's not common for us to require um uh a covenant for this type of space because it's not an environmentally sensitive area.

It is, but it is a kind of a historic natural feature that the applicant has worked hard to um to preserve.

So it's just like any other landscaping on the property, there there would be some maintenance required if there are you know bylaw concerns about uncamped premises, then then uh then you know staff could certainly um investigate that as on slightly premises.

But as a whole, strata corporations tend to be fairly responsible because they are professionally managed, especially when you have a large uh when you have a large strata corporation if it's professionally managed then then there is a good standard of landscape care.

Okay thank you and um again if we can stay on that page there uh slide five that you have um I note that um the applicant in in some portions of the report um stated that there would probably be about uh well the maple and and I think four fir trees are um you know there's possible retention but that they're all really going to be dependent upon um the site cleanup of uh contaminated materials and so forth.

Um if that's the case and and um yeah I staff I'm referring to uh the illustration that I sent to you um uh this morning and I hope the applicant has had a copy of it as well uh that's really going to eradicate um all the trees on the north side and uh it's going to look dramatically different um than um than what we see now and so what's the plans then uh if those trees uh do go of um replanting significant trees on the north side of um of the development uh Jeff I I'll answer that if you want but you might need to point to where the trees are um we are there's there's the those three trees are the trees that are that are possibly will need to be removed um and uh our intention is to keep them and a lot of that comes down to the removal of the contaminated soils.

But that said we there are we are already including five new trees along that two are readily available readily apparent there but there's also three trees that are a little bit harder to see that are in that landscaping area that are vine maples that are going in.

So we're already putting five trees into that area.

If any of those three trees need to be removed um we have to by the bylaws, we have to replace two trees.

We put back two for every one we take out.

So that if it let's say all three come out, that's a total of six trees, which may even be with that other five is a total of 11 trees potentially in that area.

We might not put all 11 in that area, but we would be committed, we would be it would be no issue for us to make sure that the north property line has some uh higher vegetation and trees in addition if those trees three trees come out in addition to the other five that were already putting in there.

Okay, all right, thank you.

And my last question, your worship.

Um, again on the illustration when I was looking from the hospital side, um I I'm reminded of the uh large or tall stack boulder um wall that's on on lot two.

And um maybe African, you can help me on this.

When uh the excavation happens to remove the contaminated soils, do you anticipate having to um rearrange if you like or dig down deep into those those stack boulders?

And and if that's the case, how do you plan to uh replace and shore up, if you like, finish the north side of uh the project uh once it's all said and done?

And yes, I'm looking at view six from the hospital.

Uh yeah, that's a good question.

Um right now the that entire boulder wall is on the neighboring property.

Uh we're hoping that we don't have to take any of that down and we can we can remove the soils only on our yard.

That's what that's what the hope is.

We're hoping that the soils are are stable enough that we don't have to excavate into that yard.

If we end up we have to or there's some cost savings and we can reach an agreement with that neighbor, the intention would be to put the boulders back so that so that uh or something very similar so that um we're not the the definitely the intention is not to leave an exposed concrete parquet wall there to cover it again.

Okay, and and I guess just for the thoughts that uh if if that does happen, and I really appreciate not uh leaving an exposed concrete wall, but it is possible to have a a um a rock wall as opposed to a boulder stack if that uh were to come to that.

Uh yes, that and that would have to be negotiated with the neighbor and what they want to do and what their intentions are for that site.

Yeah.

I I'm thinking of your your building if if that happens, but we can get into that during the discussion.

But so that's very helpful.

Thank you, worship.

Okay, Councillor Lemmon.

Yeah, um, thank you, Jeff.

And a question to you or to the applicant, and that's regarding the rooftop garden.

Um looking at the the illustration, of course, we're you know we're looking down into people's homes, um, and I can't really see the extent of the garden itself.

Will it be the whole roof that is to be rooftop garden?

Uh no, let's um the rooftop garden is is the portion of the roof that's over top of the parking.

It's not the upper roofs.

So I'm not allowed to request control here, but you can see the surface parking, the the parking that's in the sort of a light brown that Jeff is circling around.

That is right to the right of that is where the where we need that retaining wall that the counselor was asking about the height of the fence.

And then to the right of that, um this whole area in there is what is the rooftop garden area.

That's an amenity space with a pergola and benches for the for the residents.

Okay, so so it's um it's a leisure place to sit and read a book or whatever not a not a place to do uh uh community gardening at this point there is no community gardening in there that is correct okay good thank you okay so next we're going to comments from the applicant i don't think unless you have something important to add you you need to add a lot because staff have done a very thorough presentation.

But is there anything you would like to add at this point?

Uh just one simple clarification.

The parking at the end of the cul-de-sac that Jeff talked about is in addition to any required parking.

Um, we are providing 100% of the required parking on the site, so that is truly a benefit to the neighbor and not intended to be something to make up for a parking shortfall on our site.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, so next we're going to go to comments from the public.

So you're able to phone in or you can reach us by the chat feature as well.

So, staff, are there any callers on the line?

Your worship, no new caller other than the caller with the last four digits, 5493 that we provided an opportunity earlier.

I don't know whether that individual would wish to uh press star six and unmute and comment on this uh project or not.

Okay, thank you.

Well, we'll give you an opportunity, caller with the last four digits, five four nine three.

If you'd like to comment on the seven Erskine Lane project, this is your opportunity.

Comment.

Hello?

No comment.

They say no comment.

Okay.

No comment.

Okay, thank you.

Um, and is there anyone on the chat feature?

Thank you, Mayor Speech.

We don't have anybody on the chat feature.

Okay, thank you.

So I'm gonna close off that portion.

Um there is one piece of correspondence to receive.

It's moved by Councillor Mattson.

Second, seconded by Councillor Kualovich.

All in favor, posed that's carried.

And then is someone prepared to move the staff's recommendation?

So moved.

Okay, moved by councillor Lemmon.

Second, seconded by Councillor Kualovich.

Okay, so it's on the floor.

Comments?

Yes, your worship.

Yeah, go ahead.

Yes, thank you.

Um I appreciate uh what uh the applicant has uh uh said and and it is assuring.

Um but I I still maintain that the north side of um this site um is uh I guess significant significantly exposed and it certainly doesn't have the uh lovelier um uh interest that um the south side does.

Um and uh while they they speak of uh five trees um um along there it's um I would want assurances that if those uh really significant fir trees um and it's a bargain for having uh two replaced for for any one of those um that we would uh require the applicant to um add uh those trees either um uh uh in that on that north side uh either as in large tree planters that we see in in high rises and and large um uh condominium sites um and that can easily be placed on the the the significant patio area that they have um as well as or alternatively uh um building tree wells um in into the boulder wall um if that is going to be replaced either way um i would hope that um the the five trees they speak of um we would uh raise that and and uh ask uh require that they plant uh ten trees along that north side to break up the uh the building impact um um from the vista from either the hospital and you can see it even across some eagle creek so i'm i'm asking that uh that the motion be amended to include um um not five trees but ten trees planted on the north side yeah i mean i i have some difficulty with us just changing a bylaw that we have for tree replacement on the fly can staff can you just we just heard how many total were going to be replaced there in the in the event that those ones do have to come out which doesn't seem to be definitive so how many was that again that were were going to be replaced yeah your worship Jeff Chell here um there's three existing large trees and the bottle would would require two to one replacement and the the uh the intent is obviously replant in the same location so that would be six but the applicant I think also mentioned that he did have other trees in that area that are already being planted did he not yes there there would be five uh landscape type trees.

So we're already up to 11.

So Councillor Rogers, does that satisfy your concerns I I think yes if if um and actually for the record um the applicant has noted that there could be uh four fir trees um nine seven seven nine seven eight nine seven nine and nine eighty uh there are four possible fir trees that uh could be um uh removed due to the uh removal of contaminated soils so um yes if we can uh be assured that uh they would be uh planting uh eleven trees um along that side um then yeah and I don't know if we have to make a requirement of that in the bylaw that's certainly what I heard.

So yeah, that that's the impression I get is that the they'll be replaced at a two to one ratio plus the other ones that they were going to be planting anyways.

I think the only stipulation your worship is that we would ask that any trees that be replaced are placed on the north side.

Yeah.

Well, I think staff can take that away for sure.

Staff in the I see everyone nodding.

Okay.

Thank you.

Anybody else?

Councillor Matson?

Yeah, and this is just in terms of discussion with us.

I mean, we may have gone too far down the road on this one, but as I said before, I mean the size of this building for the lot and the number of units, I just think is is over the top given what the site is.

So I think you know, in the future I'd like us to maybe tone some of these down a bit because again, way too much for what for what the site is.

Okay, thank you.

Your worship, uh can I just make one other comment?

Sure.

Yeah thank you.

Even though I've been um stressing the uh the whole aspect of the north side I want to compliment the uh applicant for um not only the design but the fact that um the the careful attention of amenities on site for um uh the the residents that are gonna be moving into there uh the solar paneling I think is is astonishing uh the fact that there will be electric um stations uh for all the parking and and the bike bicycle bicycles uh compliments the staff I I think it's uh going to be a a really good um uh benefit to the town okay thank you everyone's good yeah I I just want to say I think this is a really imposing building and and i like that that it's um it looks different from different angles and i'm really pleased and thank you staff to see the view from the hospital in the highway and um yeah good work my my one comment i have is on the bike lane because i'm still far from convinced that erskine lane needs a bike lane especially given all the problems with parking etc so we'll will that come back at some point when we discuss number nine and look at that whole thing i mean it and especially given, you know, I know we talk about how there's an access to the CRD, the galloping goose there, but that's an unauthorized access.

I don't think that's an access that the CRD has ever given its official blessing to.

So I think there's a whole lot of issues personally around putting a bike lane on that road.

So I'm I don't have any problem with putting the variants in there to allow for it, should it become a reality.

But I hope there'll be some discussion before we get there.

Your worship.

Hello, you worship.

Yeah, sorry, my my apologies, your worship.

Um, but you know, your point's well taken about it being unauthorized, and and uh I certainly would want to hear from CRD how we could if it's gonna be there and stay there uh on ideas how do we can improve the the safety of that.

Sure.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I Lindsay, go ahead.

Um I I I was going to say thank you, your worship.

Um we we are at this point in time just making sure that we've addressed all possibilities.

We don't have a firm plan for bike lane at this point in time.

Um we're we're we're just trying to make sure that we're uh prepared for any eventualities um that arise once we have all of the information related to the remaining frontage on Erskine and what what the the long term plan will be.

Right.

Okay.

Thank you.

So if everyone's good, I'm gonna call the question.

I I too like the building.

I'm excited to to see it going up and and congratulations so all in favor opposed that's carried thank you and we're moving on to the crossing guards and this is here because there was a little bit of a discrepancy in the uh amounts um so they need less than we offered initially they need less than what we offered initially but they're still asking for what we offered.

Is that an accurate reading of that staff?

Do you think?

Your worship, I would completely agree with that assessment.

Right.

So I guess it's our decision of whether we want to stick with what we originally said or to give them the amount that's documented here.

I think if they set out a specific amount that they need, we should be giving more.

Yeah, I tend to agree.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I missed that.

I go ahead.

Um if they're only asking for 21,612, um, and we are uh needing to make sure that we have enough in our capital or grant uh funds.

Um why don't we just give them what I don't know if Councillor Masson is saying this, but we should just give them what they're asking for.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, that's why counselor, so we approve 23550 but the the reality for the guards that they're providing us with they need 21612 so my question do we need a motion to yeah yeah so moved yeah okay so the motion is to give them what the actual requirement is the 21 thousand six hundred and twelve fifty seven second okay so that's moved and seconded staff is that all you need yes thank you your worship okay all in favor opposed that's carried.

There's a webcasting review there.

Is anyone prepared to move the recommendation so moved thank you.

So that's moved and seconded.

And staff, is there anything you want to add?

Seems there's agreement to what you've suggested here.

If there is nothing more you need to hear from me, I do not need to speak.

Okay.

Other than I mean, I will just, I mean, I know we're going through this quickly so that we don't need a presentation on it.

But I do know, and I think all the council does the amazing amount of work this has been to get it up and running.

Um, and I and I personally think it makes perfect sense to to have slightly less staff tied up every evening.

There's a council meeting with that, the chat feature as well.

So yeah.

Um yes, thank you, and I I completely agree.

Um uh thank you, staff, for for a good report.

Um, I don't know particularly impressed with the picture of me, but um uh yeah, it it's really excellent and the guinea pig.

Well done, staff, thank you.

Yeah.

Okay, so I'm gonna call the question.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried.

So next we are on to correspondence.

Um so we have um A, which is from the District of Sanage.

I think the uh be it resolved resolved, but not the second part.

Or the first two and not the third.

Because I don't really know what the third one means.

So Councillor Madsen has made uh what some might consider a motion of sorts.

I could read it all out if you'd like.

So if you want you, are you saying that you would like to write a letter to the province expressing concern over logging of old growth forests, basically, right?

Okay, I'll s I'll simplify it, yes.

Second.

Um yeah, I mean you could you could support, I guess, the first one, two, three, four clauses of that if if you feel like you want to weigh in on um forests that are well outside of the CRD as well.

Okay.

But that's, I mean, so basically you want to endorse everything except the last whereas.

Right.

Right.

Sorry.

Okay.

Well, that's because the first nations have come out quite clearly and said, would you please all that out?

Right.

So Sanage tried to amend it to make it more palatable to the to the First Nations communities.

But the First Nations have actually specifically asked that we stop interfering with the logging in Ferry Creek.

But at any rate, that's another discussion entirely.

So the motion is moved and seconded.

I'm going to vote against it again because I just don't want to see us getting into every week weighing in on um matters that have nothing to do with us.

You know, are we next week gonna write a letter saying that the province should be doing more prostate exams?

Um there's some sort of a some sort of a slippery slope of of where we, you know, I think we anyhow.

I'm not gonna make a big song and dance of it, but I'm gonna vote against it, and then I'm probably gonna get the exact same fact that I've got about voting in against the um wolf hunt.

You know, and just I understand what you're saying, but given that we've come out so strongly to support motions that you know save the planet, reduce carbon emissions, etc., this is just yet one more that I think that while we don't have any of these in particular in View Royal, it's an important element that we should be trying to maintain and keep for the environment.

But do you my counter to that would be do you really think you have all the information to make a balanced decision on how they should deal with logging in old growth forests.

Your worship?

I'm just thinking we shouldn't be logging in old growth forests.

Counselor Rogers.

Yes, thank you.

I'll be supporting the motion.

I think the uh the point is it's consistent with um uh the the towns uh and and the CRDs uh initiatives to uh and importance on on uh trees and tree canopies and and um why we have urban containment boundaries and why we protect the souk hills and uh but the old growth forests are uh you know exceedingly rare but they're also exceedingly valuable uh to those uh individuals uh you know because of the the very nature of of um you know these incredible trees that you know climate climate is changing and uh it's very unlikely that they we'll ever see uh these these uh magnificent trees again so and and i guess i'm referring also to the wonderful work that crd did in in preserving the old growth forest uh north of uh theus lake and i see the similarities um i believe that uh we need to give a clear message to the province uh to work with the first nations and uh all those that do in non first nation uh forested lands of old growth forests work this out and get this these trees protected.

Okay, thank you.

Anybody else like speak to it?

No, I yeah um you know per perhaps it is outside of our jurisdiction, but you know, we're it's part part of the greater community.

We all live on this island, we all live in this province, and we all care about you know, a vanishing resource and and a vanishing wonder of the world.

And um I I'm you know, going outside of my purview here, I'm surprised that the other level of government is not doing more to protect it.

Well, come on.

I mean, let's not turn this into a major debate, but but for Pete's sake, our province relies on forestry.

It's the economic backbone of our forest.

And so it's easy for us to sit here and say no more logging, but we have no idea of the economic impact the same that we you are saying no more logging in old growth forests.

That's what this motion says.

That's right.

And there's lots of other second growth forests and third growth forests.

You feel well enough informed on the whole subject of logging in our province.

I am a child of this province.

And I'm a child of all I have a you know, I'm I'm not speaking out of total ignorance.

I suspect if it was that easy, it would have happened.

But at any rate, I'm gonna call a question.

All in favor?

That was fine.

Aye.

Opposed.

So Mayor Screech is opposed.

Abstain.

You you're opposed as well?

Abstaining.

You can't abstain.

You either in favor.

If you don't vote, you're in favor or you're opposed.

This is this could come back to haunt you for the days of social media.

I'm making a point.

At any rate, I I we I want to be recorded as opposed.

Thank you all.

So carrying on, we have the letter from the CRD for the seeking consent for bylaw 4375.

So who would like to move consent?

So moved.

Okay, thank you.

It's moved by Councillor Rogers.

Seconded by Councillor Lemmon.

Thank you, Borship.

Yeah.

Uh just a just a confirmation here.

Is this the last borrow ring for the project?

I don't think this is so much to do with the project as it is down the road of miscellaneous capital expenditures that are needed.

Okay.

Yeah.

All in favor?

Opposed, that's carried.

The last two are really just for receipt, the information.

So if we can receive A and B.

So moved.

Yeah.

Moved by Councillor Matson.

Seconded by Councillor Kualowich.

All in favor?

Opposed, that's carried.

And then tax rates.

So I don't think we need to go over these too much.

There's a we need first, second, and third reading of bylaw 1072.

I'll move first, second, and third.

Okay, 1072.

Yes.

Thank you.

Seconded by Councilor Kualowicz.

Okay.

Everybody good?

Okay.

All in favor.

Posed.

That's carried.

And then we need adoption of bylaw number 1071.

So moved.

Thank you.

Moved by Councillor Rogers.

Seconded by Councillor Mattson.

All in favor.

Opposed.

That's carried.

So now we're up to question period so we'll give the public a minute or two just to call in if they'd like to so the your number will is on the screen if you'd like to call in with a question and that can be on anything it doesn't necessarily have to be on the agenda tonight.

Probably ask why you don't like trees and wolves I know I'm I'm sure I'm going to get um you your worship yes did we um pass bylaw 1071 we sure did okay I thought we only had moved uh two of the three.

No, we moved adoption okay good night is everyone else's uh We're getting all these messages peeping at us.

Sarah?

I think perhaps we may have skipped the garbage one, the 1070 piece and charges.

I think we may have gone from tax rates.

Oh ten right.

1072 to 107.

Right, right.

You're right.

We did miss one.

So we did 1071.

We need to do 1070, which is the adoption of the garbage rates.

I thought you were trying to save a dollar for people.

So so moved and I told you so.

Thanks to you.

I'll move adoption.

So you move adoption of one zero seven zero, thank seconded by Councillor Lemon.

Yeah.

All in favor.

Opposed.

Thank you.

Well, it's carried.

Okay.

Do we have any callers on the line stuff?

Your worship, no, we have no new callers.

Thank you.

And do we have anything on the chat feature?

We actually do.

Oh.

We have we have one question from Sylvia May.

And her address is number 3114 Erskine Lane.

And her question is, will there be sidewalks on both sides of Erskine Lane?

No.

There'll be sidewalks on the development side of Erskine Lane, all the way up.

There may someday be sidewalks on the other side of Lisbon Lane because there is a covenant on a property that if developed would prompt Sagwa.

But at this point in time with the current developments, they would just be on the side of Erskine Lane that's being developed.

Okay, and that's it, Jennifer.

That's all of our comments.

Okay, well, thank you.

And thank you for being there at our council meetings on the chat feature.

We'll we'll miss you in the future when you're not.

It's my pleasure.

Motion to terminate.

So we'll see everybody next Monday for um the O C P