Meeting Overview
The Committee of the Whole meeting addressed several key financial delegations, including the West Shore Parks and Recreation Financial Plan (2.88% requisition increase for View Royal) and the Greater Victoria Public Library 2025 Budget. Council received information on the proposed Foundry West Shore facility and the CRD Animal Control update. The Committee debated a complex Rezoning and Development Permit application for 12 townhouses at Helmcken Road, specifically addressing four variances requested by the applicant. Finally, Council passed a motion recommending that the Mayor advocate to reverse the recent BC Building Code amendment permitting single-exit stairwells in mid/high-rise buildings, citing severe public safety concerns raised by fire professionals.
Key Decisions
- THAT the report dated January 7, 2025 from the Director of Protective Services titled "Public Safety Report for November - December 2024" be received for information.
- The staff report was received for information, allowing the application process to proceed to bylaw readings and a hearing on the variances, likely by March.
- THAT the report dated January 8, 2025 from the Chief Administrative Officer titled "CAO Update" be received for information.
- THAT the Building Department Report for December 2024 be received for information.
- THAT the report dated January 8, 2025 from the Executive Assistant titled "Council Resolution Follow-up List - 4th Quarter" be received for information.
Transcript
1625 segmentsGood afternoon, View Royal, and I'll call the meeting of the Committee of the Whole for Tuesday, January 14th, to order, and we'll begin with a territorial acknowledgement that we recognize the Quangwin speaking people known today as the Esquimalt Nation and the Songhees Nation, and that their historic connections to these lands continue to this day.
This afternoon we heard from the public during the public participation and question portions of the agenda.
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I note that the uh the agenda has changed.
Um, and I note also that councillor Mattson has before you in your pile of agenda items a notice of motion that he's just submitting um that will be uh that I'll ask him to read in, but we'll discuss it actually the next council meeting that we have.
So, with that, can I get a motion to approve the agenda as stands?
Moved by councilor Brown, seconded by Councilor Rogers.
Um any comments?
All those in favor.
Okay, uh, if you have got a comment now, just quickly, I I really like the new format.
I others might have different opinions, but I I prefer it to anyway, just my opinion.
Okay, thanks, Councilor Brown.
And what he's noting is that normally we uh go um to chairs of our portfolios.
Uh the chair will now rotate.
Um uh who's ever acting mayor, I think that uh goes by the basis.
So I believe the next one up will be Councillor Brown, uh, who will chair the whole meeting.
Uh so it'll just be a a change in in doing things that way.
There'll still be a portion on the agenda.
I think it's a two that will allow um uh you to update your portfolios and anything that you wanted to address specifically with the match.
Um yeah, so uh all those in favor of approving the agenda.
Any opposed?
Seeing none opposed, motion carries.
And can I get a motion to adopt the minutes for the 12th of November Council of the whole, please?
Moved by Councillor Lemon.
Uh do I have a seconder?
Second.
Seconded by Councillor Rogers.
All those in favor?
Any opposed?
Seeing none opposed, the motion passes unanimously.
Uh chair's report.
I do have a few things to report.
I was expecting a quiet uh January and I was wrong.
Um so uh a few weeks ago, Ivan, our head engineer, met with uh uh transit around complaints of the bus on the shoulder portion that they're currently doing um along Old Island Highway.
Um and they have apologized for not engaging the residents as fulsomely as they should.
They've rectified the situation by putting a contact in that saves our staff time and and uh updates um the residents that are immediately affected by some of the work that's going on.
Um at the same time, uh I think everybody noted that they're uh they have announced um for the second time the bus on the shoulder um uh plan and that will mainly affect View Royal but I would arguably say it would probably have the least benefit specifically to View Royal.
But of course a number of our residents along the highway will be both impacted by the construction potentially noise.
So I've reached out for a special meeting with Moti to try to get ahead of our citizens' concerns and see what we can do to mitigate sound uh as well as the process of construction as well.
Uh meeting last week with our new MLA, uh Darlene Rochford, um, who uh was a counselor in uh Esquimalt and uh she uh seems very willing to take on our causes even though she is uh of the government uh she is very willing to represent us uh in our citizens' needs which many are are very similar to Esquimalt's uh so I I was happy to have that meeting I've also met with our new South Island Prosperity Partnership um uh a CEO who's the former mayor of Ladysmith uh and um I I think they're under um uh a position that they're now reviewing and trying to make their work uh much more aligned to municipal challenges for prosperity uh for the South Island.
Um and of course, we are partners with them in that.
From a recent CMHC report that was released for the last quarter of this year.
Everybody knows the tremendous amount of construction going on throughout the West Shore.
Normally, our vacancy rate is hovering around 1.2 to 2%.
It jumped to 8.9% in the last quarter.
The opposite note to that is not so good a news.
Even though we're increasing supply, our rental affordability is still going up by 2%, where the rest of the uh country is going down for their affordability.
So that is something that I know um residents and staff and council will pay attention to to see if increasing the supply actually makes it a little bit more affordable or actually stops through the increases, so that uh hopefully uh we can catch up to it.
Um yeah, on the and uh lastly, our uh first inaugural meeting of our OCP committee occurred last night.
Um the group seems absolutely great, uh, provided uh invaluable support to staff with um uh reviewing the survey and making sure it was right for uh citizens.
Um the group's working well together.
There's not a posted next meeting, it's gonna go by the milestones as staff advances their work to ensure there's enough uh work for them to review uh but they're already talking about being getting together uh uh kind of as a side to visit some of the sites get out around View Royal and um and and to make themselves more aware so I couldn't be more happy thanks Jerry for your support and in that um and petitions and delegations that brings us down to I think our CAO of West Shore Parks and Rec, Mr.
Brown.
I think I've done that all correctly.
Thank you.
And thank you very much for inviting me to uh present on our budget for 2025 and the financial plan.
Next slide.
Sorry, so on uh today's presentation, I'm going to cover the financial projections and what has led to that, the major variances for 2024.
We're not just doing it for our benefit, but for the benefit of the recording and people that uh are tuning in at home.
Thanks, Carl.
Looks good here.
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Thank you.
Um, so to the considerations for 2025, things that we had to look at in building the 2025 budget, what that then leads to as far as major expense increases for next year, an overview of our financial plan for the next five years, looking at both revenues and expenses, a summary of the capital projects for 2025.
New to this year is a five-year capital plan.
So we've always done that.
We've just now included that in the package for all of the uh member councils to be able to review and look what's coming up over the next few years.
Um, very pleased to to report back on where our reserve continuity shows.
Um, we've can had continual improvement on that over the last number of years as we've made a conservative effort into ensuring that we've got adequate funding for all of our capital projects or and which are the owners and the members' resources, um, as well as then, of course, the requisition impact to each municipality.
Next slide.
So for 2024, we've had another um successful year.
Uh, we're looking at coming at six percent under budget or a surplus of 358,000.
Um, surpluses from our operating budgets all go towards that general capital reserve, and has been one of the big reasons over the last few years why we've been able to get to where we are in as far as the capital funding.
Um, what you'll see in the next slide when we we um I look at sort of the major variances, uh unlike oops, sorry, previous slide still.
Um, unlike previously in uh 2022, and particularly in 2023, where we saw a really large increase in admissions, we are in capacity in most areas.
Um, we're no longer seeing 50 people waiting in the pool, but the pool drop-ins are still full when we do family swims as an example.
There's 80 to 90 people at night in the weight room.
Um, yesterday in the afternoon happened to be doing a tour, and there was 40 people in at one o'clock in the afternoon in the weight room.
So it's we're definitely still seeing um that growth there, but it's not like it was the previous two years where we had that big demand for recreation services, where we've got the increase in revenue this year, it has been spread out across the board.
Um, I'll point out onto those, but there's a few uh rental areas where we've increased.
Interest income is a big part as interest rates went up on those reserves that we're holding on to.
And of course, some of the expenses went up in association with those increased revenue as we added programs, added more required more staffing, more supplies, and so on.
Uh next slide.
So when we look into 2024, it made up that um that surplus has mentioned the biggest um in increase on the finance or on the revenue side was higher interest income due to interest rates increasing and holding on to those reserves for capital projects.
We also saw an increase in arena programs, in particular um with youth hockey academies.
So we've got there's a number of them now.
It used to be in in general the youth hockey use of the arenas was uh minor hockey.
Now we've got a lot of um attachments to the schools and different academy programs.
And the nice part for us is they're using daytime ice so historically um ice during the day said sat empty if we didn't have some sort of like duffer hockey or adult program they would say sit empty now they're um it's quite full so the Q Center for example is is basically full all day long all the way up until one o'clock in the morning and we're seeing the same thing moving up into the WandaFuca rec center or WandaFuca arena as well.
Indoor sports complex um we're fully realizing what the expectations were back when the evaluation was done to convert the curling rink into that where we're seeing an average of 70 hours of use per week as opposed to what was 20 hours of use per week with of course quite a bit higher expenses to run the uh ice plant for the curve for curling in the past so in the daytime we've got things like pickleball uh we've got partnerships where with um Brooks School actually comes down and and uses our weight room um outdoor facilities actually have a hockey program now as well and they're they're using us as a lot of their um physical education program as well as daycare our daycare and our after school care programs will go down and use it and then after about 330 four o'clock we've got have heavily um use of rentals and as well as on weekends between soccer baseball lacrosse and those in the spring uses as well fitness is the one area as mentioned in the weight room we're still seeing admission increases there most of that is on annual pass sales which is nice to see we've got um definitely seeing high high usage of of that facility.
We've made some changes last year on how we have the equipment or organized throughout the facility to try to manage some of that, but it's definitely busy, as well as we've seen a general increase in adult programs and yoga, Pilates, a lot of the specialty programs as well, are staying high in high demand.
And the golf course continues to do well.
We actually, um, due to some of the late uh changes in the weather at the end of the year, we didn't have quite as many rounds in 2024 as we did in 2023.
But historically, in a in 2020, as an example, or prior to in 2019, we had 25,000 rounds in a year.
Last year we had 39,000.
So there's a significant increase in use of the uh golf course through the year.
And so that's led to our revenue increases.
To do those, and to in particular on the program side, we've had to add more staffing in to handle those extra programs.
So we've had associated increases in wages, supplies as well as service contracts.
Some of those specialty programs aren't taught by West Shore staff, they're taught by contractors.
Due to the increased revenue, we have an increase in payment processing expenses, and insurance continues to be one of our challenges as far as the market being hardened.
Although I have some information on that coming up shortly.
Moving into 2025, we have a collectively bargained 3% wage increase this for this year.
And as I always mentioned, wages are 80% of our costs, so it's a significant factor for us.
So every 1% for 2025's wage increase is equivalent to 89,000 overall budgetary expense or 1.4% against requisitions.
So our that 3% increase for 2025 is equivalent to a 4.2 requisition increase on overall, if we didn't have increases in revenue expectations to offset some of that.
We've had a 10% insurance premium increase projection for this year.
Although, as I mentioned just previously, we recently met with our broker and who they've indicated they are starting to see new insurers come back into the public insurance market.
So hopefully we'll start to see some of that incredible increases we've seen over the last few years start to drop.
They're hoping that for this year we might see rates actually flatline.
And so the increase in our premiums premiums will be more related to the increased values of our assets and the insurability of that versus actually the rates going up as well.
So we should hopefully see that to start to drop back drop down.
A 5 to 10% utility rate increase.
Although I am happy to say that due to efficiency improvements we've done, such as replacing all of our air handling units, the gas fired ones into electric, as well as the replacement of the old chiller down at the Q arena, we've offset those completely by energy savings.
So there is no budgeted increases for utilities for next year.
And then with that is the increased workload on staff to manage growing service delivery.
So looking at staffing levels as well as our continued annual increases to the capital asset reserve, as mentioned previously.
Next slide.
So how these turned into increased expenses for 2025, we had non-discretionary increases for both the wage increases while insurance as insurance premiums increase of $325,000 for the year.
And then we had discretionary increases of just shy of $562,000, which were made up of $220,000 in increased transfers to capital reserve, which is varied.
We increased um by 10,000, for example, into our butt or bus replacement reserve due to the last time we bought one due to cost rising, increase for fitness equipment.
Um added in a reserve to replace the turf that's in the Bellodrome due to the relationship we have with West Shore Rugby.
That's due to be replaced in 2030.
So a portion of that 450,000 of that is covered by West Shore Rugby.
But we had an evaluation of the turf done last spring, and it's going to be roughly 600,000 to replace it.
And so the society needs to make up the difference for that.
So we've created that reserve as well as the um increase into uh was on the sorry on the general the 60,000, which we started in 2021 on an annual increase for the general capital reserve.
We created three new regular positions, a four-day week programmer in aquatics to help handle the incredible load on the aquatics department and demands for swimming lessons.
Added an FTE into the parks maintenance worker role for maintaining the facilities, as well as an administrative systems assistant.
And then previously, as we've been going going through, we've been relying heavily on auxiliaries for a lot of positions.
So we actually converted a number of smaller auxiliary roles into two full-time positions.
So no more hours, but we just by combining them, we've made them more meaningful, makes it easier for a recruit, a more fulsome job for someone.
And in there we created a program assistant in the arena events to help out with the arenas as well as looking after with food and beverage and so on, as well as a facility maintenance worker down at the Q center.
Overall, the total expense increase for 2025 is just over a million dollars, which is excluding the master plan project.
We've increased our fees and program offerings and performance expectations by just over 800,000, which has resulted in a requisition increase of 235 or 3.9 to compensate the difference.
2024 was 4%.
So we're on that look our goal continues to get that to drop, as well as that 3.9 is what matched the five year approved financial plan from last year.
So we were able to hit that target.
Next slide, please.
So as far as revenues go, um, looking over the next five years, we have a 10.2% increase in revenue expectations for 2025.
This includes an overall average fee increase of 4%, as well as increased expectations based on what we saw in 2023.
And then we've used a conservative 3.8% increase moving ourselves forward to project where we look to see.
Most of this will be based on fee increases.
As mentioned, we've got capacity in most areas.
And then using 3.8% as our conservative estimation moving forward.
One of the things I did want to mention is that our projections for 2024 had a cost recovery of 59%.
2025, our cost recovery is budgeted at 57%, which is 0.91% better than improvement over 2024 and a 2.7% improvement over 2023.
So as though we are is definitely a costly operation to operate, but based on that, we are doing our best at all times to ensure that we are making a significant dent in those cost increases by a combination of fee increases and increased performance expectations so that we're not fully relying on tax increases to increase those operations.
Next slide, please.
For 2025, we have a fairly heavy capital list spread out on a number of projects.
One thing I did want to point out we've on items that we knew we weren't going to complete, we've been indicated there as carry forward from 2024.
In particular in fleet, a lot of our specialized parks and golf course equipment.
We are finding that from time of order to time of delivery is taking well over 12 months now.
So a lot of the time when we go to order, we don't see it till the next year.
However, due to our capital projects being funded through reserves, it just doesn't come out that year.
So there is no tax effect on that.
So when something didn't complete last year, it's not a new new dollar amount we're asking for for in 2025.
It just didn't come out.
It stays in the reserve and will just come out when the equipment starts to arrive this following year.
As far as the five-year capital plan, this is a snapshot of the summary of the different areas.
You'll see it's still fairly heavy as we're looking through.
Um, the society maintains 120 million dollars in assets of owner assets related to the buildings, um, as well as the rolling stock.
And so there's a number of things in there.
So some of the big areas that would drive it up.
For example, we have the roof has to be replaced on the senior center in 2026.
All of the Q center Q Center seating is being replaced in 2027, which is 500,000 of that 800,000 there.
Um, fitness equipment is being replaced in 2028.
How that, however, there's a specific um reserve for that, those funds which you contribute to on an annual basis, so there isn't a tax effect on that piece on that specifically, as well as the JDF chiller is due to be replaced in 2029.
So it's just a bit of a snapshot to see with the the assets that are sitting under that facility that which are all of the owners, it's quite significant.
There's some very large machinery and mechanical equipment that's there.
Next slide, please.
And I mentioned earlier, looking at a reserve continuity.
When I first actually joined the society in 2017 and was doing these presentations for the first time, we were actually be out of money by now for maintaining our capital.
So very excited to show you that we continue to remain in the black.
And by the time we hit 2029, we're now very close.
And I expect by 2030, we'll actually be contributing to the reserve the same amount coming out.
So in essence, be a fully funded funded capital project or capital plan.
And so we will continue to look at at nominal increases going forward to stay ahead of inflation, but we should be in a good state that way.
So there isn't with that extra annual contribution that we're not asking for large tax dollars on when big pieces of equipment come up and so on.
On the left side of that, the equipment replacement.
So there's the general reserve, and then we have some specific ones.
As I mentioned, we've got bus reserve or bus replacements, IT replacements, Zamboni replacements, fitness, and so on.
There's quite a few different ones there.
What we definitely try to do now when we add new capital projects or new areas, for example, like the skateboard park, part of that process is adding in a reserve for the eventual work that will be needed to be done on that.
Thank goodness with the skate park, it should be well down the road, but we are contributing so that whenever some major reply work is needing to be done on there, it's not going to be a secondary ask for um the ownership.
Next slide, please.
And then converted assessments.
So this is what the information that were provided from all of your CFOs, and this is through the governance agreements, is how both the ownership of the society works between the the five municipalities as well as how the requisition is split up amongst them.
So moving into 2024, View Royals ownership was now 12.58%, which is a slight drop from last year.
And the drop there is due to the the overall average converted assessment increase of the five unit municipalities was 2.54%, whereas View Royals was 1.53%.
So due to that, lower than the average is what drops that ownership percentage.
The good part on that is for yourselves is then the actual requisition increase, which you'll see on the next slide, isn't the full 3.9% as how that moves working forward.
Next slide, please.
The overall requisition increase is 3.9.26% of that is related to operating.
So as mentioned, the increase for VROIL is 2.88.
So as I mentioned, the majority of this increase is all related to capital work prevention.
So 3.64% or 220% or 220,000 is contributed to capital reserves.
The requisition increases are in line with the approved five year plan that was presented last year.
Next slide, please.
And to put this into we our attempt to put into a little bit of perspective on what this means for individual residents, we'll see based on the population project BC government population projection as well as the budgeted tax income for VRORIL last year.
This is a dollar 76 increase per capita for VROL residents or a 0.18% increase over taxes.
Next slide, please.
And lastly, I'd like to finish off with some statistics.
So to what does this mean for View Royal?
So as mentioned, your ownership is 12.58%.
Although 14.1% of our clients are from View Royal, 17.2% of our memberships, 10 point of our registrations, 17.5% of our drop ins, 12.2% of our life clients, 16.2% of our visit passes, and 13% of our total transactions are from View Royal residents.
So just a little snapshot to show we're definitely having residents are using our facility.
We always like to see them using more, and we're doing our as through the master plan process, looking at how what will happen for the wet the society moving forward and how we'll push out into further into the the five um regions that look after us.
So thank you.
Great.
Um uh just uh before I turn to my colleagues, any questions that they might have, uh just want to thank you for uh your continued leadership for uh parks and rack on the west shore.
I think uh it it it has made me realize how much work that goes into planning, but also how able you are to pivot, including John Horgan's funeral, which was really an international event.
Um, but to host that on short notice, get it up, get and and uh really host a a world class event in a very short period of time so thank you uh thank you done start with you for questions just uh just a quick comment uh too as well thank you for the services you provide it's it's excellent I've I think I mentioned last time I've used every facility except the skateboard but one day I will try it the uh my my four grandchildren teenagers they all love the drop in the drop in nights and and their friends as well because I've had a chance to talk to some of them over the Christmas break.
So uh keep up the good work uh yeah they love it.
Councilor Rogers.
Yeah, thank you.
Excellent presentation.
Uh, just uh let me check as usual.
Um, you know, as as uh Councilor Brown is saying, the youth programs are are you know vitally important and a great service to the region.
Um do we need is there a budget increase or are we able to um you know appropriately fund this program um for uh for this year.
Um for this year we're still under the uh Building Safer Communities grant funding.
So that entire program, which has been phenomenal, we're seeing over 120 kids every Friday night go through that program as well as we've added Wednesdays skate.
Um there's a program on at uh Centennial Center as well in arts and crafts and and whatnot as well.
Um we're fully funded through 2025, and actually, we went through and the had a discussion at the uh director level with the board, and uh, we're going to include what is needed to continue that funding as in our funding for 2026, and so we'll probably package as a separate ask because it'll bub sort of be above and beyond what's in our normal five-year plan.
Um had that discussion with the um at an ownership meeting in the fall as well, and there was unanimous support for for continuing on with this program.
Excellent.
Thank you very much.
I know whenever I see this and and anticipate the the five years, but you know, the other thing we have is uh an enormous amount of growth in the West Shore.
And if I'm recall, uh there was some discussion about a regional context and whether um the one and fugu wish West Shore uh space and land that we have at this moment is sufficient to handle the growth in in the West Shore region as a whole.
Um is there um plans for uh increasing space and availability, say in the Roll Bay or uh throughout the other places in the West Shore?
Through the chair.
Yeah, that's the we're doing we're actually have embarked on a West Shore Parks and Recreation Facilities master plan.
And so specifically to the to the WandaFuca site, we're pretty built.
There's not really anything left there unless we want to actually go into the where the hill is but I also firmly believe in some green space too is beneficial.
And so we don't really want to go into that.
So we have embarked regionally into a master plan process of which we have a selected a vendor and tomorrow actually have a follow-up meeting with them as we're just confirming the um our approval of the schedule, which will include um public per public engagement beginning mid-February to run through mid-February to the end of March, with the um at the moment the goal is to have it prepared and presented back to the ownership for October and November.
Councilor Moxon, please.
I just wanted to express my appreciation for not only all the hard work you do, but to keeping our increase in our requisition to uh 2.9%.
It's something for council to shoot on and shoot at uh in terms of our increase to our population this year.
Thank you, Council Watson.
Council Lincoln.
Quick question, Grant, and thank you for your presentation.
Um your capital projects, I I think the very bottom line will be very exciting to a big part of the population, and that's pickleball courts.
How many how many courts will be established within this funding period?
Through the chair, six outdoor courts.
And so they were just finalizing the contract.
We did make we've um chosen a uh contractor for it, and there were just a couple changes due to the fact that it's the replacement of the volleyball court, so there's not as much um land remediation, as she would say beforehand, site or site preparation that is required.
And so there's just some a few changes going in there, but we should see um right now that part's been cleared off.
Shovel in the ground should be happening, I would anticipate, certainly by mid February, anyways.
And the goal on that project is have them ready and operational for the end of May.
That's great.
A lot of people will be very happy.
Uh a couple of questions from me if there's nobody else.
And uh first one is um when we get to that stage where we uh erode funding for the youth program and are looking for it, can you come back with an ask to the West Shore mayors?
Because I've been approached um uh on uh uh for private, both private donors and businesses wanting to be involved in something they could put a mark on, and I would think that would be most appropriate to fund a youth night that wouldn't be through requisition but through sponsorship uh of ways of local businesses uh in order to support the initiative.
Um, and my second question is have we ever looked at um offsetting potentially our operational costs with carbon credits from the green space that we have.
We haven't as a society.
We report all of our um carbon emissions and whatnot through to the ownership.
We it gets, I believe, because we sit, I'd have to check on this, because we sit within COWIT, it gets reported to COAD.
I'm not sure how that then fans out to the ownership.
So through our financial process, it runs through Langford.
Actually, they happen to take care of that for us, but there is a portion of all the assets, of course.
Some sit on our financial statement, some sit on yours.
And so that process happens there.
I'd have to check on that.
We are partnering with um COID right now.
They're submitting a grant to to do a re an entire um uh carbon footprint review of the site.
Um, because in particular, because of the the ice plants, we are a significant um energy consumer, so we are also a significant uh carbon output uh aspect to that too.
So we're looking at what changes can be there.
My understanding there are there, but some of them the technology is just not there yet for them as far as the payback on some of those pieces, but we are going through that process.
But I can look to find out if um we haven't done anything as far as the society goes for that before.
Thank you.
There's no other questions.
Thank you very much.
And uh colleagues, if you'll indulge me for something I forgot that was probably the most important thing uh that I was supposed to mention under my uh comments was that we have a new face in our staff uh that we can welcome in, Troy Ziegler, who's joining us as the uh financial officer.
Uh Troy's coming uh uh to us with uh a lifetime of experience in municipal uh finance and coming at the right time just before budget season uh so uh Troy welcome on board uh thank you for uh your application and I'm more than happy that you've joined the team and are already making tracks so thank you again uh and then we can move on I think to the Victoria Public Library.
There we are.
Thank you very much.
Uh good afternoon, Mayor Tobias, members of council and staff.
I want to thank you for inviting us to make the presentation this afternoon.
My name is Andrew Appleton.
I am the chair of the Greater Victoria Public Library Board, the outgoing chair.
This is one of my last official tasks, so it's my pleasure to be with you here this afternoon.
I am a council representative for the District of Oak Bay.
And with me to present this afternoon is our CEO, Maureen Sawa, and our Assistant Director of Finance, Melina Barnes, and our uh magician of administration, Erica, is there as well.
Um, I'd just like to recognize Councillor Jerry Lemon, who is your representative on the GVPL board.
I've worked with Councillor Lemon for some years now, and she is a consistent and enthusiastic and much valued member of our board.
Um, just always a pleasure uh and and with consistent and significant important contributions to the board and on a personal level.
Really enjoy working with Councillor Lemon.
And when I was first on the board, this is my sixth year on the board, worked with Councillor Rogers.
He was one of the first people that I met, so also recognizing my service with Councillor Rogers.
Thank you, Counselor.
The commitment from the town of View Royal to providing your representation to the GVPL just can't be understated.
It's such a significant organization, and we really, really appreciate the commitment that the town makes to the organization.
And we're committed to working with you as our municipal partners to build communities, and we provide citizens with equitable access to information services and resources to grow and to learn.
We're one of the few free accessible public spaces that are accessible to everyone, barrier free.
And we're not just a source of information and learning, but also a vital community hub.
We're actually at a very critical point.
We're acting as a critical and important frontline service delivery agency as well.
And we're committed to supporting the well-being of our communities, but we're under unprecedented pressure to adapt and respond to increasingly diverse needs and challenges that face the most vulnerable.
So, on behalf of the board, uh, the staff, and the community that we serve, I'd like to express again my sincere thanks to the town of View Royal for your continued support of the G VPL.
We're proud of the work that we do, and we open the door to what we like to call the community's living room.
And we very much appreciate your support.
So I'm going to turn it over at this point to Maureen for the remainder of the presentation, and we'll look forward to any questions you have afterwards.
Thank you.
Thank you, Andrew, and thank you for your service to chair an important portfolio.
Much appreciated.
Thank you.
Thank you, Andrew.
And on behalf of all of us, we're really going to miss him being sharing.
Look at the button he's wearing.
Our greatest fan.
I just want to thank Mayor, thank you, Mayor Tobias, Council, and Staff for the opportunity to be here again today.
It's always such a pleasure to have the opportunity to just kind of tell you what we've been up to over this past year.
Next slide, please.
Okay, I always begin my budget presentations.
It's always helpful to uh give a reminder that our library system does serve 10 of the 13 municipalities of the capital region district.
As illustrated in this map, we have 12 physical branches as well as one virtual branch.
Our shared service model, which is funded by our 10 municipal municipalities, enables residents within each municipality to have free and equitable access to a full range of services and resources that only a large urban library system can offer.
This allows us to provide residents with a standard of service that would not be possible for any one individual CRD municipality to offer.
We like to say where you're placed to connect, discover, and imagine GVPL's whole is truly greater than the sum of its parts.
So I have some statistics on the next slide, please.
How are we serving the community?
These are numbers from January 1st to November 30th.
We haven't quite got the full year compiled yet.
But I just wanted to point out a couple of things.
Digital circulation.
There's a growing reliance on online resources, and our digital circulation is seeing an impressive 22.4% increase this last year, highlighting the continued shift toward digital content and the increasing reliance on online resources and the success of our strategic investments in digital services.
Our physical circulation continues to be quite high, and our in-person visits to our branches has surged by 11.8% in this past year, reflecting a strong return to libraries as community spaces.
As our board chair has said, we are the community living room and do support community resilience and access to resources.
Our public computer sessions, this is a really interesting number, 34.8% increase in use of public computers.
We've actually added 35 points of service in our branches because you know, after COVID, it seemed like people were really reluctant to kind of come in and physically use any any equipment, but we're finding now it's just surged.
And when you come into the central branch in particular, there's rarely an empty seat in terms of a public computer.
I think a lot of that is a reflection of the increase in costs that people are experiencing.
Families are living maybe with just one device in their home that they have access to, and there's a real reliance on public access for computers.
We had a 7.1 increase in active library card holders.
And if the central branch, of course, which you you participate in in terms of your home branch, ranked number one in our system for new card creations.
Wi Fi sessions also grew by about 4.6%.
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So we're very proud of the fact that we are committed to removing barriers and expanding access.
Our commitment to inclusive access was experienced by the fact that we did remove and eliminate overdue fines at the beginning of last year.
We made a significant move to go fine free, and as a result, this lifted restrictions on over 78,000 accounts, including 30,000 active users.
And my understanding is the percentage of increased library card holders is about 22%.
And we do attribute that to that that removal of that barrier um as i mentioned we are investing in digital equity um in addition to the 35 public computers that we've increased, we've also um really um ramped up our uh digital um holdings and we are going to be uh redesigning our website this year to be more accessible uh next slide please um again as i mentioned record breaking digital engagement um between april and september 2024 i think some of you are may are familiar we were the first uh library system in and british columbia to provide full access service to the new yimes um online um um information service that increased by over 40 percent in that period.
So in terms of the of the reliance on these resources, it really has been showing in our numbers um we are also um in terms of the our adaptable and inclusive accesses, we're working on our our spaces, both physical and virtual, to be more easily used.
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Obviously, early literacy and youth engagement continues to be a high priority for GBPL.
In 2024, our summer reading club engaged over 9,000 children.
So we're well before, you know, we've we've exceeded our pre COVID numbers.
And I think it's just really a testament to the staff and to our public, how much we are supporting, you know, that reversal of the uh the reading slump that can sometimes occur over summer when kids are out of school.
Um, we have also ensured inclusive literacy access for all sorts of online tools, audiobooks, um, etc., so that children have access to the most current um resources.
Next slide, please.
Indigenous engagement and reconciliation.
Again, uh just a reminder that since 2017 we've partnered with the University of Victoria's Indigenous Education Department to host a virtual Indigenous stories book club.
Um, this has been incredibly successful, and we've expanded our story walk programs to include three new titles by Indigenous authors.
We've also reintroduced the Literacy Circle program in partnership with the Victoria Native Friendship Center, and our Indigenous Reads displays continue to be very popular.
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In terms of diverse and accessible resources and spaces, just a reminder that early last year we launched a crucial initiative to promote health equity by providing free menstrual products in all of our washrooms and all 12 of our branches.
We run monthly ID clinics in partnership with the Community Social Planning Council.
And again, here's another thing that libraries are really good at is providing kind of environments that are not intimidating, that are not fearful for individuals who have lost their ID, they're changing their persona, and they're not really comfortable going into a kind of a bureaucratic government situation, come into the library, deal with you know, kind of people that are a little bit uh less intimidating to talk to.
So we're very proud of that initiative.
Uh we've also expanding our world languages collections, adding Arabic books to our collection at the central branch, and um expanding our commitment to uh cultural diversity.
As I mentioned, accessible resources, um, accessible formats such as large print books.
Large print books continue to be very popular, which kind of surprises me, but I also understand, particularly for individuals that are maybe not still quite comfortable with audiobooks, although audiobooks are also extremely popular.
There's a little bit of debate going on on whether if you've listened to an audiobook, is that really reading?
I would argue that it is.
But I think platforms like Libby and all of these other great services that we are able to really maximize our use of them in a in a kind of cost effective way because we are part of something called the British Columbia Library Cooperative, which is kind of a pool of all libraries in in the BC, 71 systems, and we collectively purchase licenses and products, so it really means that we can do more with more.
Next slide, please.
I mentioned again accessible design enhancements.
We're very, very focused on becoming, you know, being maintaining our role as a welcoming and secure space for all.
As my board chair noted, it is a challenging time right now, particularly in our downtown branch, but we're working very hard to kind of mitigate the impact.
We've uh added positions such as the safety and security coordinator, increased our security presence and a lot of training for staff, which is really, really important, updating our safety policies and working on such things as violence risk assessments for all of our branches.
Okay, next slide, please.
Looking ahead, um, we are looking at a new strategic plan framework for the board that that was approved in principle at the end of the year.
And we'll have more information about that coming with the new board, focuses on service excellence.
Also on our investment in people and culture.
Again, recruitment retention is challenging for all organizations these days, but again, particularly the changing environment and public libraries.
So we're we're working on that as our priority.
But while it's under construction, there is more pressure being placed on our other 11 branches.
While the Nelly McClun branch is closed for construction.
Next slide, please.
So just a few images of the central branch.
Next slide.
So now we'll get to the 2025 budget request and five-year plan package, which you've all received and I hope have had a chance to review.
Next slide, please.
Okay, so our 2025 budget request, and just to note that budget drivers include salaries and benefits, library materials, building occupancy costs, and other factors, which are described in the notes that are included in the package.
The overall system-wide municipal contribution amount increase requested for 2025 is 5.5 percent.
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That's across the municipalities.
What that means for the town of U Royal is a per capita increase of $2.22.
The overall total is $671,890.
So that the um the increase, as they say, works out to $2.22 per capita.
Just wanted to end to note that we are continuing to operate efficiently and effectively.
Our budget, as as Councillor Lemon and I believe Councillor Rogers will remember, is scrutinized quite quite thoroughly by our finance committee in terms of what we present to the board for approval in October.
It goes through quite a lot of lenses, and our staff do an excellent job of kind of coming up with what we can do that is the most cost effective way of providing these services.
Next slide.
This is a quote that I think is more important than ever right now in today's environment.
This is something that was written up in a book that came out of the UK, and it was a book just called the Library Book, but it was a series of essays by various authors on what libraries mean to them.
And I think it's worth reading out loud because it's really moving.
A library in the middle of a community is a cross between an emergency exit, a life raft, and a festival.
They are cathedrals of the mind, hospitals of the soul, theme parks of the imagination.
On a cold, rainy island, they are the only sheltered public place space where you are not a consumer but a citizen instead.
I think that's it's worth remembering these days.
So next slide, final slide is just to say thank you very, very much for your support.
And Melina, our associate director of um finance, is here to answer any questions along with myself.
So if Melina would like to come up, we'd be happy to answer any questions you have.
Thank you very much.
And thank you, uh Maureen, and thank you for uh um doing your bit for affordability uh as well, because we hear uh from our residents that you know affordability is right up there with healthcare and and other concerns.
So I think everybody has a part to play in that.
So thank you for doing that also please uh you know accept my gratitude for your staff i know that there's reading the recent article on security challenges that you're having there that's uh that's a big issue for staff to deal with so thank you all for um you know doing what you can uh under difficult circumstances uh colleagues questions start with council mackenzie thank you i have two questions if i may uh the first I would ask what would you say is the top driver of the increase that we we saw, you know, with the West Shore Parks and Rec.
They explained that salary is 80%, and there was a recent negotiation that caused that to go up and that they were increasing capital reserves.
So for the library, I was wondering if you could succinctly say what are the main drivers of the increase.
Sure, I'll start and then I'll ask Malita way in because I sometimes forget some of the details, but primarily it's also salaries for us as well, but also infrastructure costs.
I've talked a lot about the investment that we've made in digital resources.
Um libraries don't get a break when it comes to licensing products.
Um, you know, we're very grateful that we belong to a consortium, but even then, um, you know, the what you would pay for an ebook is way less than what we would pay for an e-book to have it available for circulation.
I know it it's kind of counterintuitive because you think, well, you're not producing anything on paper, it's all you know, vapor.
But um, in fact, there's huge costs associated with that.
Um, you know, uh operating the building, um, the cost for cleaning, costs for security have obviously gone up.
Um, I'm gonna just ask Melina maybe just to provide a little bit more detail in terms of the increased costs.
Yeah.
Hi, thank you.
Um, some of the the increased costs, as we said, salaries are are large, 80% of our our um our costs, so increases to those.
The collections are increasing about 4.3%, so they're slightly higher than the overall increase.
And mainly that's in the digital area.
We've actually moved um a percentage of our collections from physical over to um over to digital.
And there's so there's increases in demand, but also in some of the licensing structure for that.
Security is is an increase in cost.
It's increased to $138,000 very large percentage because we basically had to double our security that's required in our central branch.
It's another security guard plus we're offering some additional security services to our other branches in Greater Victoria.
There's also some increases in our digital our IT licensing that we need infrastructure.
We've had to do some developments over over several years over that area.
We are funding though from reserves, we have been saving into our reserves to fund some of these IT infrastructure changes as well.
If I could just if I could just add to at the same time we have been achieving some savings in terms of um you know efficient um more energy efficient kind of lighting and and retrofits and things like that.
But I think for me what what's really telling too as Melina talked about the collection costs the demand for print is not decreased right you know so so that's you you'd think that maybe okay well we're investing more in digital therefore the demand spending less on print and that's actually not the case.
So so costs are going up cleaning.
Cleaning's a big one.
We're so heavily used.
So I think there's quite a myriad.
As I say, we do have a breakdown in the package in terms of some of the specifics, but I hope that kind of gives you an overview.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yes, thank you so much.
And my second question, it's I believe the same one I asked last year.
Is it possible to get a breakdown of the users by municipality?
Yeah.
I know you asked that last year, and and we're we're we're trying to come up with a way that that's accurate.
It's it's hard again with the use of online resources and the disparity.
So many people are kind of using different branches at all times.
So I can tell you that um we have uh we have a project management office and and and we're working on business analysis to get better numbers.
And I'm sorry I can't give you anything more than that, but I I I am aware that that would be a very helpful number.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I had a quick one and i'll go then i'll go to you uh counselor rogers um one is can i um get my library card now entirely online or do i have to go somewhere at some point to pick it up at some point you do we we um one of the uh priorities for our new um website is is to have a more seamless um um um access point to do an online we were able to do that for a while and then again we have some legacy systems and that's one of the reasons we're um replacing the website it's just so that we can accommodate more online direct services.
Yeah.
Okay, perfect.
And uh I don't think right now, Scott, that we have an interface there like how you get a library card.
My concern about this is um uh is there a linkage it could be simply a page with a link to your site on it.
Um but my concern is just getting the message out there of availability of services that the town is you know uh providing uh resources to so that our citizens can get to you quicker and may and uh the one my motivation for saying this as well is that with all of our new construction we're inviting a lot of people that live in apartments that aren't necessarily as connected with the community.
So we we would love to work with you on that.
I I it wouldn't be that difficult.
And even if we can't do direct online, like it's we, you know, we um we had great success with the University of Victoria this past fall for their Thunderfest.
There, um, and we were there in person, um, interacted with thousands of students because interestingly, um the uh library was very um keen to have a presence from the public library because many of their students are looking for materials to read to maybe kind of take a break from learning.
And so that kind of thing we're we're very open to do.
And I'll make a note to talk to our comps person to talk to your admin because I I would love to do that.
Yeah, thank you.
Cheers.
Uh Councilor Rogers.
Yes, thanks, Ab.
As we do a drive to bring more um individuals to the library, we will be also bringing greater demand for the ebooks and the longer holds that will take 18, 20 weeks to finally get that gone with the wind or whatever.
So, you know, I that's what I noticed is that there's a huge demand, a very long wait list for books like James.
And um what's the um you know that's that's one of the things.
More people come on, the longer the wait list, the more demands to shorten that wait list, the more we have to invest in in the uh in the ebook realm.
How do we fix that?
Well, again, as I said, we do have the benefit of working with a provincial consortium.
Um, as you may remember, we we were um we received some kind of one time enhancement funding from the province, and I know I might ask uh our board chair to speak to the advocacy efforts that are going on right now um to to kind of advocate to the province to to support um more of what we're delivering.
Um would you like to speak to that, Andrew?
Because there was something at AVIC that came up that was quite cool.
Do you want to yeah?
Absolutely.
Uh thanks for the question, Counselor.
And and yeah, as as chair, one of my priorities has been to advocate for more sustainable core funding for public libraries.
Um it's worth reminding council and reminding the public that core funding for libraries has stayed static, has stayed for over 10 years.
Uh so as Maureen has described, and as we've described through the presentation, some of these new resources that are so in demand, you're you're absolutely correct, counselor.
We create demand for these these great new resources and these great things.
We need to have the resources to be able to continue to provide them.
Um, and as you've heard, uh, the complexity of operating the facility in terms of security and those types of things is also costly.
So that's been a priority for myself as chair.
We have taken it through the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities Conference and right to UBCM for those of you who are there.
I'm going to continue to do that.
I'm stepping down as chair, but I'm committed to still doing that as a council representative on the board.
And you're absolutely right.
We need additional resources to be able to shorten those wait times and provide more of those services.
So I'm I'm committed to continuing to do that, and I know the board has heard from me on that.
Thanks.
Yeah, if I may, um you know, and indeed, the the astonishing thing about um the G VPL is the um uh enormous range of uh materials like your your periodicals are astonishing.
And um, you know, it's a great resource to to pick up um on that I appreciate the budget your breakdown on pages um seven and eight are really important very useful uh helped put con things into context um you know we just um uh last year um decided to um terminate and say goodbye to our volunteer library which adds up to about the same amount that you're asking for in in the increase about 2000 20 uh eight thousand dollars um uh per year which is I think is a uh when you consider the per diem and the per capita uh rates is is entirely reasonable.
My big question, just like I asked the um uh West Share Aparch Rec, where the region West Shore is really growing.
Um what I don't see is a library in the Machosen Royal Bay area.
Is that being contemplated?
We'd love it.
Over to you.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, it's uh certainly um it it is a meet the the call of the municipalities.
Um certainly one thing the board has also looked at is um you know are there some alternative service delivery uh options that could be um um provided through partnerships?
And I know Councillor Lemon has been very very keen on on promoting that um notion, so I think that there's an opportunity, if not a full service bricks and mortars branch.
Is there is there a way we can have a a physical presence in in the West Shore in addition to the, you know, we have the um the two branches in Langford and one in Calwood, so we do have, you know, pretty pretty good profile there.
But um certainly, yeah, always open for new thoughts.
And again, I don't want to speak on behalf of the board.
Uh well, let me if I if I may, one of the uh key points is that we're we're also really pushing for arts and culture in the West Shore.
So that might be a very interesting partnership that would be most convenient, most useful, and and certainly reduce the driver frustration having to go downtown where the streets, who knows where you're going.
And I I I really appreciate the comments.
And just if I could uh just add to that, in terms of of branches, what we have seen, I think uh uh, you know, as a council representative myself, we're all well conscious of how much you know capital, you know, these things are expensive.
Large facilities are expensive and going up all the time.
One of the things from the West Shore perspective that I think I would reflect on in that case would be that one of the most popular and just consistently almost oversubscribed and very, very busy branches is the Gowdy branch, right in down essentially downtown Langford, right in the core of Langford, which is not a large, you know, physical space.
Um, often we could use it to be a bigger space than it is because it's so popular.
So I would also reflect on the idea of in terms of adding a branch, and a lot of times you can f uh provide a smaller service point as long as it's accessible to people, people will use it and where it's located is is significant.
So I think there's some really interesting lessons to be learned from a smaller branch like Gaudi in the West Shore that's really present in the community and people have quick access to, but not a huge standalone building.
So while I've you know, while I need I wanted a coffee, I needed a coffee, oh you know, maybe I'll I'll browse for a book before or after.
So you know that kind of service in conjunction with I think is maybe a possibility, you know, perhaps further down the road when we or when we get to Councillor Matson's motion later later in the agenda, you know, that that something like that could work.
But I I just want to say we are so fortunate we're so fortunate in this region to have the the leadership in the library system that we have in Maureen and her team.
You are you're just you know you're such professional and you're just such a such a blessing to the whole um to the whole region.
And Andrew, I'll just say that I I might say something again, she's your last maybe but he has been a fierce advocate of the of library funding.
And uh I I saw him at UBCM, just go for it.
And uh because it seems to me the funding, the core funding from the province hasn't increased since tw 2009, is it Maureen?
That's correct.
Yeah, so that's you know, 16 years now.
So that's that's just just wrong.
So it's on everybody else's back to to you know continue to have a growing, thriving, um, diverse, interesting um system.
Anyway, um, and and Andrew, you know, was a has been a really involved chair.
He he with the vice chair, um bicycled to every branch and spent time in every branch in the region over a period of a couple of weekends, I think it was.
That was all in one day, Councilor.
The goal was to hit all of the branches in one day.
We we managed to do it on the rainiest day of the summer.
Yeah.
Anyway, you good job, Andrew.
Um and I'm so glad that you're continuing on the board.
Thank you very much, Councillor.
Thanks again for your presentation.
If there's no other questions, uh we very much appreciate you coming out.
Maureen, Andrew, thank you again.
And uh we'll see you next time.
It's not before.
Next year.
Well I'm I'd just like to thank you for your support.
It really means so much.
And your your your words um will really resonate with the staff.
I will I and I think I would just like to end it like the staff is amazing.
Like we couldn't do what we're doing without the staff um at GBPL.
So I I think they also appreciate the recognition.
So thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thanks.
And I think next up in our last uh petition and delegation is Mr.
Giroux from CRD Admiral uh Animal Control.
Or am I wrong?
Oh sorry, I am, I skipped you.
Uh Kathy Kathy Easton from Foundry.
Um Kathy, please.
How was your vacation?
Last time we talked, you were on your way out to a vacation, and and now you're back.
My vacation was uh fantastic.
Thank you all.
I'll maybe make mention of it during my presentation.
Happy New Year.
So thank you for having me.
I think this is your first meeting of the year, and uh great to be a part of your um your meeting today.
Um I'm Kathy Easton.
I'm the director of implementation for the new foundry for Westhor Souk and Port Ramphre.
With me today is Sabrina Magnus, uh UVIC Practicum student, who's working on this uh foundry project with me over the next few months.
Really excited to have uh Sabrina with me, who has been taking training in public health, and uh which is a topic of interest to all of you because what keeps a community healthy is much of what you do as uh city counselors and and city staff.
So um my appreciation to you for all that you do to keep this community healthy.
Um regrets today.
Yes, uh next slide, thank you.
Regrets today from Scott Bradford, our uh executive director of Thrive.
I work for Thrive, they are the host agency for the foundry.
They're the uh I'll tell you a little bit more about the role of of a host agency and and about what a foundry is.
Um next slide, and we can go on to the next slide thank you for acknowledging the territory in your meeting earlier today uh foundry is part of a provincial national and international network of best practices uh that serve youth it uh aims to transform access to services for youth and brings together and integrates those services so that young people can access the services they need in one location your takeaway today, this is a one-stop access for youth, a safe place for them to uh come and get services uh for whatever they may need.
Thank you, Mayor Tobias, for uh asking about my vacation.
I was recently in Australia and had opportunity to visit Headspace.
Headspace is one of those international organizations that Foundry is based on.
And I went to a small community, Morwell in South East Australia, outside of Melbourne, where a Headspace has existed for over 10 years.
Youth in that community don't know a time when Headspace didn't exist.
And they will walk in there with any question that they have about their life, about their health, about their mental well-being, and they don't think twice about asking their questions.
They know that they'll be accepted and welcomed there.
And if the people that aren't that are on that day don't know how to help them, they know somebody who will, but they'll walk them through that.
So it was just an amazing opportunity to look at uh what is possible.
And so I have a vision now for 10 years from now when foundry is long established and our youth know they can go there and it's a safe place to be.
Foundries integrate services that currently exist.
So we work with all of the nonprofits and service providers in the region to bring all of that into one location.
That includes physical health, mental health, and substance use.
Often people talk about Foundry in the context of the substance use crisis and the toxic drug crisis as being one of the upstream solutions.
But it's more than that.
It is really a service, anything that youth need, we intend to have housed at a foundry.
We do receive funding for employment services and so all kinds of social services are offered through Foundry.
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Like you, we all want our citizens to thrive and be prosperous.
And this is an opportunity to start that and engage youth and let youth know they're an important part of our community and that we want them to be successful in life as well.
We know one organization and one municipality can't do it all.
We all are responsible, but we can't do it alone.
So we and we know that youth from equity deserving communities need additional supports, particularly our Indigenous youth in this community.
We do have a foundry already in Victoria, in downtown Victoria.
It's very busy.
Lots of youth from the across the entire region do access services in Victoria, but what the what has been recognized is we need another foundry in the Western communities to serve our youth because the youth that are able to get downtown from our communities are very small in numbers.
Next slide, please.
And I'll ask the digital team if they can get the video to play.
I think we sent the link in, so it's there uh for you to follow along at a later time.
Um foundries are designed by youth for youth, they're designed by their families.
We get a lot of community input.
And what you would see in this video is a very beautiful facility that respects youth and their importance in the community.
This one is one an example from Kelowna, but most of them have a similar look and feel.
They're very spacious, they're very welcoming, there's hangout space.
Uh, when I was in Australia, they had ping pong tables in the waiting room just in case they didn't youth didn't feel like talking, they could come in and play ping pong with one of the staff members.
Um, it's very, very youth friendly um space.
Um next slide, please.
Our foundry um application was one of the strongest that BC has seen.
Uh they provided that feedback to us, and it's because of the work of the Village Initiative.
Uh, the Village Initiative has been working together for many years now.
We have about 60 organizations that are a part of the Village Initiative.
It's a collaborative initiative where uh nonprofits, societies, service providers, health, municipality uh partners.
Um I would acknowledge West Shore Parks and BREC and the GVPL moorings, Maureen's a part of our village initiative and a strong advocate for youth.
The partners, when the call for a foundry came out, the partners quickly were able to come together and submit an application.
And those partners chose Thrive to be the host organization or the lead agency.
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That we need to have some elements in place in our governance.
One of them, uh, and our first piece was to start up the youth advisory council and the youth advisory circle.
Uh, we have 15 youth who participate monthly in a youth advisory circle, and they advise on all aspects of the project.
They have uh provided some very strategic uh advice around the location of a hub in the West Shore, as well as satellite clinics for SUK and Port Renfrew.
And specifically, they would like to see the larger hub be located in downtown Langford or Calwood close to the bus exchanges, or potentially a third neighborhood up around Belmont where there's also really good bus service.
And these are neighborhoods that are friendly for youth.
There's a reason that youth might be in that neighborhood.
It's non-stigmatizing for them to come to that neighborhood.
It wouldn't be like people would have eyes on them and they're, oh, they're going to the foundry to get help.
They already are using those neighborhoods.
So most of the service providers who are interested in providing service at the foundry also agree those three neighborhoods are the location.
That started up in November.
The next meeting is coming up next Monday.
Leadership advisory is what we call our barrier buster table.
So we uh invite a representative from View Royal Council to participate in our leadership advisory.
There are participants from Langford Colwood, and every service provider who is intending to provide service in the foundry, their executive director or their delegate is also attending leadership advisory.
We have several working groups.
We've got a very specific working group on space.
We've engaged with uh Wiser Projects, Kaylee Wiseman to lead the capital work.
Um as you have noted several times tonight, West Shore is a very fast-growing region, and so to find a location for a foundry is going to be one of our most difficult challenges, and we'll set the timeline to opening of the service.
And we have added an Indigenous advisory table to our advisory and governance structure.
It is important to ensure that we have space for Indigenous health and healing practices.
And without having Indigenous advisory, we couldn't possibly do that appropriately without them.
Next slide.
As a host agency, Thrive is fiscally responsible for the Foundry.
We participate on meetings with Foundry BC.
So we're responsible for the capital project as well as fundraising, any other aspects of the project, making sure the governance and all the infrastructure is there, making sure we have youth and family engagement at every step along the way.
And we're responsible for communications as well as when the center opens, operating the center.
Next slide.
Foundry is a provincial initiative.
We're very well supported.
It starts with some federal transfer dollars coming to the province, flowing through the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Mental Health and Addictions, and the employment funding coming through a poverty reduction strategy and BC.
So we have multiple ministries funding and supporting foundries across the province.
Open and they're planning to open 10 more.
So in our phase, which is phase five, the fifth round of announcing foundries, they're expecting 11 more foundries to open, and they have a mandate to open a certain number over the next few years, and that number escapes me.
We did get 200 up to $200,000 in year one for startup funding to start the project off, hire me and get the advisory tables up and running.
We uh receive will receive up to $1.5 million in capital to build the to tenant improvements or invest in a building.
And then once the center is open, we should receive a million dollars a year in operating.
They say up to a million for a community of our size.
We anticipate that operating budget will be a million.
That will pay for our leasing costs or other infrastructure as well as potentially an admin or a coordinator.
It doesn't pay for as much staff as we know we need in the West Shore, but over time with some fundraising and the partnership of the of the service providers, we anticipate a strong fundraising campaign to fill the gaps in need in across the West Shore.
Next slide.
So it my purpose today is just to introduce the project to you to let you know this exciting service is coming to the West Shore for your youth and ours across the region.
To let you know that you're welcome to our leadership advisory table.
We know that View Royal Youth View Royal Youth will likely choose a West Shore location to receive services, anticipating that the drive into Victoria is probably going to be more challenging for youth than coming to a Calwood or Langford site.
And to let you know that we are looking for space.
We have are leaving no stone unturned in looking for that space.
On the slide deck, there is um we are looking for through up to 30,000 square feet for not just the foundry 10,000 for foundry as well as um all of the partners in the village are looking for space.
Many of these nonprofits actually have capital to invest and so um we are like I said no stone unturned we are looking for a lease of up to eight to ten thousand for the foundry potentially more space up to 30 000.
And we are exploring with a partner an opportunity with BC builds uh to do a housing and service build.
That timeline um could be quite lengthy, but you know, given the landscape of West Shore and the building that's occurring, uh we may have to build in order to get uh a site for a foundry.
Um I am open to hearing any questions and uh comments.
I know I brew I breeze through that.
Um so if you haven't heard about foundry I'm I'm happy to answer any other questions.
Thank you.
Uh Kathy and uh uh colleagues, we've um counselor Brown has accepted kind of adding youth to his portfolio.
So I think one of your first milestones is to get a municipal leadership um organization kind of together.
So um so counselor Brown will be the conduit for us to kind of the foundry and get them started.
Counselor Brown had a question, comment?
Yeah, thank you for that.
Yeah, it's hard to believe someone old as crusty as me to be the youth person, but I've always been really involved with youth throughout my policing career because I was a school liaison officer, really involved with school boards for 12 years.
So uh by all means, please keep in touch and and uh be advised, like like to be sitting on that group, uh the your advisory group.
Fabulous.
Welcome.
Okay, thank you.
Any questions at all for Kathy?
Counselor Rogers, please.
Yeah, thank you very much.
Um really good information that you provided.
The uh the YouTube videos for uh what is it, Langley, Surrey, Kelowna.
Um, those will be useful for the context.
I also understand that you're um down on Yate Street.
Uh so uh one of the issues for some of our view of residents, it's not worth their time and effort to go west.
Uh the transit service is quite pathetic in that regard.
So um, you know, yeah, I would hope that um the young people that can go downtown are aware of what you have in terms of facilities there and and participate with that.
I'm also interested that you've um you're, you know, we have the foundry, but you also have the village initiative.
So I'm still trying to get orientated as to who does what, where, and when.
Uh fabulous.
Um I the village initiative is one of those things that it's hard to wrap your head around.
It is a network of 60 organizations, primarily nonprofits, but also municipal partners, government, health, MCFD, public health, within Island Health.
And it is a network of people who commit to collaborating and not competing for scarce resources.
So for example, when the foundry opportunity came up, that network quickly came together.
They said, okay, here's the people who know what they're doing with youth.
They submitted the application together.
That uh submission committee said who's who's most able to take this project on.
And a number number of participants, Boys and Girls Club, Pacific Center Family Services, others said, okay, no, we can't do it.
Thrive Year Uh to take the lead on this.
So that's where the village provides that um kind of support and and uh network across the region, but uh where Thrive actually is responsible for the foundry.
Another comment.
Um I I'm again, I'm looking at what the Foundry for Victoria and and H Street and the uh partnerships that you have.
I'm really pleased that MCFD is a is a partnership for that.
One of the huge problems with MCFT and and youth probation is that they go to exile the youth over to Burnaby whenever they uh they are have to go to remander in custody or so forth and uh to tear those in youth away from their families and their support networks.
Um I really hope that the the foundry is able to address that critical shortage and and uh uh let's say um vacuum.
Thank you.
Yes, MCFD's um at the table for our West Shore Foundry.
Uh in fact, I think three of them showed up at the last meeting of various departments within MCFD.
Uh we are I am responsible for the West Shore Foundry.
We maintain a a relationship with Victoria because it is the capital region.
People don't recognize boundaries um other than you know where it comes to bylaws and taxation.
But and our youth actually, even within the West Shore, don't recognize, you know, the boundaries of Collit or Langford.
They they will go where they need to go to get help.
There is also Foundry has virtual services.
So in the meantime, while we work to build the West Shore Foundry with satellite hubs in Souk and Port Renfrew, there are virtual services available, and they they were not adequate when they first opened, but we're hearing really good things about them.
Youth, you actually get to talk to human uh families can call the virtual services and get supports as well.
And that's a broad sense of family, not just parents.
Thank you.
Uh Councilor Rogers, if there's no other questions, Councillor Lemon.
Just a quick comment.
My six years in council, it's the first time I've heard a presenter say we are very well supported.
So it was wonderful to hear.
I I thought you might enjoy that after the last two requests for funding.
We're not we're not seeking funding, but we are seeking your partnership and support.
We know we know that View Royal youth feel as much a part of the West Shore as other youth and Calwood and Langford and and across the region.
This is this is an example of a service that is a regional service.
Um so really important to have have you aware that this is coming.
Thank you, Kathy.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Um and now I think it brings you brings us down to uh Officer Trulu uh for the CRD Animal Control Update.
Thanks, Officer.
Thank you, Mayor Tobias, Memory Council.
Thank you for having me.
And again, I reiterate happy new year.
We're all here to enjoy this next year.
I know I'm gonna be here for your stuff with me for another year.
Anyways, I hope that you have um a copy of the stats that you normally get.
I did ask to have the font increased, but uh as I see here today, uh I I don't know if it's enough.
So I apologize for that.
And I'll and we are we are looking at maybe changing this sort of this entire stat sheet for this year.
So I'll I'll I'll hopefully next time I I come before you there'll be something a little bit more presentable and easier to read.
Um again, that's the they reflect this the the stats for the year, uh last year 2024, and of course the final quarter from October to December there.
Um I guess the highlights, uh obvious highlights for this, you'll you'll notice at the the last column, the the hours, total hours uh that we spent in View Royal uh exceeded what the contractual obligations are but of course the comparator the year before we were a little bit lean so and I think I mentioned to you uh sometime earlier in 2024 that you know I would crack the whip and we would change this and obviously it did so which is nice to see um okay um what I normally bring to your attention is I've got probably three sort of highlights are are the of course the dog attacks in the last quarter there was there was all there were only two which was nice to see if I if I was standing before another municipality that number would be double for some so uh View royal's doing well which which I I don't know can I don't know why I don't know if it's because we're around a lot uh but um out of those two attacks uh one was in a park uh dogs being off leash obviously contributing factor to this uh fortunately both attacks were dog on dog and uh minor injuries to the animals and I believe uh in one case of course the the two the owners of the two dogs you know got together and they sort of amicably worked it out which is good to see we don't often see that and uh another one was um where uh yeah where some yeah somebody didn't have control of their dog and uh had a bit of a history.
So of course we ended up having to issue some process, a ticket normally, and and ensure that that dog was licensed.
The other dog attacked, both dogs were licensed, which was nice, nice to see.
Um and the only other significant thing I thought I would mention today is uh we were called uh back in I think it was the end of December to assist uh the fire department, I believe, reached out to us because there was a fire in View Royal, and unfortunately one of the uh pets was found deceased.
So uh and and we often get called to help for that, and we respond and and we we we took that dog away um after the firefighters brought it out, of course, and um, you know, we liaised with the owner, and the owner asked us to hold on to the dog so that they could, you know, get their life together.
It's because their house burnt down.
Uh so after a short period of time, um, you know, we have to eventually reach out and say, you know, what do you want to do with this dog?
Right?
I mean, cremation or what have you.
And of course, we were met with the the challenges that they they would obviously have financially.
So uh my uh my senior admin clerk, which who have you met before, Coral, who's been spoken before you here before, she reached out to some agencies and explained the situation and um was fortunate enough to get those services, which can be that comes at a cost, you know, you average $200 just to just to cremate your animal and of course get a memento.
So we did that.
We went ahead and did that for uh for the the owner.
So so it's kind of a it's you know it's a feel good kind of story, but it's uh it does reflect um certainly that young lady that works uh with me, or sometimes I think for me, or you know, I work for her, but um that is a reflection of what we like to do.
Uh not always giving people tickets, but you know, we we've got that other other side because I'm sure you've heard uh, you know, there's uh the the role of a bylaw officer, uh, the landscape is changing daily.
And that's kind of the tough side of the story is that you know, we we are actually going through a change at the office.
We're we're we're kind of going through some growing pains and hiring more staff because we have to.
We we have to to keep up with the expectations of society and and of course to manage all our contracts with the different municipalities, but um also trying to look at a way to mitigate having to call the police all the time to help us deal with you know uh contentious issues in parks because someone doesn't want to license their dog or lease their leash their dog or what have you.
So that's that's what we're going through.
With that came again, change, as I said.
Uh so we've had uh last year we had three officers who had been working for us for sh just somewhere between a year and a half and two years.
Three of them have all moved on to policing.
So uh you know I I I sort of take pride in that that you know they were able to cut their teeth in bylaw and secure some pretty good careers as Counselor Brown knows and myself.
And I'm very proud of them.
And but we got new people coming in and we got some great uh candidates and we're hoping to hire them full time and become less dependent on auxiliaries and and have uh people who are hired full time and therefore raise our bench strength so that we can deal with issues in a more timely manner, which is better overall for all these contracts.
Um short of that, um we did add you, I think one of the counselors asked in the uh someone asked for dog licenses we've added now on the on your sheets on the back.
Um, and we added the um the dangerous dogs.
I think somebody wanted to know, inquired about how many dangerous dogs do you have at any given time.
So those numbers are there.
Um again, uh it's it's nice to see that they're only three.
Trust me, in some of the other municipalities that those numbers are far greater and and they are very onerous for us to investigate.
Um, and of course, the licensing kind of holding steady, but you know, slowly um we're slowly increasing the compliance um we are all we're evolving this department's evolving so we're we're uh I think somebody else some one of my predecessors talked about online payments and that kind of stuff this is what we're we're working towards that end to make it easier if we can sell a dog license out in the field we'd like to be able to do that because strike while the iron's hot um and short of that I think unless you tell me about questions I'm I'm here to answer them feel free.
Thanks for your report and I note that there's been some kind of the opposite going on too.
You've had police officers that have become animal bylaw.
We might know some of those folks.
So maybe that might be a recruiting venue for you to look at.
Uh yeah, oh, retiring police officers that want to be involved with the animal control.
Very good point, huh?
Counselor Brown, go ahead.
If if I remember right, I think I negotiated the last contract Bureau Royal has for animal control.
Now I'm well, not exactly on the other side of the table, but uh obviously people are gonna ask, you know, I we I kind of have an idea of what we pay last year.
So how much more are we going to be paid in 2025?
And when is the contract up for renewal?
Must be soon.
End of 2027, and it is a good question.
Uh, I will be approaching um the CAO probably this year to have start those discussions because yeah, absolutely the um the cost of business.
Well, you heard it here already uh this afternoon everywhere is going up.
So we're we're we're just working out a model so that everything is apportioned appropriately based on the community and you know what what your expectations are what the stats reflect and we'll hopefully have a number for you and and I'll and I'll be happy to certainly present it uh when the when the time comes sir please yeah I noted you've impounded 14 cats uh how do you catch cats we we actually have a uh cat cat trap program so we would loan out a or you gent officer will attend the location and turn over the trap, loan the trap to a citizen, explain how it works, and then they put it out there and and they just we just say call us when the cat's there and we go and sometimes people often people bring it to us.
They come right to my office and here I got the cat and away we go.
Counselor Roger.
Um thank you for the report.
Really useful.
And the breakdown per park uh is also very useful.
And I do note that there was a substantial increase of of uh investigative hours, you know, for the VRL as a whole.
Again, excellent breakdown.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Thank you.
Uh any other questions from colleagues?
Seeing none.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate your time.
And I think that brings us down to public participation period.
There's anybody here that would like to address council.
Carl, we got any um forms filled out of questions or comments for council.
Mayor Tobias, we're showing no comments on the form board at this time.
Excellent.
Thank you very much, sir.
And I think that brings us to our public uh safety report.
Is that you, Paul?
Good afternoon, Mayor, members of council.
Before you, the public safety report for November and December of 2024.
Things I just want to highlight on.
Um fire prevention.
Nice to see that Jeff and his crew managed 100% completion of all their inspections this year.
The one reportable fire was the Island Highway fire, which displaced a total of 11 residents from two families.
That family unfortunately had been displaced about a year earlier from another fire on Songheese Nation, and then were displaced again with this fire.
Thankfully, they were looked after through our ESS team and then the uh food drive that the association and the uh local 5419 did this year.
Um $7,500 and a couple hundred pounds of food.
So that was a welcome donation at the West Shore Food Bank.
Umergency Management Program, just want to recognize the uh some awards for some of our ESS and radio volunteers, as well as our radio group.
Uh Ed McCarthy did several years uh running that group, and he's now stepped down.
Uh that was um he was part of the integration of the Callwood and View Royal municipalities into one uh organization, uh, one radio group.
Um, touching on bylaw, um, a fairly steady year for bylaw.
As I mentioned in some of my previous reports, some of our challenges were mostly surrounding our um our homeless population, which seems to have uh balanced out as we move into the winter.
We do have uh one group that's posing uh a bit of a workload for Brad right now.
Um, but he's working with the ICF.
They're they're located on ICF and MOT property uh near Atkins and Bryden.
Uh Brad's been working with ICF.
They're under new leadership there, and they're far more responsive to cleaning up their property, installing signs, and and working with the police to uh have those people move on.
It's a challenge.
Um it's like anything if you move a homeless person from one location, they simply move to a different location, and it becomes either our problem again or it becomes another community's problem.
But Brad seems to be uh doing well in in moving these people along and then uh working with them to find uh accommodations.
Uh statistically, um a record year for View Royal, uh just shy of 1,300 emergency calls, which is um is higher than last year at just over a thousand.
That can be attributed to our new logic in working with uh Callwood, Langford Nisquimalt, where we've uh responded in their area uh several times.
And conversely, as you know, with the uh the two recent fires, um we received their services.
So working with um Chiefs Aubrey and Chief Irwin over in Callwood and Langford, we balanced, we we reviewed the numbers and and we're almost on par at a reciprocal agreement where they're responding into View Royal as much as we're responding into the West Shore.
And of course, uh with the addition of a squimalt into the West Shore Matrix, things are going very well.
So we're meeting all our our response logics and timings for uh delivering a number of firefighters to emergency scenes within the uh the recommended guidelines.
Um pretty good year, 2024.
Um several of our members were hired full-time uh with mainland and local departments, which is always encouraging but disappointing.
Our paid-on-call numbers are solid.
We just uh finished a recruiting class, we're taking on uh six new paid-on-call members.
Uh as you know, we're um at strength with our career staff, and uh we'll have a new career assistant chief starting on February 3rd.
Um he joins us from the Oak Bay Fire Department.
His name's uh Chris Malinowski.
He was born and raised in View Royal, spent the first two years of his uh firefighting career as a volunteer in View Royal, three years as a paid member, and then 23 years in Oak Bay, where he's leaving.
There is their assistant chief in charge of administration.
Uh he'll be coming over and starting with us on February 3rd.
So we're uh we're pleased to have Chris coming back into View Royal.
It's uh it's a very exciting time for us and for him and his family as well.
Um other than that, uh busy couple of weeks for the fire department.
Um I would comment on the uh the Damon drive, but that'll fall into January.
But I want to thank our partners with the RCMP.
That was a very complex file, and it's still ongoing with uh many tentacles and and leads that they're working on.
Um and they've worked closely with our investigators to conclude obviously the cause, but uh moving forward, hopefully we can um they can uh formulate some arrests and we can put that behind us.
So I'm open to any questions and uh more than happy to answer.
Let's go with counselor rogers and lemon and brown, please.
Yeah, thank you.
Um first off, Paul, uh very impressed with the uh the report from Bilo giving us the perspectives on how matters are being dealt with, and particularly the uh organizations and agencies by uh that uh uh that are involved with and and uh teaming up with and and addressing these issues yeah so um very helpful to see that that huge list that's quite amazing um second point is um as you know um on the new business we have a resolution with respect to uh uh to go to a b i cc will you be around to uh to speak to that or i wonder if your worship you can i'll be I'll be here for that all yeah perfect thank you well that reduced my two questions to one so so thank you um Paul I totally outside of your presentation here.
I think the catastrophe in Los Angeles has made us many of us, perhaps all of us, feel you know, it can happen anywhere, you know, there's there's there's no there's no um as surety that you know you that that a firestorm can't just take over the region.
Do we have an evacuation plan?
We do.
I mean if you if you look at what happened in Los Angeles um I mean you're you're probably dealing with one of the largest organized fire departments in in their country you know next to the east coast that happened so quickly I even their evacuation plans didn't work.
I mean people just there was just too many people and nowhere to go.
And it happened so quickly.
I mean, it'll be interesting to see the debriefs on this and and and where where the successes and the failures were.
Um, I mean, that's that's one of the keys.
When when when emergency officials say it's time to evacuate, that's when it's time to evacuate.
And I think people tend to not heed those warnings.
And then there was the circulation of false information and people weren't sure if there were legitimate evacuation alerts and whatnot.
So we do have an evacuation plan.
We have evacuation routes.
Um, but you know, like anything, if it's uh if it's not practiced or it's not uh if it's not known, then then people don't know.
So I mean that's something I can I can look into.
But yeah, it's it's it's a complete mess down there.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Sir Brown.
Kudos to your group on your food drive.
It was awesome.
The uh I had some items to take there.
I needed to freezer.
So I went to talk to the manager on Monday after, and she said she's amazed.
They could barely open the door that you guys pick up so much stuff.
And it was just great.
Yeah.
Great generosity.
The kids the kids in the neighborhood just love it when the fire truck comes across to pick up stuff.
That was awesome.
No, it was a it was a it was a good day and good work between the association, the volunteers, and the uh the career members.
It was uh it was a good year.
The the money, I think they get two or three to one spending power on their money, so 7,000 is probably 14 or 15,000.
So great day.
Great day, yeah.
Thanks, Councillor Brown.
Uh Councillor Matson, please.
Yes, again, thanks for all your good work.
I won't go on any more on that one, but I'm just curious, the island highway fire.
Did yes, did was there a cause?
Do you know the cause?
Yes.
Can you tell me the cause?
No.
I I I'll I'm more than happy to share it with you in camera.
Yeah, there's just some there's some nuances, and I'll I'm more than happy to share it with you.
Thanks.
And the last uh point I had, I note uh under your annual statistics for 2024, you actually have a category for dumpster fires, which which is impressive.
But it more uh concerning though is they've doubled since last year.
I never knew even knew we had sixteen dumpsters in View Royal, but uh that could also include miscellaneous organization.
I mean, if I if I'm if I'm copying my colleagues in the police, I can say that's a that's a two hundred percent increase, and we're gonna be looking for funding because the uh call volumes are up so substantially, two to three hundred percent increase in some of our I mean boat calls went from one to three.
That's a Damian, could you help me with that percent increase?
It's huge, I know.
And so I believe you coined the phrase dumpster fire for another event, another group of the year.
I think it was for America e com 911, but uh but yeah, specifically.
Uh I didn't include that stat.
17 dumpster fires.
Yeah, I would I wouldn't mind if we were tracking um, you know, any service challenges we've got with 911, because that will come under scrutiny.
Like if you could call any dropped calls, uh anything associated with uh any delay, because uh as my colleagues aware, that there is a pending and significant increase in uh requisition to the town, which would work out to about $90 a household if it's uh passed.
That's a download from the provincial and federal government.
The concern is, of course, the governance structure uh that's associated with it is still centered around the founding municipalities in the southern mainland, one of which Surrey is no longer participating, uh at least for its uh RCMP in it.
So we don't have much say in it.
So uh the mayors got together for uh everybody affected in the South Island and uh did up a letter, and there'll be a press release kind of following that.
And the specific ask is we're not gonna pay anything until um the study is done that the provincial government has ordered on e com and uh that the ask is they continue to fund until governance and other challenges are sorted out.
Great.
But I thought I would add that to this part because I think it's uh it on its own would represent about a two percent or more tax increase for our folks.
Yeah, good.
I'm I'm glad that letter's going forward.
I sat in in a meeting with the CAO and other mayors, and it was disappointing to hear the lack of accountability and and lack of projected vision and expenses.
Well, at UBCM and and before that, the uh then minister responsible said um you know there there would be a surprise um that would um you know pleasant news that would be occurring after the election.
So we've received our Christmas present, and so now we're just ready.
Surprise.
Yeah, surprise.
Um so thanks again, Paul.
Appreciate that.
Thank you all.
And I think that brings us to a rezoning.
So that's 81B for uh 2206 uh development permit.
Leanne, are you taking that first?
Or is that is that all you, Wayne?
Or Sterling, sorry.
Good evening, Chair and members of the committee.
I'll be presenting on rezoning file 2022 uh six and development permit 2024 uh five for the properties 14 14 Humpkin Road and 6th Camden Avenue.
Uh Merit Tobias, you did acknowledge that uh the applicant and owner, Wayne Hopkins, is in the room as long uh as well as uh Rob uh his his architect.
So they'll be available to answer questions if there are any uh at the end of the presentation.
The presentation is for um uh a review of the uh these two files and it is only for uh receipt of information uh for tonight.
So we'll go through the uh go through the application.
And Leanne, could you so as a disconnect between the uh the clicker and the there we go.
Perfect.
Um so getting into this.
Um the uh yeah purpose of this is to um look at uh rezoning application.
Um this is to rezone the properties from their current zone of uh R1B to a new zone, a new uh comprehensive development zone.
Um this uh, if approved, would be for the construction of two blocks of townhouses for a total of 12 uh dwelling units.
And staff may re or sorry, council may recall that this was presented back in January of 2024.
A slightly different application that was for an apartment building of three stories and 27 units.
Since that time, uh the applicant and staff have worked uh at length to revise the application, and uh they've come back with a different uh different proposal.
Um uh that's something in in more in line with uh what they were wanting to do with the lands.
Um and this is a bit of an overview of what that looks like.
So two-story, three-story, uh, two three-story townhouse buildings.
Um the 12 uh units will have a flex space that can be uh made into an additional bedroom, uh, a rec room, office, gym, etc.
Uh, each uh unit has a single vehicle garage.
Uh each uh each of the units will have uh a private backyard or or front yard, as well as the uh site will have uh two on site green spaces, one of which will be a communal garden gathering space.
Uh so there are uh uh there's a uh uh plans to have a picnic table or picnic tables and uh gardening beds uh in one area, and then there's another guard uh green space on site that will serve as a general uh green space, but may also function as a off uh leash dog area on the property um and speaking with Wayne the intent with this uh this design is to really cater towards uh young professionals and family moving into the community uh really capitalizing on the proximity of the site to uh the Galloping Goose Trail, uh Victoria General Hospital and Eagle Creek uh shopping village which is all in very close proximity.
As you'll see on this um this slide here we have a bit of an overview uh aerial imagery showing the site highlighted in red, three properties, and see my mouse up here is uh Eagle Creek, and then um along uh Helmkin Road there, and to the south of that would be uh Galp and Goose Trail.
The area is um uh kind of characterized by a mix of different uses, so certainly commercial and uh a range of different residential uh uses as we see development in this area uh also known as the Northern Community Corridor, uh recognized as a growth area in the community.
So we're see starting to see uh uh new development.
You'll see uh a site actually to the north.
That's the uh the aspire building, uh so multifamily, uh multifamily to the uh the north.
Um from a uh land use and zoning perspective, the the three uh sites that are or three parcels of land that would be uh subject to rezoning and development.
Uh they're all designated mixed residential in the official community plan.
And um they're all zoned R1B.
The current use for uh 14 Helmkin, uh it is a vacant lot.
14A Helmkin has a single family dwelling, it is not occupied.
And in speaking with Wayne, the plan is to uh demolish that building.
There's been ongoing um uh back and forth with the property owner and uh fire and police, just given the uh uh kind of uh I'll call it um uh persons wanting to live in there that are maybe not uh supposed to be.
And uh Sixth Camden also has a single family dwelling, and Wayne has been in uh lengthy discussions with those uh uh occupants about the rezoning application.
Regards to uh the lands uh adjacent to the site, uh like I said, there's a mix of uh different uh residential uses, uh, all of them mixed uh mixed residential and uh a variety of different zones, uh largely uh a uh higher density uh to the uh to the north and to the east, and single family to the uh west and south of the property.
With respect to the application, it's uh uh compliance with the official community plan.
There is no official community plan amendment required.
The application is consistent from a land use perspective, um, and that being uh in the mixed residential land use designation, uh, it complies with uh being a small lot uh or townhouse development uh that permits up to three stories and a density of 1.25 FSR.
The application uh in front of uh committee is proposing uh three stories and a 1.21 uh FSR.
Staff do note that higher density could be achieved.
Um, so apartments uh of up to four stories and a density of uh 1.6 FSR could be achieved without amendment to the uh official community plan.
The uh 12 townhouse units would be a strata.
And in speaking with Wayne, there is no proposed affordable or below market housing units for this proposal.
That being said, the mix the addition of 12 two bedroom units plus flux space does further advance the town's objective in meeting the housing target order that the town now has to satisfy over the next five years, as well as the housing needs requirements, another housing requirement that has come down from the the province via the uh housing legislation.
The existing uh tenants in the um in the building are are not subject to the uh the tenant assistance policy and this is because the policy uh requires a um a requirement uh of I believe four or more uh units um but I know that Wayne has been speaking with them about the the timeline of the application and um the kind of the next steps in terms of what this process looks like.
Under the uh the town's community vendor contribution uh policy there would be uh a recommendation for four thousand dollars per residential unit for a total of forty thousand dollars uh collected uh this would uh be recommended be secured through legal agreement.
Uh 10% of those funds would be uh given to the Capital Regional District for their uh housing trust fund.
And staff are also recommending that the uh two on-site green spaces be secured through a legal agreement, and um that would be uh what is shown in the landscape plan, which was uh attached to the report.
Very complex table and a lot of information to be shown on the slide.
What I wanted to illustrate here was the uh comparison uh between the existing R1B zone and the proposed uh CD uh zoning.
You'll see that the lock coverage is very similar.
We're looking at about a one percent difference greater than what is uh permitted in the R1B zone.
Uh the impermeable surface coverage is uh 48% compared to what would be permitted 60% in their R1B zone.
The applicants achieved a lower total impermeable surface area by providing a large amount of permeable uh surface on the property, so impermeable papers for the dry vial and for the uh the backyards.
And the other thing that uh staff want to note is the um the overall uh uh compatibility with the um the setbacks.
Um staff note that the the setbacks for the flanking and side yard are quite similar, uh and there's a slight reduction to the front um and a variance would be included in the rear yard setback which I'll get to in the uh later in this uh PowerPoint there are um uh bicycle parking spaces included in the uh in each of the units so each unit will have two uh spaces that are covered and there is also um class two parking uh bicycle parking at the front of the um uh of the uh development staff also wanted to note that from a density be per density perspective um what the applicant is proposing would be also achievable under SMA uh in terms of the amount of units so um under SMA, if there was a proposal to come in for each of the properties, up to four units could be developed, which is similar to what the applicant is proposing.
The benefit of going through the rezoning process is that we are able to achieve a more unified site design and capitalize on space, not so much uh hard hard surface and greater option or opportunity to preserve uh on site trees.
That was the um the review for the the rezoning uh aspect of this application.
Uh the next section will be kind of reviewing the the development permit.
Uh is it it would be a development permit with variances.
So to start things off, uh the mixed residential design guidelines is applicable under a development permit area.
Um staff uh note some of the uh some of the things that they reviewed in this application.
Uh, is that the proposal uh provides ground-oriented uh buildings set back from Helmkin.
Uh there's uh certainly a visual appeal that uh blends uh with the um with the existing neighborhood, uh provides a unified traditional architectural style, so peaked roofs, which are very common in in uh residential development.
Uh the applicants worked with a uh local uh uh landscape uh professional that uh has proposed a large number of native uh species uh i believe the entirety of uh the vegetation proposed is not 100% native and there are a mix of native and non-native uh forest species that staff believe will enhance the urban uh forest um the uh design elements uh of the um of the building staff do note that could be improved on the uh on the flanking yard so facing Camden and the side yard facing uh Helmkin just to reduce the appearance of a single wall face and uh I'll show that in a moment.
This is a site plan of the proposed building, or proposed buildings rather um so the top building uh building A has uh units one through seven, and the bottom building, building B has units uh eight through twelve.
The access is off of uh Camden Avenue, and uh uh vehicles would enter and exit off of uh Camden uh into uh the garage spaces.
Um there is front entry into the building from Helmkin Road, um and there is uh rear yards, uh backyards for the uh units eight to twelve on that uh back onto um eight uh Camden Avenue.
This is the proposed uh design of the buildings.
Um the mixed materials include a uh kind of a uh fiber cement for um the main construction material as well as uh corrugated metal and the elevations here shown uh so building a with north elevation would be from uh helmkin road and the south elevation would be from the uh the drive aisle uh the building b north elevation would be from the drive aisle and the uh building B south elevation would be the rear yard facing onto uh 8 Camden Avenue.
The uh note about the single wall uh face uh appearance was applicable to this slide here uh staff had been in discussions with the applicant about uh potentially um increasing articulation on the building just to break up that uh the wall face particularly the west elevation this would face um the uh property 16 humpkin so one down from the uh uh the the the properties on hunkin road uh the east elevation uh would be facing Camden Avenue the applicants provided a uh detailed landscape plan.
Like I said, there's a mix of uh native species and uh not a native species.
What I wanted to draw attention to in this slide was the uh two green spaces that were proposed on the site.
The one in the uh the bottom left hand of the screen is the uh proposed uh communal space.
So there is a uh uh proposal to have uh gardening beds and uh benches or picnic tables there, and in the top right of the screen.
Sorry, my mouse doesn't seem to be working, but top right of the screen is where the um the other proposed green space is, and that would be where the uh off like uh off leash uh dog area uh is the off leash dog area would be uh fenced in.
Um the communal garden space would be at the rear of the park property.
Um this is designed for uh residents only, it's not uh designed for uh for the the general public so that's why they're not considered uh considered amenity uh uh contributions for the uh for the purpose of uh uh calculation before I get into the variances I did want to clarify uh a couple corrections that were made um after the report was uploaded.
Uh uh Wayne and I had uh a conversation yesterday and clarified a few things.
Uh the first clarification I'll make is to a uh a variance that's no longer applicable, and that's for the width of a parking space.
That was previously noted as I believe variance number three in the report.
So that's no longer the going to be applicable for this file.
That was just a matter of uh reviewing the uh the zoning bylaw again and having a more detailed discussion in terms of what was uh shown in the drawings.
The second uh correction is for the uh number of uh parking spaces required uh to be varied for small car parking spaces.
Uh it is instead of um five uh four to five, or sorry, from three to five, it's now four to five, so only a difference of one space.
There still is a variance though.
There are uh total four total of four uh variances for this uh file.
The first is going to be for a uh rear yard setback, which is to reduce the rear uh rear yard setback from six to three meters.
Um staff do support this variance um given the position and orientation of the building as shown in the uh the rezoning application.
The reason that the variance is required is from a procedure point of view, uh staff uh are cognizant that council may move forward with the rezon rezoning.
Uh so the rezoning could be successful.
However, the uh development permit could be unsuccessful, and we want to avoid a situation where there's a uh potential misalignment between the design and what was proposed in the the rezoning.
At the end of the presentation, I'll maybe briefly discuss uh next steps in terms of how uh this would come forward uh as the I believe the first concurrent application that uh this council will be reviewing.
But that is a summary of that variance.
And on screen here it is just showing what that what that variance looks like.
So on screen shows a three meter setback and what uh what the variance would be was uh is is for that three meter setback from six meters.
The second is for the as I briefly said the amount of small car parking um the variance is to increase the amount from 30 to 38% or an increase from four to five spaces.
Staff do not support this variance.
And one of the drivers for this is the concern that increasing the number of number of small car parking spaces in a development that contains two plus bedroom units and is largely the idea being catered towards family may see a greater demand for larger vehicles.
Staff we town cannot control the the size of the vehicle that would be purchased by um by potential residents.
This is uh kind of outside of our uh jurisdiction but it is potentially uh a concern um that larger vehicles may be in these uh smaller car spaces the number of spaces shown uh at the bottom of the screen there is the five small car spaces identified in the uh in the project.
So units uh eight through twelve.
Third variance is for the uh the width of the maneuvering aisle or the uh the drive uh aisle um access into the uh the site, and the variance uh being requested is from 7.6 meters to uh 6.7 meters.
Uh the applicant had worked with a transportation engineer, and their review of the proposal found that a uh truck up to the size of an F 150 could navigate within the space, um, being able to exit and enter the uh the uh parking garages for the uh the units.
Uh staff did note that there would likely be uh in a couple examples uh shown in the renderings uh potentially overlapping with some of the landscape areas.
Uh so staff uh are not um we're not um uh not recommending that this variance be uh not supported but we do have a few concerns just with the uh the uh the design and uh what staff may recommend is going back to the drawing board with the applicant and just looking at some of those landscape areas if they can be rejigged a little bit and this is the the red line is showing the uh the distance of 6.7 meters uh across the uh the drywall the uh the fourth variance is for uh heat pumps.
Um this is to uh site heat pumps in the flanking and the side yard.
The um the rationale for heat pumps uh in this development is largely just the advancement of uh energy standards and and heating and cooling standards, keeping in mind that the zoning bylaw when it was drafted in 2014 uh didn't have the same design uh standards for heat pumps as they are now.
Uh so staff can support this variance.
Um there's uh quite a bit of advancement in the uh the production of heat pumps today.
And uh the red circles show where the heat pumps would be located.
So in each of the property uh each of the um units, there would be a heat pump uh located on the patio of uh of the residential unit.
Uh the applicant has provided an arborist report for the application.
And summary of this was that 11, sorry, 17 trees would be proposed for removal, 11 of which would be bylaw protected and underneath the tree protection bylaw.
The applicant has proposed 22 replacement trees, so there's no variances for this.
Arborist has uh provided additional measures for uh protection.
And um before any work would be uh carried out, there would be a permit that would be required uh to uh see removal of uh those trees.
Those trees uh subject to uh also uh owner uh owner approval.
So if they're within the municipal right away, they're town trees, they would need town approval.
If they were on the neighboring property, they would need uh the neighbors' approval prior to removal.
This is a uh a tree management plan that was incorporated into the Arborist report.
Uh the red X's show uh the trees that would be removed and the um the trees circled in kind of an orangey brown uh are trees uh shown to be retained and would be uh protected via uh tree protection fencing during the construction of the project.
Just while you're here, Sterling, are all of the trees that are being protected are they on municipal land or are they on um uh the owner's land to the chair there are um there are three trees that are on uh a neighboring property that's uh 16 Humpkin I'll try to get my most to cooperate there are uh one and two trees here and then one tree here and then there are a a couple uh municipal trees that have been identified uh there's a couple here and a couple here that would be uh uh subject to um uh protection protection measures during the development okay so they would be retained and not removed the ones that are on municipal land correct that's correct the the Arborist report has identified them as uh uh as uh retained there are a couple I believe these two these two here on the neighboring property are to be determined and I believe these two here may also be uh to be determined okay I think Ivan had uh comment there yeah I think it just to help supplement um Sterling's presentation there are a couple trees on uh public property that are um that will be removed uh they're noted by X's um but they're in fairly poor condition.
I don't think they'll survive the development or even if there wasn't development there.
Thank you.
Thanks, uh Sterling's already interrupt go ahead.
Yeah, the and yeah, thank you, Ivan.
Um, yeah, I should I I can use my pointer here.
There are actually, yeah, there are a couple of trees here showing um bordering the the the town line.
Uh as Ivan said, the report uh does note their poor condition.
Um in terms of transportation, um the uh applicant had provided a uh reviewed and updated uh uh uh trans uh traffic impact assessment traffic uh study and found that the with the decrease of units uh compared to the previous proposal that's been presented to committee the whole, uh roughly a fifty percent uh less uh trip generations.
What this uh equates to is roughly uh six uh trips uh at peak time in the morning and seven trips at peak time during evening, which is down from what uh was uh provided in the uh in the previous uh uh proposal with 27 units uh the the report didn't note any uh uh concern or or um any um uh yeah any concern with the amount of trips uh coming in and under the site.
Uh stormwater um this is just a note for uh requirement for a covenant um which could be incorporated into the uh the covenant that would be prepared for the other um the other uh documents required and uh a note here on servicing uh there would be a servicing agreement that would uh be uh brought forward at time of building permits, uh something that the engineering department would work through with the uh the applicant.
And um other note was the um there's a design uh uh design of the road would be uh in compliance with the town subdivision and uh development servicing uh bylaw.
Wrapping up uh in terms of uh uh project impacts and implications, the um community impact, if if approved, the 12 units would provide additional housing and uh contribute to uh housing diversity in the community.
Uh there is uh proposed community management contributions and development cost charges that would be collected.
Uh there are no expected uh intergovernment uh relations from a strategic plan perspective.
These overlap with the strategic priority A, which speaks to enhancing livability in the community, and goals one, two, and four were identified.
The um generally the uh the proposal um uh sees further advancement of providing housing and and uh consistency with transportation policies.
And uh with respect to other policies, the climate action strategy was identified, and uh this recognizes uh potentially the the shift beyond the car, uh the opportunity for the site to make use of the uh active transportation connections to Gallop and Goose Trail.
Uh there is uh uh the rapid uh blink uh bus route that's in close proximity.
And Hunkin Road also serves as a large transportation corridor.
There are potentially a lot of opportunities for people to not have to use a car and use alternative means of transportation.
And the uh the next is the uh prioritization of uh alternative uh heating sources, so heat pumps.
Uh in conclusion, the uh the recommendation uh is for uh the report to receive be received from for information.
That is the uh conclusion of the presentation and happy to take questions.
And like I said, uh Wayne is uh uh here also if there's uh questions specifically for for Wayne.
Thank you.
If I came in, I was a developer and I wanted to build three houses on these three lots, would it even become before us?
Sorry, to the chair, could you could you repeat the question?
Yeah, if I just uh there's three lots there.
If I wanted to come in and build a house on each one of those lots, would it even be before us right now?
Uh no, the the it wouldn't require a uh re rezoning or development permit, it would you go uh straight to building permit.
With the changes we've done with SMA, would it come before council at all if they were compliant entirely uh to build, I guess 12?
Well, nine units, I guess uh in that area potentially up to uh that would that come before us?
If uh if the applicant wanted to build uh SMA on each of the properties uh a total of uh four units could be potentially developed and the application would become uh would become before council in the form of uh development permit application uh for form and character the the the lands uh through the amendments that were made to the official community plan uh in 2024 as we were going through that process uh a uh an amendment was made to the um development permit area map, which now classifies uh all lands that were previously zoned for uh single family and duplex uses.
Um they're now captured under that the SMA.
So they would be uh there would be a development permit.
So that that helps me out a lot.
And just understanding, so if it was SMA, they could build 12 units on those three lots, and this one comes in at uh at 12 units on those three lots, but because they're interconnected uh and uh there might be greater savings and space and whatnot, that they're coming up as a DP, correct.
To the chair, yes.
So Wayne's coming forward with a rezoning to provide a yeah, more unified uh uh development.
Uh that being said, I don't know if Wayne and I actually had ever discussed the idea of SMA.
Um but it was evolving at the time for sure, too.
Um so that that just set the stage for me in understanding uh councillor matzon yeah so this just for clarification i no problems with the development in terms of the the 12 units but the difference between this and small is uh just the total amount of square footage that would be allowed on to be built so i gather under small we have about 3800 square feet and and this would be bigger per lot to the chair um yeah that that is another difference between small so uh small does regulate uh a a maximum building size through rezoning um that is one of the uh the the points of criteria to consider in a rezoning application is the uh um the the land use the uh the fsr or the uh the lot coverage the um the the the size of the building um but there is no limit in uh a rezoning application where there is a limit in the uh the current uh small uh regulations colleagues other questions comments no other questions comments i i think are we looking for feedback here um to to provide some input because i do note that this was probably started in 2022 to to the chair yes so at at this point um staff are are providing a a recommendation for this to be received for information um the the next step in this this process would be coming back to council um at which point uh there could be formal discussions of whether to move forward with the application.
Um, like I said, this is a bit of a unique file in that that there's uh two files being combined uh in and in that there's a rezoning application, there's also a development permit.
The the rezoning application and the development permit kind of as an end goal could potentially be adopted on uh at the at the uh at one meeting, but in order to get to that point, uh we have to go through readings of the bylaw to amend the the zoning bylaw.
Um so what could potentially happen would be uh coming back to council for our council meeting for formal consideration of this file uh for the rezoning and um uh readings for the uh the amendment would take place.
There is no public hearing because it's consistent.
Uh there would have to be a um uh adoption, uh motion of adoption, and uh subsequent uh consideration for development permit could uh take place.
Uh Leon, you had something to add?
Yeah, just add to uh Sterling's um uh explanation is that we still have to mail out notices prior to first reading of the bylaw to and to notify the public uh that a bylaw is coming forward to rezone the land.
We'll notify them that there's a bylaw and that there's not going to be a public hearing to express any concerns.
There the notice doesn't specifically.
And so when this file comes back to council, council will consider the bylaws for first and second reading.
So that will be the next step that that council's going to consider following this meeting.
Thank you, Leanne.
Go to questions because I think Jerry, you had one or is it was it a comment?
Just a small one.
And that was in the maneuverability.
And I just wondered if there's room for a moving ban.
If there's room for a F 150, but is there room for a moving ban?
That uh to the chair, that hadn't been uh considered in the um in the uh report that was provided by the transportation engineer.
But the a moving van, you know, is are you saying can I get into the garage?
Like or can I well it's the maneuverability I was that I thought that was on the roadway.
To the chair, I'll I'll go back a few slides just to uh because if it's the garage, I don't care.
Um I I believe if the there was an idea of moving uh getting a moving truck in there, it would have to be uh perpendicular to the units.
Um a moving truck couldn't uh I don't believe could uh uh turn around in that space, uh provided that it's likely going to be bigger than an F-150.
The intent of the uh study that was done by the transportation engineer was to determine if vehicles could come in and out of the garage and exit enter within the uh maneuvering aisle.
Councilor Rodney.
Yeah, thank you.
The um um I I guess I have a question with respect to the moving maneuvering aisle in the the the distance here because I'm um my recollection and uh my look at um Eltham, uh the development Eltham, it uh also was less than uh uh 7.6.
Um and um and then the arrows, the the distance arrows, I couldn't really read the Eltham, but it seemed like the the point point to point was different in terms of buildings and structures and so forth.
So when uh you know when it comes back again, I would uh certainly appreciate a a much closer look of Eltham and and compare it to this.
Um from that perspective, that would be helpful.
I'd also like to uh hear from the applicant.
Uh here you're getting into comments, though.
No, no, that's that's the only uh comment question I would have that would uh further the clarification with staff on the maneuvering aisle comparing to Eltham, but uh my other question would be to hear from the applicant.
Sure.
Council McKenzie.
So I have a question around the variances.
And so if I was to agree with a lot of staff's recommendations, that would then also impact on the design.
Uh I I imagine.
Um so how what is the order of that?
Because I wouldn't necessarily want to us to approve the rezoning before seeing what the design looks like with the variances or rejected or included.
I'll just chime in here.
Um so yeah, so in terms of uh process, so uh what we'll hear from the committee today is some feedback on the variances and uh the and the supportability on those variances.
Uh when council considers this application uh when it comes to council for bylaw readings, council will consider the bylaw readings first, the rezoning, and then they'll consider the approval of the development permit when the bylaw comes forward for fourth reading.
So uh these two applications will be moving forward concurrently, but council has to consider the rezoning first because you're changing the use and density of the land, and then um and then consider the issuance of approval of the development permit.
And so will that development permit when we eventually come to a approve it include or reflect what variances we have supported or not supported?
Like will we get an updated design at that stage?
Yes.
Okay.
Um I need to make a point of clarification.
There is going to be a hearing with this application because of the variances.
So um variances are not excluded from have requiring a hearing.
So there will be a um opportunity for public comment on the variances, not on the rezoni, but on the variances.
Any other questions?
Umbite comments and will also include some opportunity for uh of course the uh developer to have a chat.
I think comments, so go ahead, Dallas.
Along the same lines as the moving truck, um, I think uh what we see a lot of issues with is also delivery uh trucks or bigger vehicles often uh pulling into here and then maybe not being able to turn around or blocking the street if they can't do that.
So um yeah, if uh that's why I'm um also not really supportive of that.
Uh the number three there, the width of maneuvering aisle.
Um I wouldn't be supportive of that variance.
Uh Councillor matzone yeah, I I I'm not particularly vexed about the variances and just a a more general comment.
I in terms of some of our streets, uh like the the main thoroughfares i'd much rather see this type of development than uh more condos um so i can probab that that's probably it i think it's uh a a lot better direction for re Hamlican than it would be more and more uh contoscor um I'll make a bit of a comment because it is my in my backyard almost literally um and uh uh I I guess there's some concern areas I think the proponent came around and I think the due diligence and and brought around kind of a brochure of what um the plan was.
And at the time it started out as townhouses.
And I know my neighbors quite closely by first name, and nobody really had a problem with the townhouses at all.
Then it came back, I think after uh submission, and it came back as condos.
Um and my neighbors did start to have a problem with that because of not only density but height.
Um and and now we're back to townhouses, which everybody likes again.
Um so uh just just concerned, can staff like walk me through how it went from something that you even though you didn't know, uh the community kind of supported to something that it didn't support back to what it did.
I'm just concerned about that.
That's a I don't know how many year journey, but more than two, I think, uh, from what it was.
So just concerned about if somebody is coming in to build something that we need, is there a way we can make it faster?
Because colleagues, we spent less time on 300 units.
That was an iceberg development about, you know, getting it to okay and getting our support.
And here's somebody that is is coming in to build stuff that we need to build and we've been authorized to build.
And it's taken them longer to build 12 townhouses than it is 300 units that we probably don't want to have necessarily built as much as we do the 12 units.
So can staff just walk me through a process on how we got to three years for 12 units.
Okay.
So yes, the applicant came forward originally with an application for 12 townhouse units.
And I should I'm preface by saying this the townhouse proposal was three stories.
The condo, the project that council considered earlier was also three stories.
It was three and a half stories.
So actually the height is really the same between the townhouse project and the um and the original multi-unit residential building.
When when staff considered the original proposal, uh the site was predominantly building and and driveways.
The multi-unit residential proposal that was brought forward and that staff worked with the applicant on and the applicant was very receptive and uh and we came forward with the proposal.
I mean I think you know there's a back and forth on it and I think at the time the applicant wasn't you know not super on board but then over time and through discussions um we sort of came to a concept that uh that was complied with the official community plan and the design guidelines because it provided underground parking.
There was a lot of opportunity for outdoor amenity space and on the rooftop and at grade um the streetscape, in terms of the the relationship with Helmkin, there was more more units.
There were a mix of units, so one, two, and a couple of three-bedroom units.
So it's uh and then still the and it still fit with the neighborhood concept context as well.
And um, and then after that meeting, the count uh the the applicant re heard council's feedback on that and um and then um and also reflected on that and I and and uh came back with a townhouse concept um of 12 of 12 units because of just the what they heard it around the council table, also um, just with the probably the just the economics and um and then also probably what he they heard from the neighborhood.
I guess my concern is if somebody's a specialist in building townhomes, or not often specialist in building larger structures, right?
So if somebody's I'm just wondering if we're coming up with the message it's not dense enough, right?
I don't I don't think that should be our our case.
If somebody's coming in and their specialty is to build townhouses, that staff or council is coming back and say we want more density or we want you to build something that you're not an expert in building.
So that that's my concern area is that we're pushing an agenda because if somebody wanted to build a single home there, they could, right?
Three single homes on those lots, and and we couldn't be pushing for extra density.
My concern is like proportionality, I guess, and risk, and that if I'm coming in to build kind of what we need this was before smue when this started but we should like uh my point is is that we spent less time debating or more time debating this than we did putting in 300 units and and there's got to be some proportionality around that counselor brown move the staff report received for information please second um and we don't necessarily have to go to vote yet if somebody had something else that they wanted to add it's on the table.
Councilor Roger.
Yes, I'd still would like to hear from the applicant.
Yes, please.
Is that uh okay with the mover and uh second?
Okay.
So any questions you have for mr.
Hopkins about the uh the uh plan.
Um councillor McKenzie.
So uh hi.
Um my question is then if based on some of the recommendations uh around the variances that staff have uh made, is there anything there that would that you see would be like a deal breaker or would really impact on the development itself in in a significant way that we should be aware of?
Um if I might just wouldn't mind taking you through a few of the the variances as they've been stated.
Um first of all I think you all know I'm Wayne Hopkins um one of the owners of Meredyn Group.
We've been around for 30 years.
I was just admiring Riverside Ridge on your nice map there, which was one of my first big projects.
I want to correct a few things that were said.
The first proposal was for 13 townhouses.
This one is for 12 um but they're totally different animals.
This one is designed more for younger family, younger couples, um a younger demographic and that necessitated some changes in the design to end up being 12.
So it is what it is.
We've always been a company that that focuses on functional, practical, and attainable housing.
We don't build high-end homes.
We try to avoid multi-story construction.
Single family duplex townhouses where we sit and that's where we focus.
The mayor was correct.
The neighbors are great.
But it was pretty obvious they preferred townhouse.
Leanne's correct.
So we went back to townhouse.
When we did, it's been three years, we knew there was a change in housing needs and there was a change in expectations.
So we blew up our design team and brought in all new people that we felt were closer to the actual target demographic in relation to age and financial demographics, starting with the architect who's here, and going all the way down to the landscape architect.
So this hasn't been a ping pong approach.
It's all been well thought out.
What I'm asking tonight is not so much for it to be received, and then we don't know when it's coming back.
What I'm asking is that the application move forward to council with the intent of receiving first and second reading.
Um, it's proposed as a CD zone, comprehensive development zone.
I personally have never had a CD zone with variances because all the items that are noted as a variance can easily be written in to the zone itself.
To me, the variance process is just a simple, sorry, just another step in process that's not necessary, not necessary.
Um, I do understand staff's concern about ingraining the variances into the zoning.
I get hit by a bus, my wife sells the property, somebody comes in, they get the benefit of those variances that are ingrained in the zoning.
Um, it's a very easy way to comp to compensate for that.
Staff are already requiring a covenant to secure the amenity space and to secure the amenity payment.
As I've done in the past with projects, we simply add on to that covenant that the town of URO is not responsible or required to issue a building permit unless the plans and the building permit are in substantial compliance with the attached drawings, which will be the DP drawings.
So if I get hit by a bus, somebody comes in and doesn't like my design, you actually have more power than you do under a revised development permit because now they're asking you to amend a covenant.
So you have way more authority.
I would prefer to do that.
We're doing a covenant anyways.
Why not just follow that?
Simple process.
It happens all the time?
I'll go through the variances if you like.
I had a bunch of stuff, but you guys have been here I think longer than you anticipated.
And Sterling did a pretty good job showing or going through the the benefits and what we've designed.
One thing the mayor mentioned is timing three years.
We thought we would be built out by now and people will be living in the units.
So we're obviously very eager to get going.
We intend on building on this property in 2025.
The density we're asking for is a density we already basically have through what do you guys call it?
SMUS or something like that.
Um we took this route because that's a better development.
It looks better.
It's a better streetscape, and quite honestly, it removes the access that's currently onto Telmican on one of the lots.
So it brings all the traffic through one single entrance off Camden.
Small car spaces, I think it's pretty simple.
Um, four are allowed.
We've asked for five.
The real reason for it is continuity of that block.
I don't want to have um four eight foot um wide garage doors and then have a have a wider one beside it.
Um we used an F 150 to show the movement within the drive aisle because it's a big truck and it shows you the maximum mobility.
But let's be realistic.
Nobody's buying an urban townhouse three stories with an F 150.
It's pretty typical, your compact, your subcompact, even your mid-size sedans and SUVs, of which, thanks to Chat GPT, and it was noted in the in the consultant's report, the traffic consultant, that for example, a compact car is six feet wide, mid-sized cars six feet wide, full-size cars are six foot six.
For what we're talking about, they're they're it's a normal-size single-car garage.
Um on the other side, the other block, they're bigger.
So, yeah, if you have a uh a larger vehicle with kids, which once again I don't think is going to be the demographic, well then take one across the drive lot drive aisle.
So the variance of one additional small car space, I think is is is very justified, and we believe it's the right thing to do.
Um the access lane is a little different.
Um do we have the can we get the um landscaping plan?
This what the site plan it shows the best.
Okay, that this one will be fine, I think.
So there was some confusion between ourselves and staff when we did the plan up.
Um to let you know how we arrived at the layout.
The first stop I made was with Project Arborist to say, I really want to keep as many of those trees on Helmican as I can.
It's always been a priority, you might remember.
I said, right now we have a two-meter setback with the apartment style.
I said, how many meters do we need to really increase the chances of success?
He said five.
So we created a five foot setback.
And then from the other side, the minimum width for the private space was three meters for that one corner.
I think he showed that on Camden.
And that basically set the units and the drive aisle.
Um we've never in our in my time have ever designed a strata access lane to a maneuvering aisle designation.
Maneuvering aisles, in my experience, have always been for parking lots and parking garages.
Notwithstanding, it's important to point out a couple things.
The drive aisle, which is unobstructed, has been increased to 6.7 meters wide, which is what you see today, which is exactly the same as it can be in an underground parking structure, or if the roofs connected the units, it could be 6.7 meters.
We also need to confirm that garage to garage, so parking space to parking space is 9.2 meters.
So the 6.7 isn't the only area on the site.
It's 9.2 meters between parking spaces.
The Watt Consulting did their analysis with an F 150 and showed it worked.
I did see what he was talking about.
There was one slide out of eight, I think it was, or nine, where they went over landscaping.
I talked to Watt today, that was just a drafting error.
The person who drafted it didn't realize that area was landscaping.
They thought it was dry bile.
We can meet the requirement for 7.6.
It just means that all the landscaping at the back of building A needs to come out.
We can meet the technical requirement for 7.6 meters, but we don't want to.
We know that 6.7 meters clear, unobstructed, is practical and functional.
9.2 meters between parking spaces gives you a lot of additional space, and you get the benefit of having interior landscaping, which we think is really important to the actual livability of the site.
So that's where that comes from.
What was the other ones?
Um the heat, the heat pumps.
I agree with Sterling.
It's the technology now.
You can stand beside a heat pump unit and you don't even know it's on.
Um so there's no sound issues.
And the definition of setbacks and flank, I still don't understand which one's the front yard, flanking yard, rear yard, because it it there is some weird property lines on the site.
Um so it's kind of hard to figure out.
Um I believe that in a nutshell, I can go into a lot more, but I'm I think I'm yeah, we're we're just here for questions for for now.
Just had a question for you, Leanne.
What is the difference of time and including these things that would be in variances within the DP by doing the the um uh the uh DP plus the variances?
Because the time is is is is a cost there.
So what what would be the additional factor for the applicant if we're doing um uh either route?
Uh through the mayor, it's it's I've um uh it's very unusual to put like the parking, the parking section of the bylaw is is is a separate section of our zoning bylaw.
So we're varying it a totally it's a different section.
It's parking is not embedded in the zoning in the zones.
Um it's very unusual to vary to put well, I shouldn't say that.
That's not true.
Um when I say no, it's not true, it's it's you you can, yes.
For a comprehensive development zone, if we can do whatever we want in the zone, we can write it however we want.
Um if we want to say that the maneuvering aisle is going to be six point seven meters, sure, we can absolutely do that.
We also have to think about what happens if this doesn't get built, and obviously, we as planners, as professional planners, we have to think about what happens if this doesn't get so council issues this zone, like allows us zoning, grants this zoning for um, and sure, it you know, this this the applicant has demonstrated through Watt Consulting that um you know the maneuvering aisles and things you know work, but what happens if this doesn't get built?
And then these variances are not they're not even variances, these drive aisles and things are built into the zone.
And the other the same thing goes in goes with the with the the rear yard setback.
So if council and and and and staff can write, I mean it's up to council how they how they want to move forward with this, but if if the council needs to be aware that if you allow for a three-meter setback for the rear yard setback, that means right now this proposal shows that it's just that one corner of the building closest to Camden that's at three meters.
However, a future another building could could be built on there where it is a three-meter setback, and staff has concerns around the livability and the proximity to and the separation distances between this building and like the future redevelopment of of the property to the south.
So absolutely.
But the question was just around time.
Yeah, so but what I'm saying, no, for sure.
But I'm all I'm saying is it's it's um the timing factor is is uh yes, it's gonna add a bit of time because there's going to be a um there would be a hearing associated with the variances.
Um we write them in the zone, that there would be no hearing.
So my so how many months?
I mean that would I I'm just uh looking for a guess because if it's going to be a year, you know, from DP to the end of variance, then that's significant.
If it's gonna be a couple of months more, that could be um, you know, uh something, but it is a cost to somebody coming in and wanting to build anything in our in uh in View Royal.
I'm just trying to get a sense of what that looks like for for an applicant to come in and and the present example kind of aside of just gonna trying to get an idea of the time.
Sure, absolutely.
Um it'll probably add additional two months.
Thank you.
Um thank you very much.
Helpful to hear.
Other questions for the applicant?
Uh council Roger.
Yeah.
And I guess um my question is that um you know even if we had that landscaping in um a future strata council when this is all built may choose to remove the vegetation if they felt they couldn't move their vehicles it within their right there uh to decide to do that.
I guess theoretically yes it's also the same as I could take out all those trees on building a show it to you, build it, get my occupancy and put in planters.
Up to the strata, they can just find um and if I might just answering the one question about a moving vehicle.
A moving vehicle would have to pull in, unload, and then pull out, same as the fire department would have to do with one of their trucks.
Yeah.
Yeah, just a point of clarification because this is a development permit, we are controlling the landscaping.
So there's a landscape deposit.
So we do and we we will go out and inspect the landscaping to make sure it complies with the landscape plan that was approved in accordance with the development permit.
So we do check to make sure that I guess after the fact the strator could go in and chop down trees or whatever, but you know, we do landscaping you got there two years from now, if they feel they want to, they're gonna any questions, comments further?
We got a motion on the table, and the motion on the table was to receive one one last one.
Just one more little quick clarification.
Um my suggestion to embed the plans that you see today into a covenant takes away a future person's ability to come in and take advantage of the zoning because only what you see which is registered on the covenant can get built.
Otherwise, they have to come back to council for an amendment to the covenant, which gives you even more authority than a new DP, in my opinion.
Leon, your thoughts?
Um it's it's it's it's more restrictive for sure.
Um and if we want to make any changes to that, then there will have to come any changes to the covenant will have to come back to council.
Um it's and also to administer another covenant, it's it's it's not a it's not ideal from staff's perspective.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, uh we got a mover and a seconder.
All those in favor of receipt.
Any opposed?
And uh just uh Leanne, when will we see this back?
Uh I I can't provide you the exact timeline because we have to draft a bylaw.
Uh we have to give notice.
Uh the um the there will be variances because right, so uh I can't give you an exact um def like exact date, um, but hopefully sometime in the by March.
Okay, thank you.
Uh that brings us down to I think the next item on the agenda.
Second.
And we've that was the uh CAO update.
Um so we're gonna move to receive and a seconder.
All those in favor?
Quick comment.
Can I just make one comment?
No, no, too late.
Oh, come on.
Just let me say fabulous report.
Thank you for doing the park to everyone.
No, no.
Thank you.
We either do it or we don't, folks.
Uh so if we want to ask questions, let's go to questions.
Counselor Brown.
Just a quick one.
We sent a letter to the school district 61 about considering a in a lack of a better term, turn system.
Did do we ever hear anything back or they just received it for info?
Uh if we hear anything back, we'll be sure to put that correspondence on the agenda.
Yeah.
Anything else?
Questions, comments?
So move for receipt, seconded on the table.
All those in favor?
Any opposed?
Motion carries.
Thank you, Scott.
Uh building department report.
Move your seat.
Checking once, twice, three times comments.
Second.
Any questions?
All those in favor is a receipt.
Any opposed?
Seeing not opposed.
Motion carries.
Council resolution follow-up list.
Appreciate.
Any questions or comments?
All those in favor?
Any opposed?
Seeing not opposed.
Motion carries.
Portfolio reports.
I think that's where we're at.
So this is where in your normal how you would bring up anything or give a report to the meetings that you had attended or anything else that you wanted to inform council on.
As I said, the next uh round for the chair will, I think, be Councillor Brown.
Um, that he will take over the entire chair.
This part will still be in it.
If you have items such as minutes, this is where you would let Sarah know uh to include them into um into the correspondence or even under this section under your portfolio.
It could be uh something for the West Shore Parks and Rec, it could be something for the foundry or the library.
This will give me your opportunity to kind of elaborate that and even for us to ask questions that you could take away.
Um so as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing that I want to add to this except our big announcement for finance was we have a financial officer, which is a good start.
So thanks um Scott and Jen for putting it all together and bringing Troy on board and um glad to have him before budget season.
Over to you Council Brown.
Yeah I was appointed the fan to the representative for Family Court and Youth Justice Committee and I attended the meeting in December.
They welcomed me aboard nothing to report back from that and the next meeting's on January 23rd.
So that's up and coming.
Um, I was happy to hear the province is initiating an independent review of the 911 services.
Uh, review will examine and provide recommendations on the financial governance and operational performance of emergency communications for BC.
Because as we're all aware, the province and feds used to cover the cost 7030, and now they're trying to download it onto us, uh, 10 um southern municipalities.
I thank the mayors, all the mayors, yourself and other mayors, for putting some pressure on them to do that because now they are doing it.
That's my report.
Thank you.
Thanks, Ston.
Uh Council Quellage for engagement, sir.
No, thank you.
I'll try to make this as engaging as possible tonight.
No, this is come on, stay with me here.
Uh, so the mayor and I have communicated about uh seeking youth representation on the OCP uh working group.
So I'll be communicating with leanne who's just left and we're trying to drum up some interest to get a youth on our committee uh or get some youth to have some input so thank you thanks councilor college and uh uh arts and library council lemon nothing for me okay then uh environment parks and rec Councilor McKenzie uh thanks so yeah this week will be my first time attending the West Shore Parks and Rec meeting as a full director on the board.
So thanks again to Councillor Kollowitch for all your work on that board uh especially being that you were the chair as well.
So you're gonna be very much missed on the board, but um I'll try to do my best there.
Not too much new to update you on.
Uh Councillor Brown might be interested to know about the pickle board a pickleball court construction.
When I was doing my tour there they are they've already cleared the area and they've now got um the contractor for the project.
So hopefully soon it it will be ready.
And that's it for me.
Thank you.
Thanks Counselor McKenzie and planning and development.
Councilor Matson Yes thank you.
So I have a notice of motion and since it's a notice, we're not discussing it.
I guess on for for discussion at next council meeting.
So I know I don't want to read it.
Yeah.
Okay, good.
So there's that item.
The other item is uh parking for people working on you know apartments, etc.
I've I've sent to some colleagues because I didn't have everyone's email or uh phone or text number.
But um if I'd asked staff to drive down to Plowright and uh Palisier Avenue and just take a look at the the horrible mess of that street.
I mean it's just I I know they might need somewhere to park, but I thought in our whole bylaw there was supposed to be developers were supposed to actually find a place for people who are working on the project to park.
And I so besides cluttering up the street, um, they there's the it is so muddy, and they move further and further onto the boulevard because they're you know, maybe they're worried about their trucks getting stuck from just how bad the ditches are in there now.
Uh anyways, horrible, and then the trucks drive over the streets nice and muddy and throw mud all over the streets.
And I know we had a street uh washer there today, but maybe staff can uh ensure that this is going to be corrected once the developments are the workers are gone.
I mean, there's a lot of work to do to to fix it.
And the other part is the uh get the street cleaner going more frequently and make them pay for it because it's just awful.
And I get nothing but complaints as I walk past the neighbors on my way to my dog walk in the morning.
So yes.
Normally, um uh you can correct me if I'm wrong, Ivan, but normally if we're doing a development, then they're coming up with a parking plan of where their workers are going to park.
I note that for Aspire they're actually perk parking in Saanich and around a little road and kind of away from areas that are residential parking.
But this for the development for the six mile, it's not like we planned the development or our staff has control, but uh there this must be something that we should be bringing up to their attention when they say they're gonna start work on a major project that includes a highway and not necessarily a building.
Uh yeah, Mayor Tobias, so uh developments typically require a parking management plan.
We don't have the staff to like go to each parking lot to confirm that workers are indeed parking there.
So items like what we hear right now is a complaint, it's a complaints basis.
And so the best course of action is to um just give engineering an email, engineering at vworld.ca, and they could administer it or take a look with respect to if should developer parkers park in bullard areas that damage it, they are responsible for uh repairing it to pre development conditions, so that is it will be an item.
And then the sweeping is already at their cost.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Was there anything else?
Councillor Matson.
Uh and Councillor Rogers for Public Works and Transportation.
Yeah, uh, first off, um uh the point I was uh raising the C report there, my thanks to staff and and um for uh working on the um upgrading of the EV charging uh stations for um town vehicles.
So that that's uh that's good to see to see that's in enabled.
Um and of course the uh the various works on on sidewalk extensions um is always good to see.
Um I want to thank both uh staff and the mayor for working with um the ministry of highways and transit on the price road issues and their access.
Um a question to staff, do we have any idea when they would um the the traffic light will go on and and start being functional?
Um yeah, Mayor Tobas, I don't have that information with me right now, but I can easily get that and email you.
Okay, thank you.
The uh the other um point is um the I see that the development at um Island Highway Helmaken, you know, where the red barn or whatever is going in there.
Uh question to staff on uh signage.
Um is there would the uh store be expecting to come to us on signage for that uh business?
I believe it's a requirement of the development uh to to come to council with any signage proposal.
So we haven't heard anything just yet?
Haven't heard anything yet.
Oh, I did forget one quick item.
The red barn or whatever was going to go into the on Helmicken and Island Highway.
Um talking to one of the workers, they missed their November sort of startup time, and so they have walked and at present they don't have somebody.
That's the latest I've received.
But maybe staff no more.
I think Leanne might have the information, but she might not be here.
So that's uh thanks.
Maybe if staff could follow up just uh for counsel because I think that was a a condition for the building, wasn't it, to have not necessarily the red barn but a so something similar okay um and I just wanted to add before we get then done the section increasingly like youth um I'm under pressure to supply a representative for wellness that includes everything from municipal involvement into uh primary health care uh so if any of you are interested please let me know um uh I would have gone to you first, Counselor Matson, noting that it might be a conflict of interest to your other duties.
Well, given I've gone seven years and my term was up a year ago, I'm not it wasn't renewed for this year.
So yeah, maybe we'll thank you.
Um uh part of that and just of note, uh, I think we've all learned that uh Callwood has hired its first doctor as a municipal employee.
And the way that model is working out, uh and I know he's uh uh holding his head face in his hands right now, but it it is a model that's becoming increasingly popular.
Uh very still out as far as effectiveness and whatnot goes, but it's a model that um that has been out there that's uh thinking outside of the box.
So yeah, so thank you, Councilor Mattson, for throwing your hat in the ring that will help allow us to respond to a growing community need that's without end.
Uh that brings us to new business, I think.
And Councilor Rogers, you had a recommendation to read in.
Uh yes, that's right.
And and um as you can see, I'm uh suggesting that we write a resolution to ABICC, and that's uh the deadline is February the 6th.
Um and my understanding I'm gonna need staff's help in this one.
Um this is an issue that uh came to my attention at UBCM, uh, where the uh the International Association of Firefighters were you know very concerned, and uh many of the fire chiefs in BC were very concerned about removing the two access off um uh requirement to just simply one stairway.
Um so a single egress uh access out.
And um the firewriters did an excellent job in in um providing uh their their fact sheet opposing this, uh has written to the minister and I they also included the uh policy paper.
Um uh so um I wonder um chiefers, can you assist in terms of where we go from here if it's already embedded in the building BC building code?
Yeah, thank you, counselor.
So you're you're correct.
So the BC Fire Chiefs, the BC professional firefighters, the IFF, every every professional expert in fire management in the province presented their argument against the the amendment to the BC Building Code, citing the um uh a multitude of concerns and and these municipalities included Vancouver, Surrey, Burnby, the big players in the province.
And Ravi Callon and his experts decided against our recommendation, and they went forward with the BC Building Code amendment.
So it is embedded in the BC Building Code.
It is law and it's it's there to stay.
So the coin of the ship is sailed.
However, um it fell on deaf ears provincially, and they made the amendments and they've made the changes.
Um, I know there are larger municipalities in the province that are going to control this type of development through zoning.
And I can't speak to how that works.
That would be to uh to Leanne's expertise, but I know of one municipality that's simply said, you know, none of the none of their parts of their town are zoned for that type of construction.
So if you want to limit that um that type of development, you know, the single egress stairwell.
I mean, this um this goes back uh back into the 1920s when they they had a similar design and then they ended up putting external escape stairwells in the outside of buildings because it wasn't working.
So I'm not I'm not sure the logic.
Um architects and engineers have designed these, they've come up with this this design change.
Um, and what they use is they they predict a building's response to a fire, not a human's response to a fire.
And they're to two totally different things.
Uh, a human will react differently than a building, but they don't consider that when they when they make a building amendment so unfortunately i i mean i don't know what um a resolution would accomplish at this point and the uh it is embedded in the building code and it is um it is law and uh our our comments and concerns weren't heard well they were heard but they weren't um yeah they weren't respected so you know the um to expect um and and when you read the provincial report um and the recommendations uh one of which was the expectation uh that um individuals when their building is on fire um uh on the tenth floor, uh everyone should stay in place, shelter in place.
So those above will get the smoke, those below will get the water, and um, you know, the but as I think Paul has uh told me, this does not deal with human nature.
People will want to escape.
The only way that they're gonna escape and uh is down that single fireplace where the firemen are trying to go up to put out the fire.
If the firemen are blocked, the fire burns longer, hotter, causes more damage, insurance companies and premiums will go up.
The insurance, so it's um uh, you know, definitely it's I I don't know if it's a a uh situation where we request UBCM A V I C C to hold workshops and inform um um and have that that that debate there.
But this is uh really a a human safety um issue that um I think has not been adequately addressed in the provincial report.
I'd be willing to support a motion that we advocate and probably leave out kind of all the actions that we take, but it could be an AVIC uh like a blanket kind of that we we take on a point of advocacy.
Might not go anywhere to Chief Hirst uh point, but I think representing the best interest for safety based on um the uh the fire chiefs of British Columbia and uh and their plight, um uh that it could involve a letter to the minister, also the minister of safety.
Um, if if that's something council would agree and be happy to support.
This was, if you trace it back, a lobby that got rapidly endorsed because the lobby said if you only have one fire or one set of stairs, we can build more units.
That's where this is coming from.
It's got nothing.
Developers lobby was to say this will save us money and time in building, and in turn, we can reduce the cost of units, which is yet to be determined.
So this is a point where it's now really affecting the safety.
Uh, my own personal uh you know thoughts on this.
If you look up uh the latest largest fire in London and the loss of life, it was specifically due to not having two exits.
Um, and there's a point where you say, you know, uh we're we're we're looking now too much at profit and probably not enough at human life.
Um because I would hate to be the not only the person living in there, I would hate to be the firefighter that tried to manage getting people out with only a single access or egress out of that building.
So I'd be happy to support counsel.
Um I'd recommend Councilor Rogers that you raise a motion of advocacy around your concern, and I'd be happy to support it.
Um yes.
Let me let me try the um, you know, some form of advocacy if I can if I can work with Paul the staff to find out some kind of a um see one of the things about getting it on the table as a as a resolution, um, it it then brings the um um the municipalities to to consider and to join the voice in in terms of public safety.
Sure you can write it any way that you'd like and including uh you know ABIC and uh UBCM.
I will note that there's probably eighteen hundred UBCM resolutions that have gone unanswered by the province.
So I would suggest that if council is supportive of it that we also have our own advocacy uh with our MLA as well as a letter to the responsible ministers if we think that's important.
I'm happy to support that.
May I hear from the rest of I I want to hear what everyone else has to say with respect to this housing versus I don't think it's necessary.
I think if there's a fire in a stairwell, you know, they should have ropes and things to be able to just sort of go down it.
Of course it's stupid not to have der Uh yes, I I move that um uh the town of U will um uh advocate uh for um um uh to to inform and uh hopefully reverse the uh the decision by the province on the BC building code and SCEs, S E S.
Uh you can motivate, but I think you've done enough of that.
You can motivate.
Yeah, well uh A V R C C and EBCM, they're both uh advocacy groups, so uh regardless of how many numbers of resolutions they have, I think it's important to to put it on the table, and then it can be discussed uh uh whoever attends.
Any other comments or thoughts?
All in favor?
Any opposed?
Seeing none opposed, motion carries.
Paul, can you get me the letter from the fire chiefs to whoever on the topic?
And we can use cite that as a reference uh for it.
I think that brings us nearer to the end and the question period, which everybody left because they were having a good time.
And uh Carl, do we got anybody that's filled in a forum for a question?
Uh no comments this evening, May Mayor Tobias.
Thank you, Carl.
Um, can I get a motion to terminate in our next meeting as a council meeting next week?
Moved by Councillor Brown, seconded by Council McKenzie.
All those in favor?
Any opposed?
Not opposed.
Thanks, folks.