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Committee of the Whole

Tuesday, June 13, 2023
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Meeting Overview

The Committee of the Whole meeting addressed significant planning matters, including a controversial rezoning application for 339, 341 and 345 Island Highway (Cambridge Motel site) for 259 rental units, which Council members deemed too dense and lacking sufficient community benefit or commercial space to justify the OCP change to 'Neighborhood Center'. The Committee also strongly supported maintaining current public notification radii (400m) despite staff recommendations to reduce them, and unanimously backed a resolution supporting the continuation of the RCMP School Resource Officer program. The Committee agreed to apply for a grant to fund the planned Off-Street Parking Review.

Key Decisions

  • Council voted to send a letter to the RCMP and School District 61 affirming strong support for the School Liaison Officer program.
  • Council requested a staff report on the implications of allowing commercial activities and performances in specific parks.
  • Council approved updating the procedures and notification methods (removing newspaper, adding digital), but retained the existing 400m notification distance for major applications.
  • Council supported applying for the grant to fund the Off-Street Parking Review.
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Motions Passed
4h 29m
Duration
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Transcript

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Sid Tobias0:00

I'd like to call the meeting with the Committee of the Whole for the Town of View Royal to order for June 13th, 2023.

Sid Tobias0:08

We recognize the Laquanguan speaking people known today as the Esquimalt Nation and the Songhees Nation, and that their historic connections to these lands continue to this day.

Sid Tobias0:18

This afternoon we will hear from the public during the public participation portion of the agenda, and this evening we will hear from the public during the public participation and question period portions of the agenda.

Sid Tobias0:29

For members of the audience, the council is a safe, respectful, and inclusive space.

Sid Tobias0:33

All members of the audience are asked to refrain from clapping or cheering, or openly expressing your opinions when others are speaking or when they are done speaking.

Sid Tobias0:41

When it is your turn to talk, do not speak disrespectfully about anybody else, including council staff, or do not use rude or offensive language, bullying or harassing in any way.

Sid Tobias0:53

Council wants to hear the views of those participating in the meeting in an open and impartial form.

Sid Tobias0:59

For those participating by telephone and watching or listening to the telecast, if you wish to provide comments, call 778-402-9227 and when prompted, enter conference ID 611-711-937-pound.

Sid Tobias1:18

At the appropriate time in the agenda, I will then announce the last four digits of your phone number.

Sid Tobias1:23

Ask you to mute the live webcast to avoid feedback.

Sid Tobias1:28

Ask you not to use speakerphone to ensure sound quality, and ask that you unmute yourself by pressing star six.

Sid Tobias1:35

To begin, please indicate your name and address for the record.

Sid Tobias1:38

Speakers will have five minutes each to speak during the public participation period and two minutes to ask a question or questions during question period, and you will be timed.

Sid Tobias1:44

This meeting will be recorded.

Sid Tobias1:51

By participating in the webcast, you are consenting to being recorded, and the recording will be available on the town's website for future access.

Sid Tobias2:00

So may I have a motion to approve the agenda, including the late items blue sheet that everybody should have.

Sid Tobias2:09

Moved by Councillor Mattson, seconded by Councilor Brown.

Sid Tobias2:13

All in favor.

Sid Tobias2:15

Any opposed?

Sid Tobias2:16

Seeing none opposed, motion carries.

Sid Tobias2:20

Minutes of previous meetings.

Sid Tobias2:22

Can I get a motion to adopt, please?

Sid Tobias2:24

Moved by Councillor Rogers, seconded by Councilor McKenzie.

Sid Tobias2:28

All in favor.

Sid Tobias2:29

Seeing none opposed motion carries.

Sid Tobias2:30

Any opposed?

Sid Tobias2:33

We have two petitions and delegations this evening, the first of which is from the Capitol Regional District, which we have their entire executive team here.

Sid Tobias2:44

Of note, they are making their rounds of all the municipalities.

Sid Tobias3:02

I used to think I had a difficult job being the counselor and trying to shepherd uh six voices, but he has the unenviable task of having to uh shepherd the delegations from all of the regional districts.

Sid Tobias3:18

So uh he does so with impartiality and finesse.

Sid Tobias3:22

So I thank you, Chair Plant, for joining us.

Colin Plant3:25

Thank you very much for that lovely bouquet.

Colin Plant3:27

Thank you for having us today, your worship, council, members of the staff, and to the general public who may be watching.

Colin Plant3:33

My name is Colin Plant.

Colin Plant3:34

I'm a counselor in the District of Saanich, and I'm currently the Capitol Regional District Board Chair.

Colin Plant3:39

As you indicated, we are going to each municipal council in order to show our interest in developing a positive relationship between the CRD and each municipality, and that includes the town of View Royal.

Colin Plant3:52

Today you are going to hear from our executive leadership team in our presentation, and I think more importantly than anything that you may get from the information today, although I'd like to think it is also very useful, is the understanding that we are here to be partners with the town of View Royal.

Colin Plant4:08

And while you are represented by Mayor Tobias and his alternate, I would just like to say any of you are welcome to reach out to members of staff and myself if you ever have issues regarding the CRD that you would like to better understand or discuss.

Colin Plant4:21

I would like to briefly introduce the executive leadership team.

Colin Plant4:24

We almost have everybody one person's away, but most of us are here.

Colin Plant4:28

I and they'll just to your uh right, uh left to right and my right to left, our CAO, Mr.

Colin Plant4:35

Ted Robbins.

Colin Plant4:36

Uh, next to Mr.

Colin Plant4:37

Robbins is our chief financial officer, Nelson Chan.

Colin Plant4:40

Uh, to the left of Nelson is our parks and environmental Services General Manager, Larissa Hutchinson, our corporate services general manager, Kristen Morley, and our Parks and Pardon me, Planning and Protective Services, sorry, Kevin Lorette, General Manager.

Colin Plant4:56

And missing today is our acting general manager for integrated water services.

Colin Plant5:00

Thank you for having us uh have that building in View Royal.

Colin Plant5:03

Uh that's Mr.

Colin Plant5:04

Ian Jesney.

Colin Plant5:05

So today there will be an opportunity uh to answer any questions you may have, but really it's about just affirming our relationship with the town of View Royal and giving you a sense of what are some of the services that the CRD does provide.

Colin Plant5:19

We are very recognized cognizant that there are members of your council who serve at the CRD, have been on committees and commissions and have worked in the CRD, but we do believe it's important, and perhaps some of your residents will benefit today from the information that will be stored on the webcast to understand the CRD.

Colin Plant5:34

So with that, I'll ask Mr.

Colin Plant5:36

Robbins to lead it through the presentation.

Colin Plant5:38

And likely after our delegation today or presentation, we will take our leave.

Colin Plant5:42

And we understand you're going to be here very late.

Colin Plant5:45

So have a great long meeting.

Ted Robbins5:52

And uh good afternoon, Mayor and Council, members of uh staff that are here, and members of the public that are here and uh tuned in online.

Ted Robbins5:59

Uh as Chair Plant said, my name is Ted Robbins, and I'm the Chief Administrative Officer at the Capitol Regional District, and we really appreciate the opportunity to come and present to you today.

Ted Robbins6:07

Uh we wanted an opportunity to introduce our leadership team, allow you to put uh faces to names, and likewise for us, uh, really create that uh opportunity for you to reach out uh over the course of your term, uh, have any questions answered through our executive leadership team and staff at the CRD.

Ted Robbins6:24

Um, also wanted an opportunity to share a little bit about uh the regional district and the services we provide, and um and we'll get to the presentation.

Ted Robbins6:32

As Chair Plant said, a number of you, of course, are familiar with the work the CRD does, having served on different committees and commissions, and of course, uh Merit Tobias serving on the board and even former staff.

Ted Robbins6:42

Uh so uh great to see you all.

Ted Robbins6:44

Uh but we thought we would take this uh time early in the term, as as uh Chair Plant mentioned.

Ted Robbins6:49

Uh, we're about I think eight or so in to our 13 municipality roadshow now, so uh looking forward to visiting all the municipalities across the region uh early in the term here.

Ted Robbins7:01

So now I'm just gonna get back to start of the presentation.

Ted Robbins7:09

I'm going the wrong direction.

Ted Robbins7:19

Sorry, folks.

Ted Robbins7:21

There we go.

Ted Robbins7:29

All right, we'll start here.

Ted Robbins7:30

Uh I'm just gonna advance it.

Ted Robbins7:32

There we go.

Ted Robbins7:33

All right, so um do have some slides to guide the presentation uh this evening.

Ted Robbins7:37

There are some slides at the end uh that are there for your information, uh slides that highlight some of the major projects and initiatives we're working on across our different departments.

Ted Robbins7:45

Like I say, there for your information, happy to take any questions, but we'll try and keep the presentation uh to about 10 or 15 minutes or so.

Ted Robbins7:52

Uh so what are regional districts, anyways?

Ted Robbins7:55

Uh well, uh, regional districts are of course an order of government uh established by Letters Patent in British Columbia back in 1966.

Ted Robbins8:01

And as a result, we have quite a unique local government structure here in British Columbia.

Ted Robbins8:05

Uh, unique uh compared to the rest of Canada.

Ted Robbins8:07

BC, of course, is the only province in the country that has uh the regional district structure.

Ted Robbins8:12

Does anybody know how many regional districts there are in the province of BC?

Ted Robbins8:18

27.

Ted Robbins8:19

27 regional districts uh in BC.

Ted Robbins8:22

Um and regional districts really arose uh out of a need back in the mid 60s uh for greater regional cooperation on regional and sub regional issues and particularly around service delivery.

Ted Robbins8:35

And today regional districts really serve three primary purposes.

Ted Robbins8:38

We do provide region wide services, so those services that can be better provided by a local government at the regional level rather than having municipalities deal with certain service delivery on their own.

Ted Robbins8:50

So particular in particular waste management, parks, and regional planning.

Ted Robbins8:55

Of course, some regional utility functions are served best by the municipal by the regional district.

Ted Robbins9:00

Our second primary function is to provide those intermunicipal or sub-regional services that can be best delivered and more effectively delivered by a sub-regional service delivery model, essentially a shared service delivery model.

Ted Robbins9:13

And one of the real beauties of the regional district model is that those sub-regional services can be shared and cost shared by those participants that directly benefit from those services.

Ted Robbins9:24

And it's really up to the municipalities in terms of which services they want to participate in at a sub regional level.

Ted Robbins9:30

And our third primary function, of course, is to act as the local government for the unincorporated areas of the regional district.

Ted Robbins9:35

And in our case, we have three electoral areas that are unincorporated, those being the Salt Spring Island electoral area, the Southern Gulf Islands electoral area, and the Juan de Fuca electoral area.

Ted Robbins9:52

What's going on here?

Sterling Scory9:57

There we go.

Ted Robbins9:59

This slide and this table really give you a sense of the services that the CRD provides, a very high level.

Ted Robbins10:05

This certainly isn't a complete list.

Ted Robbins10:07

But when you see this table, it's clear to understand why some members of the public find it a little confusing in terms of what the role of the regional district is and what services we provide.

Ted Robbins10:17

Just a couple of examples to draw your attention to here.

Ted Robbins10:20

So with parks, for example, of course, there are municipal parks that you operate as a municipality.

Ted Robbins10:26

There are regional parks that the CRD is responsible for.

Ted Robbins10:29

And then, of course, there are provincial parks here in the province.

Ted Robbins10:32

So sometimes it's unclear as to who's responsible for what and who delivers what in terms of those uh services.

Ted Robbins10:39

Likewise, with water and wastewater utilities, of course, uh, in most cases, the municipalities operate, municipal water and wastewater utility systems to serve uh your residents.

Ted Robbins10:48

Uh the CRD operates uh sub-regional and regional services when it comes to utility uh operations.

Ted Robbins10:54

But of course, the province is responsible for groundwater and uh and water licensing.

Ted Robbins10:58

So, again, a bit of a split in terms of the uh jurisdictional responsibilities.

Ted Robbins11:03

So, again, this isn't a complete list, but just to give you a sense of where the regional district fits in terms of service delivery uh in the in the region here.

Ted Robbins11:16

Uh just for some context, uh the CRD covers a large area, about 237,000 hectares to be exact, and the population continues to grow.

Ted Robbins11:24

Uh we're currently sitting at about 440,000 people across the capital region, and the region, of course, is composed of 13 different municipalities and three electoral areas, as I mentioned.

Ted Robbins11:34

There are at least 18 First Nations that identify parts of the Capitol region as traditional territory, 11 of which have reserve lands and settlement lands within the Capitol Regional District boundaries.

Ted Robbins11:46

And many of those nations do receive services from the CRD and in some cases services directly from the neighboring municipalities as well.

Ted Robbins11:55

In terms of the governance and administrative structure of the CRD, the governing body, of course, is the CRD board with 21 municipal directors and three directly elected electoral area directors, all of who make up the 24 member board.

Ted Robbins12:10

First Nations in the region do not participate at the board table.

Ted Robbins12:13

Only modern Treaty First Nations have representation at regional district boards, such as the Suwassan First Nation, which has a seat at the Metro Vancouver board on the lower mainland, but there are currently no modern treaty first nations in the CRD.

Ted Robbins12:28

The board chair establishes standing committees of the board each year, and we have 10 standing committees this year.

Ted Robbins12:34

And generally speaking, recommendations flow up from the standing committees, recommendations on policies and directions to staff, and those are ultimately approved by the board based on a recommendation from the standing committee.

Ted Robbins12:47

And of course, in addition to the standing committees, we have over 70 committees and commissions that have been established by the board to oversee administration and operation of our sub-regional and local services.

Ted Robbins12:59

As you might know, the CRD operates three corporate entities.

Ted Robbins13:05

In addition to the Capitol Regional District and its board, we operate the Capitol Regional Hospital District, which was incorporated in 1967 by way of the Hospital District Act to mandate the sharing of capital costs and deliver regional health facilities across the region.

Ted Robbins13:20

And the hospital district board was established shortly thereafter in 1974.

Ted Robbins13:23

And of course, we also operate the Capital Region Housing Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the CRD with a mandate to develop and manage and deliver affordable housing across the region.

Ted Robbins13:35

And the same administrative structure applies to all three entities.

Ted Robbins13:41

This slide is a shot of our board for the 2023 to 2026 term.

Ted Robbins13:44

Great shot there, great looking board.

Ted Robbins13:48

Director Plant is the current chair of the board, as we noted, and of course, Mayor Tobias is the V Royal Director on the CRD board for this term.

Ted Robbins13:57

And this board also represents the Housing Corporation Board and the Hospital District Board as well.

Ted Robbins14:05

In terms of the work the board has identified as priority work for the organization this year, the board has settled on five priority areas, which are summarized on this slide, those being transportation, housing, climate action, and environment, First Nations, and governance.

Ted Robbins14:21

And for those of you that have followed some of the board's priorities in previous terms, some of these high-level priority priorities may look familiar.

Ted Robbins14:30

The board acknowledges that at the highest level these continue to be the priority areas, but the board has agreed that there's a lot of work to do under these high level priorities, particularly around transportation, housing, and First Nations.

Ted Robbins14:45

So what we have prepared is what we refer to as our corporate plan.

Ted Robbins14:49

That's a cover shot on the left side of the slide there.

Ted Robbins14:52

And this document really sets out the work that as an organization we will deliver over the next three and a half years, the remainder of this term, to deliver on those board's' priorities and uh corporate initiatives that we feel are uh our priorities for the organization and for the board this term.

Ted Robbins15:08

So uh encourage you to go to the CRD website and uh uh find this document.

Ted Robbins15:13

Uh there that the document sets out about 134 specific initiatives that we've identified at the staff level that uh we will deliver over this term again to support uh those board priorities and our organizational priorities.

Ted Robbins15:30

With that, I'm gonna turn uh the presentation over to Nelson Chan, who's gonna walk through uh some material associated with service delivery and our financials.

Ted Robbins15:37

Thanks, Nelson.

K. Chan15:39

Thanks, Ted.

K. Chan15:40

Uh good afternoon, council.

K. Chan15:42

Uh, just want to re reiterate uh deep appreciation for the uh invitation to come and speak uh today.

K. Chan15:49

Um, as Ted mentioned, I think we've done uh eight or nine of these.

K. Chan15:52

Um, you know, most council meetings are at seven o'clock at night, so really appreciate committee of the whole at 3 30 in the afternoon.

K. Chan15:59

That is fantastic.

K. Chan16:02

So as Ted had mentioned, the CRD delivers over 200 services.

K. Chan16:07

They're listed, well, not listed, but they're grouped here.

K. Chan16:10

Geographically, we um uh characterize them as regional services, which is all the participants, sub regional, subset of that or local services.

K. Chan16:18

Um as uh Mr.

K. Chan16:20

Robbins had mentioned, uh, regional districts are the local government for electoral areas.

K. Chan16:24

So we do provide a majority of our services uh specifically to the EAs, um, which you can see there.

K. Chan16:31

Additionally, uh, we also gave you a nice little handout, uh, including the water bottles.

K. Chan16:35

Uh, the handout there is uh CRD on a page.

K. Chan16:38

Uh, it lists all of our regional and sub-regional services down one axis with all of the participants on the other axis.

K. Chan16:44

Left out all the local ones because those are really specific to the electoral areas.

K. Chan16:44

But you can really see in looking at the CRD on a page that there really is a wide selection or cross-section of participation by various jurisdictions.

K. Chan17:01

Really speaks to some of the ad hoc basket of goods or basket of services that each municipality can choose to participate in and really leverage some of those economies of scale or services that are more effectively delivered when consolidated or grouped together.

K. Chan17:19

A little bit a little bit on some of the differences financially or budget.

K. Chan17:26

The key difference between regional districts and municipalities.

K. Chan17:29

Regional districts are required by legislation to manage each one of those budgets for services independently.

K. Chan17:36

So I do oversee over 200 sets of books.

K. Chan17:40

It's really the only fair way of assuring cost allocation and cost apportionment to each one of those services because, as you see on your CR and a page sheet, each participant or each jurisdiction participates in a different set of services.

K. Chan17:54

So we really need to keep that those financials separate to have the most um you know transparent view of of effective uh cost uh and service delivery.

K. Chan18:05

Uh it's a little bit different than municipalities.

K. Chan18:07

Uh municipalities receive general revenue.

K. Chan18:09

Uh once that revenue flows in, uh municipalities are free to allocate those to the various services within their jurisdiction and what they service.

K. Chan18:19

Um for context, uh, you know, a little bit of orientation.

K. Chan18:23

Uh the regional district and all its entities are listed there.

K. Chan18:26

Uh, just for relative size, it's uh close to 700 million dollars on a consolidated basis.

K. Chan18:30

Uh this number fluctuates, uh, you know, mostly driven by capital.

K. Chan18:34

Uh, been as high as 900, almost a billion dollars uh in the last uh six years that I've been here.

K. Chan18:40

Uh but you can really see the the scope and scale of the housing uh corporation, the hospital district, uh, and the regional district in total.

K. Chan18:50

Um I always say that no financials deck would be complete without a big table with lots of numbers that are really hard to read.

K. Chan18:57

Uh so uh I will take a brief moment just to show this is a requisition by participant.

K. Chan19:09

Is we use requisition or property taxes to drive or fund about 25% of our operating revenue.

K. Chan19:17

I believe close to 80% of municipalities across the country require about 80% of their operating budgets are funded by requisition.

K. Chan19:27

So really happy to have a diversified revenue model.

K. Chan19:30

This table here shows all of the participants in the CRD and was really proud that the CRD board uh advanced a 2023 budget uh at an average cost per household requisition increase of 2.8%.

K. Chan19:44

That's the very bottom right uh percentage there, uh well below uh the CPI inflationary pressures in Greater Victoria, I believe came in at 7.0.

K. Chan19:53

Uh View Royal, which is bolded there uh based on View Royal's basket of goods, uh, came in just a little bit higher at 3.2% per average household.

K. Chan20:06

Uh finally, uh what does what does that mean for the average uh house in View Royal?

K. Chan20:12

Uh for the and the group of entities, uh the average cost the average household in View Royal pays about $480 dollars uh to receive CRD and HD services.

K. Chan20:23

Uh that's broken out in the column uh to the right.

K. Chan20:26

Um you can see that uh for CRD specific services about 237 dollars uh hospital district is there included there as well of course we cost share um uh health infrastructure with island health uh through our hospital district um and then as required by legislation all municipal debt must flow through the regional district so uh we we requisition about a hundred dollars uh per average household on behalf of view royal um to recover uh any any capital borrowings that you might have for capital infrastructure uh all in all uh it works out to about a dollar thirty two per day uh to receive all of these services.

K. Chan21:05

I can tell you I sent my mother a letter uh last week.

K. Chan21:08

It cost $1.37 uh for one letter to the US so uh $1.32 per day for all of those services.

K. Chan21:15

Not a bad value proposition, if you ask me.

K. Chan21:19

I'm happy to close the presentation off there.

K. Chan21:23

Additional slides include major capital projects.

K. Chan21:25

We won't go through them, but certainly happy to answer any questions.

K. Chan21:29

I'll do my best to quarterback any questions, but certainly want to extend a deep appreciation to the council, to staff as well.

K. Chan21:37

Sorry to he see that uh Mr.

K. Chan21:39

Enma's not here.

K. Chan21:40

We're in a bow tie club ourselves.

K. Chan21:42

Um but certainly uh thankful to uh the staff of uh View Royal in uh working together.

K. Chan21:47

Happy to take any questions.

Ron Mattson21:50

Thank you, Mr.

Sid Tobias21:51

Chen.

Sid Tobias21:52

Does council have uh questions in specific?

Sid Tobias21:56

Yes.

Sid Tobias21:58

Council Rogers.

John Rogers21:59

Yes, uh, thank you very much.

John Rogers21:59

Um talking about the uh regional trail system, and um I understand that uh CRD will be going ahead with about six kilometers of um uh creating um what um side uh pedestrian portions of regional trails, is that correct?

K. Chan22:21

I am really happy to get Larissa to come and answer that question.

Larissa Hutchinson22:27

Yes, thank you very much, Councilor Rogers, for the question and through you, Mayor.

Larissa Hutchinson22:30

Um yes, we do have a widening and lighting uh study for six kilometers of the regional trail network that spur about two kilometers in every direction from uptown.

Larissa Hutchinson22:41

Um we have that capital uh identified in our capital plan as cost shared with grants.

Larissa Hutchinson22:44

We've been unsuccessful so far with grant applications.

Larissa Hutchinson22:51

So later this year, in just a in a month or so, we'll be bringing forward at staff level some options for financing that major project, and it'll be uh subject to board approval to move that forward in some fashion or not, or to wait, continue to wait for grants.

Larissa Hutchinson23:06

So lots of good debate uh upcoming on that project.

John Rogers23:10

And if if I may continue on uh so uh could you update us on uh completing the final west shore portion of the ENN rail trail, getting to Humpback Road?

Larissa Hutchinson23:21

Right.

Larissa Hutchinson23:22

So we have just uh completed phase three, which is uh along Atkins, and phase four with the city of Victoria, uh down by the Johnson Street Bridge, and through the through the development down there.

Larissa Hutchinson23:34

Phase five is not in our short-term plan.

Larissa Hutchinson23:39

We have it in our regional trails management plan as something that's going to happen in out years, but that also is subject to grant funding.

Larissa Hutchinson23:48

So there's a lot of competing priorities for sure for the regional trails network.

Larissa Hutchinson23:52

In addition to those uh those projects for widening and lighting, we also have uh trestle and bridge uh uh repairs and refurbishments as well.

Larissa Hutchinson24:00

So there's a lot of uh future capital requirements for that trail network.

John Rogers24:06

I I guess I'm referring and also thinking of um um tourism Victoria moving to a destination Greater Victoria and ecotourism and the regional trail being so uh so popular, uh all three of them, and um you know, getting to Goldstream Park and and the um Trans Canada Trail, you know, would be essential deliverables uh up the island.

John Rogers24:27

So hopefully there might be um marketing opportunities in that regard.

Larissa Hutchinson24:32

That's a great idea.

Larissa Hutchinson24:33

Thank you very much.

Larissa Hutchinson24:34

Thank you.

Sid Tobias24:35

Thank you, Councillor Rogers.

Sid Tobias24:36

Councilor Brown, please.

Don Brown24:37

Yeah, there's a we did talk about it before the meeting, but uh Mill Hill Parks, a beautiful park, is one of my favorite parks.

Don Brown24:43

And of course, it's mostly in Langford, but it's on the border.

Don Brown24:45

And the Peninsula Stream Society uh built really nice fish ladders uh for coho salmon and for uh cutthroat trout, and I think it's a win-win-win situation um for more signage to encourage uh like Savory elementaries just up the road uh as a field trip uh for children to come and see the uh the fish spawning and uh uh Peninsula Stream spent a lot of money on that, and I think it's great.

Don Brown25:10

Like over a thousand fish have been counted already just this year, so uh that's only going to get more and more.

Don Brown25:15

So I think uh some signage there would be awesome.

Don Brown25:17

And I think it's a win for the park because you want to encourage more visitors, right?

Larissa Hutchinson25:21

Yeah, uh, through the mayor, um certainly uh Peninsula Stream Society uh initiated that project.

Larissa Hutchinson25:26

They uh did a lot of fundraising and brought a lot of the capital forward.

Larissa Hutchinson25:29

Uh regional parks contributed in kind with some equipment because the fish ladder is located uh in within the Mill Hill property boundary.

Larissa Hutchinson25:36

Um at this time the Peninsula Stream Society is is not encouraging a lot of public to visit visit that fish ladder, um perhaps because of some safety issues uh because it's quite steep there and also I think just to respect uh what's happening in the ecosystem I'll certainly take it back um that there is there was a question asked about uh promotion um it certainly is a good idea to have the kids out there for sure but we have to make sure that that we respect all the different factors there.

Don Brown26:02

Yeah we just uh in my townhouse complex we have Kelvin Park a really tiny park but it it's gonna an outlook area as well so uh we hope that kids from the in neighborhood will come down and and check it out but thanks Councillor Metz, please.

Ron Mattson26:19

Yes, and I'm not sure who answered this one, but where are we exactly with the sewage treatment plant?

Ron Mattson26:24

And I've heard criticisms that there's issues at the plant, and I just wanted to know what what's happening.

Ted Robbins26:29

Yeah, certainly I'll take that uh question, Councilor Three Mayor.

Ted Robbins26:30

Thank you.

Ted Robbins26:34

Yeah, of course, we're uh into about two and a half years of operation with the uh new core area wastewater treatment program and the operation of the McLaughlin wastewater treatment plant.

Ted Robbins26:44

Of course, V Royal is a participant uh with the other uh core area municipalities in that uh that service.

Ted Robbins26:50

Uh for the first two years of operation, we were in what was called a performance period where we were uh bound to uh work with the contractor who built the facility and the engineers who designed the facility for a two-year period just to prove out uh the operation.

Ted Robbins27:06

Um, and so that was a relatively challenging period.

Ted Robbins27:09

Uh it of course, as you're probably can appreciate, the wastewater treatment plant is a large, complex plant with a fairly tight compliance regime in terms of effluent quality, sludge quality that we have to send up to the residual treatment facility.

Ted Robbins27:25

And so that first two year period was really to prove out the operation, work with the design builders, the contractors who were actually on site for that full two year period, working with our staff who operated the facility to work through optimization, tweaking treatment processes, even tweaking staffing levels and whatnot in terms of trades functions to support the operation and uh operators on on shift.

Ted Robbins27:49

We operate, of course, a 24 7 uh shift rotation there with uh our operators.

Ted Robbins27:54

So working through all that um uh was a fairly challenging uh first two year period uh at the end of the two year period we accepted uh the the treatment plant um and other infrastructure associated with the program uh so we are fully responsible as the regional district now in terms of ongoing operations and there will still be ongoing uh tweaks and and adjustments to the treatment processes as we continue to optimize uh we have uh been operating the plant quite successfully uh our effluent quality is typically very good on a month to month basis however uh it doesn't take much to to throw our uh our what we call total solids and and uh BOD numbers uh out.

Ted Robbins28:35

Um, but we're continuing to work through that and we're in regular contact with uh our regulator of the province uh around ongoing uh optimization.

Ron Mattson28:43

Thank you.

Sid Tobias28:44

We'll just see if Councillor McKenzie might have a question before we go to you back to Council Ruth.

Alison MacKenzie28:50

I do have a question, but I believe there's more slides um that the CRD has, so I I will reserve mine until the end.

Sid Tobias28:58

I think they were pausing to give us an opportunity to ask questions.

Alison MacKenzie29:01

Oh, I'll wait until this.

Ted Robbins29:02

We weren't gonna go through the slides, just respecting uh the time that uh you've allotted.

Ted Robbins29:05

I know you have a busy afternoon here, but if you have a question about uh one of the slides that we haven't presented, happy to take that.

Alison MacKenzie29:11

Sure.

Alison MacKenzie29:12

So my question is in relation to culture and recreation.

Alison MacKenzie29:17

You might have seen on the agenda following this, there is a uh delegation on the uh Wandafuca Performing Arts Center.

Alison MacKenzie29:25

I was just curious what is the CRD's perspective or potential involvement in culture and arts in the West Shore.

Ted Robbins29:35

Yeah, certainly I'm gonna have uh Nelson Chan that falls within his portfolio, even though he's our chief financial officer to take that question.

Ted Robbins29:42

Thanks.

K. Chan29:43

Uh thanks, Ted.

K. Chan29:44

That's a great question.

K. Chan29:45

Uh so arts and culture does fall within my portfolio.

K. Chan29:48

Um, I do have a personal interest in it.

K. Chan29:49

My brother's an artist, so uh it's it's something that's near and dear to my heart uh for sure.

K. Chan29:54

Um as uh as previously mentioned, so the CRD functions or uh delivers services uh at the request of uh participants, jurisdictions within uh the capital region.

K. Chan30:07

Uh we do have a couple of uh arts-related services.

K. Chan30:11

Uh, in fact, we have three of them.

K. Chan30:12

Um, there's a arts and culture support services service, which is a granting function, education, awareness outreach function to support the sector in the region.

K. Chan30:24

And then for arts facilities, we have two separate functions, one for the Royal Theater and then one for the McPherson Theater.

K. Chan30:47

That the last board um uh couldn't really land on uh on a solid uh decision on a regional service, referred that to strategic planning for this board uh and at at uh at current um at our current pace uh as uh mr robbins had shown uh the corporate plan uh this board settled on scaling up support uh for uh uh arts facilities and the arts and culture support service so I would say you know really the current role from staff or the current direction that we have through the corporate plan is to support and scale up uh for existing services in the Royal and the McPherson.

K. Chan31:24

Currently I would say we don't have a mechanism uh to support capital improvements for facilities that we don't have the service established for.

K. Chan31:32

If that's helpful.

Alison MacKenzie31:33

Yes, thank you.

Sid Tobias31:36

Thank you uh Nelson.

Sid Tobias31:37

And I had one question before I go to you, probably for the final question, if we can agree on that, so we can get on with the agenda.

Sid Tobias31:44

I've got a question about the CRD Transit Authority concept.

Sid Tobias31:49

And I do that to enlighten my fellow colleagues here.

Sid Tobias31:54

What's the latest thinking about that?

Sid Tobias31:56

And here's View Royal's interest as I see it.

Sid Tobias31:59

Is View Royal since the inception of the BC Transit Commission, we have never had a seat at the table.

Sid Tobias32:10

And we are the nexus of all of the transportation needs going through uh View Royal, either up island or of course to the further destinations west shore.

Sid Tobias32:23

So any concept about that to help uh my colleagues understand that would be great.

Sid Tobias32:28

Thank you.

K. Lorette32:39

Yeah, thank you through you, Mayor.

K. Lorette32:41

Um, it's a great question.

K. Lorette32:43

Uh the CRD board did uh highlight transportation as a priority this year.

K. Lorette32:48

Uh one of the initiatives that's in the corporate plan is for us to consider options for uh transportation governance in the region.

K. Lorette32:54

And that uh when you look around what transportation governance means, it it's a varied um from each of the municipalities will have a different opinion on what level of support they would have towards transportation governance.

K. Lorette33:08

Uh we did take a report through our transportation uh committee last month, and it's coming up to our board tomorrow.

K. Lorette33:15

And it really does lay out the background work and uh lays out the next uh for the rest of the summer, us uh undertaking an engagement process.

K. Lorette33:25

So, really the process would be uh referring a package to each of the municipalities.

K. Lorette33:31

There'll be a booklet for you to work through, and it really looks at what are the challenges each municipality is facing, what are some of the opportunities, and what do you see uh the benefits of creating a new transportation authority?

K. Lorette33:43

Transportation authority could mean a consolidation of existing CRD services with our our trails function and with our planning function.

K. Lorette33:52

We can expand that to uh include taking on programming, uh, even raising capital so that we can attract me uh grants from higher uh levels of uh funding the provincial or federal and then it could also mean uh in a longer term maybe a uh including transit into a full authority but uh we need to do that engagement uh engaging with the stakeholders in the region that that deliver transportation services and uh engaging with the municipalities so you'll expect to see something coming to uh to your council here by mid-July that'll have that uh that package and staff are definitely open to coming to support that discussion if they if there's a a request for that as well.

Sid Tobias34:35

That's perfect.

Sid Tobias34:36

Thank you very much.

Sid Tobias34:37

My last question is maybe somewhat contentious, and that is um the provincial government has announced a change in their housing strategy.

Sid Tobias34:47

As we've had it before, the housing strategy was based around land economic use studies, housing needs analysis, CRD participation for balance and growth rates, and of course our official community plans.

Sid Tobias35:02

Has the province engaged the CRD on what those plans might look like for change or legislation?

Sid Tobias35:11

Or do you feel that there will be an opportunity for the CRD to be engaged and have input into that plan before the legislation uh goes before.

K. Lorette35:31

Uh thank you for the question and through you, Mayor.

K. Lorette35:34

Uh the province has uh identified uh looking at various policy change to uh attract investment.

K. Lorette35:41

Uh they did um uh convene a meeting in Vancouver uh about a month ago that included senior staff and included uh elected officials, and it started to lay out some of the concerns, some of the some of the opportunities, and just talking about an approach forward.

K. Lorette35:58

I believe that was through UBCM as well in coordinating that uh that that town hall session.

K. Lorette36:04

And they expect that there's going to be another one called uh uh in Vancouver shortly as a follow-on meeting.

K. Lorette36:11

So our some staff did attend that, uh, but in terms of um you know, have we provided direct uh input into it?

K. Lorette36:19

That's that's still ongoing and it's open for further discussion.

K. Lorette36:22

We've we've provided input uh on how housing links to transportation corridors and and along that sense and the and the regional growth strategy as a planning tool for the region.

K. Lorette36:33

And so a lot of that has been made aware to the province as they work through this uh process.

Sid Tobias36:39

Thank you very much.

Sid Tobias36:40

I'll go to councillor Rogers for the final question.

John Rogers36:44

Uh it was something similar to uh Maryor Tobias, and and this was um related to um asking the CRD if we're gonna have to recalibrate all our estimates for water supply, heartland, landfill, hospitals, as the province tells all regional municipalities that were on the hit list, were on the naughty list.

John Rogers36:59

We're not doing enough.

John Rogers37:06

We need X, Y, Z, which means more people, more demand for water and hospitals and all that.

John Rogers37:12

Are we ready for that?

John Rogers37:13

And have we do we have to rethink our cost estimates like $2 billion for um the water supply?

Ted Robbins37:23

Yeah, thank you, uh, Councillor Three Mayor.

Ted Robbins37:26

Um certainly in general, uh, we will continue to recalibrate all our uh uh strategic plans and and master plans.

Ted Robbins37:34

You referred to the 30-year water master plan.

Ted Robbins37:36

Uh we indicated at that time that uh we will update that plan on probably a five to 10 year cycle, uh depending on growth estimates and correlating those with the estimates that were used in those various documents.

Ted Robbins37:50

So I would say in general that that recalibration work will happen across our different service areas as we start to realize and understand what the impacts might be with not only just growth in general across the region, but changing pressures as a result of the housing needs.

Ted Robbins38:09

Certainly at the municipal level on the utility side, I'm not sure the province actually anticipated the requirements to start servicing development at a municipal level in terms of utility capacity.

Ted Robbins38:22

And then, of course, you extend that to uh sub-regional and regional services, uh, it becomes a potentially a bigger issue.

Ted Robbins38:29

So, certainly it's on our radar, and we'll and we'll work across the organization to uh update those plans as necessary.

Sid Tobias38:36

Thank you very much, Chair Plant, and all the executive team for coming out today.

Sid Tobias38:41

It's um uh it was great that you made the uh effort.

Sid Tobias38:44

I'm glad we could accommodate you on a beautiful but windy afternoon.

Sid Tobias38:48

So thank you again for coming.

Ted Robbins38:51

Thank you.

Sid Tobias38:55

And next up uh on our agenda is of course, um, there's been some foreshadowing.

Sid Tobias39:01

Uh we have a presentation uh by Ms.

Sid Tobias39:04

Collington, the president of the Juan de Fuca uh Performing Arts Center Society and the proposed West Shore Arts and Culture Center.

J. Cullington39:13

Thank you for having us here.

J. Cullington39:15

Thank you, Mayor Tobias.

J. Cullington39:17

Thank you, Council.

J. Cullington39:20

My name is Judith Cullington.

J. Cullington39:22

I am president of the Wonder Fuca Performing Arts Center Society.

J. Cullington39:26

I'm wondering that's what I was looking for, the slide presentation going up.

J. Cullington39:33

I also want to acknowledge that we meet, we live, we work, we play on the unceded traditional territories of the Lakwangan speaking people, and for that we are grateful.

J. Cullington39:43

With me today I have board members Al Lehman and David Stocks.

J. Cullington39:48

And I would also like to acknowledge that Colin Plant was here, who is chair of the CRD board and has also been a longtime supporter of this project.

J. Cullington39:57

So let me start by saying thank you, View Royal.

J. Cullington39:59

Thank you for your very generous grant and aid contribution towards our accessibility study, and I will touch on that a little bit later.

J. Cullington40:07

It is very much appreciated.

J. Cullington40:09

I also want to say it was nice to see so many of you at the party for the arts that we held back in April.

J. Cullington40:15

I hope you all had as much fun as we did.

J. Cullington40:18

What I want to do today is to provide a brief update on progress to date and come with a specific ask at the end.

J. Cullington40:26

And for those of you who were there at the party, you might find there are there are one or two slides that you you recognize.

J. Cullington40:34

So, Wonderfuca Performing Arts Centre Society.

J. Cullington40:37

We are a registered charity.

J. Cullington40:40

We have a very simple vision, which is vital, we feel, to the West Shore community.

J. Cullington40:47

We want to see the creation of a community oriented arts and culture centre that serves the West Shore and beyond.

J. Cullington40:57

I do not expect you to be able to read that slide.

J. Cullington41:22

There have over the years been numerous studies that have identified the need for this centre, mostly, most recently, the 2021 CRD Stage One report, which some of you may be familiar with.

J. Cullington41:34

Of note, that report recognized and identified a lack of performance space in the West Shore, not news to any of us around the table, a lack of accessible performance space around the entire region, and a lack of theatres in the 300 to 500 seat range in the entire region.

J. Cullington41:54

But I wanted to point out that we are working to build more than just a theatre.

J. Cullington42:00

We want you to imagine a place that's humming with activity, so it's spaces for people of all ages to learn to play an instrument, to take drama classes, to get hands on in a fine arts or pottery class.

J. Cullington42:17

It needs to be a space that provides affordable space for local groups to put on performances.

J. Cullington42:23

There will be ever changing displays from local artists in the in our gallery.

J. Cullington42:29

The cafe is somewhere that people can kind of come out, come and hang out.

J. Cullington42:33

It's a space where the community comes together to meet, to share ideas, to co create.

J. Cullington42:39

It is, as we like to say, the heart of the community.

J. Cullington42:45

So, more specifically in terms of what should we build.

J. Cullington42:49

Last year we commissioned a report by some very capable consultants, and we said, what is it that we should be building?

J. Cullington42:59

So, what this consultants did is through talking to people through all of the kind of the work and studies that we've done over the year, they have presented a package of these are the kind of spaces that we think should be built.

J. Cullington43:14

It's not cast in stone, but we feel it's a really strong starting point.

J. Cullington43:19

So, including things like a 350-seat theatre with a large lobby, exhibition space, multipurpose rehearsal room, smaller rooms for teaching and classes and workshops and meetings, a studio with a sprung floor for dance, classroom spaces for music and drama, dedicated art room, pottery studios, maybe space for recording and podcasting, gathering spaces, storage spaces, arts communities are always looking for storage spaces, office space, cafe bistro, and accessible and inclusive spaces and programs.

J. Cullington43:54

So we think it's a well balanced approach.

J. Cullington43:57

It meets a lot of community needs.

J. Cullington44:00

It will create a vibrant and happening place where people want to come and hang out.

J. Cullington44:15

About ability.

J. Cullington44:17

So we want to ensure that the proposed spaces are accessible both for artists and for audiences, people with physical and mental challenges, that they are welcoming and inclusive spaces for people who are gender diverse, neurodiverse, all of the many different cultures from our region.

J. Cullington44:36

So, as you know, with support from the West Shore Arts Council, we have funding from the BC Arts Council and a number of West Shore municipalities, including, thank you, Piroa.

J. Cullington44:49

We are undertaking a study to learn more about how to make this space truly excellent for all.

J. Cullington44:55

And I'm excited to announce that in a couple of days' time we have our first kickoff meeting with our consultants.

J. Cullington45:00

So very much looking forward to that.

J. Cullington45:02

And we feel that with the feasibility study, this will give us a really solid foundation for understanding what needs to be built.

J. Cullington45:11

Just as a little bit of background, last summer our board members went out into the community and we talked to quite literally hundreds of residents.

J. Cullington45:22

Just as an aside, we went out with a stack of frisbees and we would throw frisbees at people and use them to use that to engage them in conversation.

J. Cullington45:31

Almost without exception, everyone said, what a great idea.

J. Cullington45:36

We need this, we would love to have this close to home.

J. Cullington45:41

And what struck us is so many people shared the exact same story.

J. Cullington45:45

There are lots of sports facilities in the West Shore, but we have to go to town to access the arts and culture.

J. Cullington45:54

We also heard time and time again from the arts community in terms of their need for space.

J. Cullington46:01

Just as one example, this image or this series of images are taken from the West Shore Show West Shore Arts Showcase that we held as a fundraiser back in 2019.

J. Cullington46:13

And we held it in a church because there was no other performance space.

J. Cullington46:18

And we hear similar stories all the time.

J. Cullington46:23

Again, background that I think I'm speaking to the converted on this.

J. Cullington46:29

Arts and culture are good for us.

J. Cullington46:31

Good for our minds, they make us feel good, they're essential to children's development.

J. Cullington46:37

They keep our minds active as we age, they add joy to our lives, and there is extensive research that speaks to the well value of art therapy for our mental health and well being.

J. Cullington46:50

The arts, of course, are also good for our local economy.

J. Cullington46:53

This is comes from a study that was done by the Digital Innovation Group a couple of years ago.

J. Cullington46:58

One of the findings that really struck me, and this is Vancouver Island and Gulf Islands Wide, but what they found is the arts add nearly one billion dollars in direct economic outputs every year.

J. Cullington47:14

That compares to the cruise ship industry, which contributes 124 million.

J. Cullington47:18

124 million, one billion.

J. Cullington47:23

And we all talk about how good the cruise ship industry is.

J. Cullington47:36

Yep.

J. Cullington47:39

We seem to have a slide missing.

J. Cullington47:42

So I'm going to fill in the dots for you.

J. Cullington47:45

And I know that this is this is the slide that Mayor Tobias really wants me to show.

J. Cullington47:49

Because it talks about how much this is going to cost and who's going to pay for it.

J. Cullington47:54

So our consultants identified that the capital costs of what we're proposing is around $40 million dollars.

J. Cullington48:01

That does not include land, it does not include parking.

J. Cullington48:04

These things do not come cheap.

J. Cullington48:07

Our intention is that this is funded through federal and provincial contributions and a significant fundraising campaign to raise private contributions.

J. Cullington48:17

You will note that I did not list municipalities on that list.

J. Cullington48:21

It is not our expectation that municipalities would be contributing significant amounts to the capital costs.

J. Cullington48:28

Can I say that again?

J. Cullington48:29

This is not our expectation that municipalities would be contributing significantly to capital costs.

J. Cullington48:34

However, on the operating side, our consultants also looked at a model operating budget for this centre.

J. Cullington48:41

And obviously, it's going to be designed so that you know the financial model will as much as possible offset the costs, excuse me, of running the facility.

J. Cullington48:52

But just like all other sports and arts facilities, there is a shortfall, and our expect expectation is that that would be funded through the five municipalities.

J. Cullington49:02

The good news is if that amount is shared amongst all five municipalities, it works out to about seven dollars per person.

J. Cullington49:11

So Mr.

J. Cullington49:12

Chan talked about $1.32 a day.

J. Cullington49:17

This is less than a dollar a month.

J. Cullington49:19

So I think you can call that a pretty good deal.

J. Cullington49:25

So just to wrap up this section, we we feel we have a clearly identified need for this facility.

J. Cullington49:33

We've done our job of identifying the kind of spaces that should be included.

J. Cullington49:37

Location is to be determined.

J. Cullington49:39

We certainly have ideas, but it is it is not fixed.

J. Cullington49:46

If we are to make this happen, we feel that our group needs to be moving forward on three fronts this year.

J. Cullington49:55

The first is building partners.

J. Cullington49:58

Excuse me.

J. Cullington49:59

We do not want to build a standalone arts and culture center.

J. Cullington50:03

Land is too valuable.

J. Cullington50:05

There are too many other community needs.

J. Cullington50:07

So we are actively looking for who else is looking to build space, who else would make good partnerships as a part of this venture.

J. Cullington50:16

What are all the kind of synergies and collaborations that could happen out of this?

J. Cullington50:21

So, as one example, we've been talking with the Village Initiative, which you may be familiar with, who are looking for spaces for youth and mental health.

J. Cullington50:30

So that's the you know an example of the kind of partnership we're looking for.

J. Cullington50:36

We're also trying to work on fundraising.

J. Cullington50:38

We are an excuse me, we are an entirely volunteer group, and we have a very, very tidy budget.

J. Cullington50:46

We want to be in a position to hire a part-time coordinator this year.

J. Cullington50:50

So another piece that we're going to be working on is really trying to kind of step up our game.

J. Cullington50:55

We also need to have a very clear mandate from all five Bushore municipalities.

J. Cullington51:03

And to that end, we're looking at creating an intermunicipal committee.

J. Cullington51:09

So the thinking is it's an ad hoc committee.

J. Cullington51:13

Each council would designate one member of council to participate in the shared discussion.

J. Cullington51:19

The role is looking, you know, looking at those shared proposed shared spaces and saying, you know, is that kind of the right kind of list?

J. Cullington51:26

Looking at the financial model, is that something that everybody's comfortable with?

J. Cullington51:31

What location should we be looking at?

J. Cullington51:34

Because I think that's going to be a very interesting intermunicipal discussion.

J. Cullington51:38

We need to move towards a shovel ready project.

J. Cullington51:42

We have been frustrated a number of times by watching really good grant opportunities come and go, and we need to we need to be in a position to kind of go, yep, we're going to apply for that one.

J. Cullington51:53

Um, so I was very pleased to see Mayor Tobias and the other um mayors at the the recent Chamber of Commerce Visions West Shore clearly showing support for moving this forward.

J. Cullington52:05

That was that was wonderful to see, and it was also wonderful to see language in the CRD corporate plan that talked about moving this as well.

J. Cullington52:14

So, my request for you today, um through whatever appropriate process, is for the town of Uroyal to designate one of your council members as your representative on this intermunicipal committee.

J. Cullington52:29

And I want to to reinforce that there's no commitment at this moment in time.

J. Cullington52:34

Not any financial commitment or other.

J. Cullington52:38

This is simply a conversation, but it's an important conversation which kind of moves us to where where we need to be.

J. Cullington52:44

It's also not our intention to make it too onerous.

J. Cullington52:46

We know everybody's incredibly busy, so you need to make it something that's kind of a manageable piece for everyone.

J. Cullington52:52

But it is an essential part in moving this project forward.

J. Cullington52:56

And with that, I will pass it over for questions.

Sid Tobias53:00

Thank you very much.

Sid Tobias53:02

And if there you were willing to, we've got to build an RCMP building.

Sid Tobias53:05

So if you guys could get together, that would be a thing.

Sid Tobias53:08

Kidding, not kidding.

Sid Tobias53:10

Is there any questions from counselors?

Sid Tobias53:14

Councilor Matson.

Ron Mattson53:15

Yeah, I'm just curious as to the size of this building.

Ron Mattson53:18

And how many, how big a footprint are you do you need?

J. Cullington53:24

The consultant report suggested about 36,000 square feet.

J. Cullington53:28

Um I suspect the overall is going to be larger than that because I think we will be adding on um additional spaces, whatever those needs are.

J. Cullington53:38

But also looking at kind of how do we best make joint use of of space.

J. Cullington53:41

For example, if there's you know uh meeting spaces, you know, it's not just the arts groups who will use them, it's it's other groups who will use them as well.

Ron Mattson53:49

So for example, if we were to go say to the West Shore Parks and Rec, we need X number of square feet of your space so that a building can be built.

Ron Mattson54:01

What sort of square footage of their property would you need?

J. Cullington54:04

So what's the footprint?

J. Cullington54:06

I don't know the answer to that, um, because I'm I'm anticipating that we won't do it all on one level, that we will we will go go up.

J. Cullington54:14

Um so it's it's gonna depend on the architectural design and and we haven't gone there yet.

Ron Mattson54:22

Thank you.

Sid Tobias54:25

Councillor McKenzie, then Councillor Rogers.

Alison MacKenzie54:29

Thank you for your presentation.

Alison MacKenzie54:31

I'm glad you clarified that involvement in the uh intermunicipal committee doesn't necessarily mean the commitment to the funds at this point because I uh because it will be an ongoing cost, I assume that we will need to look at the budget.

Alison MacKenzie54:47

I'm looking at John uh and and see how that would be funded on an ongoing basis.

Alison MacKenzie54:52

That said, that normally happens you know next uh February time.

Alison MacKenzie55:00

Is that what kind of timelines are you thinking in terms of the financial commitment decisions?

J. Cullington55:08

The good news is probably not during your term, because you know, of course, we we have to, you know, we have to get it built and all of the many stages involved in in getting to that point, including significant fundraising to get there.

J. Cullington55:24

Um and obviously operating costs don't kick in until it's it's built.

J. Cullington55:29

Um I could get incredibly optimistic in saying, you know, if if all hands were on deck and and we're moving forward at 100 miles an hour, we could we could start to see shovels in the ground in three years.

J. Cullington55:40

But um I've I've long since given up predicting when this is going to happen.

Alison MacKenzie55:47

Thank you.

Sid Tobias55:49

Counselor Rogers.

John Rogers55:51

Yes, thanks.

John Rogers55:52

I'll just point out that it's more than art therapy, there's also music therapy.

John Rogers55:56

Um so uh uh there's many aspects to uh uh substantiate um uh the the goals that you're you're striving for.

John Rogers56:04

Um and I think another one is um uh by having uh this facility in the West Shores is the um the green opportunity.

John Rogers56:11

You know, we don't have to travel downtown, just be able to like shop local.

John Rogers56:15

And um and what I also hope, I'm encouraged with the uh CRD's presentation today because it is a um and part of their vision is to have regional arts um uh amenities and facilities.

John Rogers56:28

Um so if we do get to that point then we are um all in unison over 450,000 residents can benefit from the what's in the north um in the uh in Sydney and in the West Shore in the core.

John Rogers56:43

Um and it's also really really good for tourism.

John Rogers56:46

As you know, destination greater Victoria is is really pumping um uh the amenities and features of all parts of the regional district.

John Rogers56:54

And I think if the uh the capital regional district and the five municipalities of West Shore join together, uh, we'll be much better to keep that tourism revenue to facilitate and augment the maintenance that's required.

John Rogers57:09

Thank you.

Sid Tobias57:10

And yes, I I would certainly support a uh um member of council being on your committee and i think uh um sarah just to make a note if we could to uh include some discussion on next week's council agenda for um a council representation on the intermunicipal arts and culture facility committee i think that's what we're gonna call it i don't know what that works out to an acronym i i think councillor lemon that would fit nicely under her portfolio but i won't uh second guess the will of council, and we could discuss that at that point.

Sid Tobias57:48

Um, but thank you very much for your presentation.

Sid Tobias57:51

Very supportive of your continued work and and commitment to this worthy goal.

Sid Tobias57:56

Thank you.

J. Cullington57:57

Thank you all and thank you.

Sid Tobias58:02

And I think that brings us to the agenda uh to the um uh public participation period.

Sid Tobias58:11

So I'd like to start in the room if we could first, if anybody had a comment or question for council.

Sid Tobias58:20

Um any volunteers to address council today.

Sid Tobias58:26

Passive group here to listen.

Sid Tobias58:28

That's fine.

Sid Tobias58:29

Thank you for that.

Sid Tobias58:30

Carl, I'll go to you and uh see if there's anybody on the phone that would like to address council.

Sid Tobias58:37

Mayor Tobias, we have no callers this afternoon.

Sid Tobias58:41

Okay, very well.

Sid Tobias58:42

We can move down, and I would just encourage the chairs to mind the time.

Sid Tobias58:48

Um, and I think uh having uh our next step is uh protective services, and I'll pass the chair over to Councillor Brown, please.

Don Brown59:00

Welcome everybody to the Protective Services Committee portion of the meeting.

Don Brown59:04

Um, I'll have a very short report just to let everyone know that the Crest radio system now has moved to the West Shore.

Don Brown59:10

They're actually in uh Langford now, so they provide the radios for the ambulance police and fire and for emergency uh preparedness.

Don Brown59:18

So uh I think it might be helpful.

Don Brown59:20

I mean, you have to repair phones or replace phones and uh they're right in the West Shore Parkway by the big motorcycle shop there.

Don Brown59:26

Yep.

Don Brown59:27

So other than that, um see uh Superintendent Preston's here, and I'd like to call you to make your report, please, Superintendent.

T. Preston59:38

Thank you, Council Rell.

T. Preston59:39

Uh Mr.

T. Preston59:39

Mayor, Council, thanks for having me as usual.

T. Preston59:42

Um, I am a little tight for uh time added.

T. Preston59:44

I have another engagement here in about uh 25 minutes.

T. Preston59:47

I need to get to.

T. Preston59:48

So I will uh start off by just going through some general set uh statistics here.

T. Preston59:53

Uh thus far from January 1st to May 31st, we've had a 12% increase or 138 uh additional files over year over year uh from last year.

T. Preston1:00:05

Um it's uh good to report that uh in that same time period we've had a six percent decrease in uh violent crime.

T. Preston1:00:13

Fortunately, we've had a 23% increase in property crime.

T. Preston1:00:14

Um, and that seems to be an ongoing trend throughout the West Shore.

T. Preston1:00:22

Um, I think I've reported to you before about not only property crime, uh, but all-encompassing, obviously, um, including shoplifting, which was last year was up 100% uh in the West Shore.

T. Preston1:00:35

Um, you've had a 17% increase uh in files at the casino.

T. Preston1:00:42

So in the January to May 31st, we went to the casino 49 times for calls for service, most of which are uh alcohol uh and cause disturbance related.

T. Preston1:00:58

Uh we had an 8% increase uh at the hospital uh during that same time period, um, which represents a seven seven file increase.

T. Preston1:01:07

But overall, we went to the hospital 91 times thus far this year, this calendar year, uh, to the end of May.

T. Preston1:01:16

We've also uh within the hospital uh there was a 50% increase in relation to mental health calls uh as such at the hospital during that time.

T. Preston1:01:27

But overall, uh, from last year we had a 13% decrease in overall mental health calls, but we still had 86 calls in your area uh since January 1st.

T. Preston1:01:41

Um, and so I'll touch base on that.

T. Preston1:01:43

And I know I've talked to you with the staffing increase this year, which is actually nine members.

T. Preston1:01:49

So Callwood gave one member, uh, Langford uh gave four members, Machosen gave four members.

T. Preston1:01:57

So a total of nine of that, uh, we're looking at creating three three positions, a corporal and two constables uh for mental health, uh, a mental health team.

T. Preston1:02:06

And we're working collaboratively with the province, and I'm cautiously optimistic that we're gonna be able to uh hopefully secure some nurse practitioners uh to have a fulsome team that can go and address these very calls that perhaps aren't uh best suited to police officers going alone, uh, and perhaps their education and training isn't the best person for those calls for service, but certainly still needs to be part of the solution, oftentimes, and unfortunately, very unpredictable calls.

T. Preston1:02:37

And we've seen, I think, in the paper, some of those calls.

T. Preston1:02:40

So, anyways, I'm I'm pleased to announce that we have those positions and we should have those hopefully in place here by the uh the end of the calendar year.

T. Preston1:02:49

We'll have that team up and running.

T. Preston1:02:50

Uh, general information uh traffic traffic unit.

T. Preston1:02:54

So this is just our traffic unit, which encompasses a corporal and uh through three constables uh in the month of May, just May, uh 17 interactions, through uh three school zones uh patrols, 12 uh speeding and uh sorry, speed warnings, six speeding charges, one prohibited driver, and two other charges.

T. Preston1:03:14

That's just our targeted uh team of of traffic enforcement.

T. Preston1:03:15

Uh that's not including statistics from our general duty officers.

T. Preston1:03:22

Uh probably one of the more significant things and I'm I'm disheartened and dismayed to be honest is school district 61's decision to ask for the removal of uh our school resource officers.

T. Preston1:03:35

I can't make sense of it.

T. Preston1:03:36

I have uh uh I would strongly encourage if you feel the same way uh you have a stronger voice than I do uh to advocate perhaps for um more dialogue on how how we came to that decision.

T. Preston1:03:49

Um I'll probably stop there before I continue.

T. Preston1:03:53

Uh so um sorry do you want to Council Brown did you want to interject?

Don Brown1:03:58

Yeah uh well we do have an item coming up on the agenda regarding school liaison so I don't know if you have time to stay for that or not but yeah I really appreciate the fact that your assistant provided such good statistics on accidents uh particularly at Watkiss Way um and I understand that's available for other areas too if you wanted to plot it and also the uh speed watch program uh very good that they went out and did two hours on Watkiss Way and provided some numbers that was very very helpful.

T. Preston1:04:24

I appreciate that counselor yeah and again we're I'm happy to uh you know provide through our criminal analyst she has the ability to plot so when when uh your constituents come to you and say there's a horrible problem here we're having accidents all the time or or what have you we can we can discern whether or not uh that is actually the fact or where uh we should be focusing our resources based on our uh you know an educated approach here uh do you want me to come back i got a cut a little bit more but i can come back or do you want to touch base counselor matzon well this is just on the in case you're not here for when our sch we were talking about the school liaison uh officer i just wanted to point out at least from my perspective that school district sixty one's decision is incredibly stupid and short sighted and for anyone who is happens to be out there who can see this please pass it on to this the board thank you counselor I appreciate your supporting words counselor McKenzie.

Alison MacKenzie1:05:17

I'm curious whether uh there is a cost associated to the school district for this program, which might have fed into No.

T. Preston1:05:26

No, we I mean those those are funded through municipalities, municipal positions, and we listen to your priorities every year.

T. Preston1:05:34

And your priorities are every year, you know, work with our youth.

T. Preston1:05:39

The youth is the future.

T. Preston1:05:41

Uh we need to act as mentors, we need to be role models, we need to be there for uh, you know, the youth that perhaps weren't dealt a great set of cards in life and advocate for them and provide them support.

T. Preston1:05:53

Uh this does the opposite.

T. Preston1:05:55

This uh and for those that feel that perhaps um you know, there's certain um groups that are scared or that are targeted to which is nonsense.

T. Preston1:06:05

We don't target uh certain groups, uh youth in in school.

T. Preston1:06:08

And and a lot of the I think the literature that they referenced was American.

T. Preston1:06:12

Um, and I would suggest that we are substantially different than our American counterparts.

T. Preston1:06:17

Uh but even even that, uh I think if you look at um you know some of the the recent articles, they're all reversing.

T. Preston1:06:26

The the vast majority of them are have seen the the science experiment gone bad down south, uh and they are reversing a lot of those decisions and putting school liaison officers back in the school.

T. Preston1:06:36

So I'm perplexed as to why somebody would need to go down the same path to learn the same mistake instead of educating themselves properly.

T. Preston1:06:44

But um forgive me for for uh sounding a little um hurt or short.

T. Preston1:06:49

Uh I'm just very passionate about uh being in those schools and being role models.

Don Brown1:06:53

I I know the superintendent is busy, he's a busy man, and perhaps it's appropriate for me to make my motion now rather than wait for the next thing.

Don Brown1:07:01

I'll just read it.

Don Brown1:07:02

Uh my motion is to send a letter to Superintendent Preston stating that View Royal Council supports and encourages RCP officers' presence in View Royal schools, including but not limited to crime prevention, traffic, and personal safety programs.

Sid Tobias1:07:22

Second amendment by bias.

Sid Tobias1:07:23

I will second it and uh just for a point of clarification, do you want that letter to go to Superintendent Preston or do you want it to go to school district sixty-one?

Don Brown1:07:32

I think we can CC it to uh the chair of district sixty-one.

Don Brown1:07:37

Friendly amendment.

Don Brown1:07:40

Yeah, the value of school liaison programs.

Don Brown1:07:42

I mean, uh I I was an SLO many, many years ago, including in your detachment, uh, started the first full school liaison program in Richmond and also the school liaison program in Burnaby.

Don Brown1:07:53

Um, one of my uh officers in Richmond, uh the because of the confidence level he built up with those students, one of the students came to him with a tip that led to the arrest and conviction of a person that set a fire, an arson that uh someone died in.

Don Brown1:08:06

So that's just one example.

Don Brown1:08:08

Some of the officers were invited to graduation ceremonies to give uh speech speeches, um, chaperones, uh coaching football teams, coaching basketball teams.

Don Brown1:08:16

And again, the school district plays zero.

Don Brown1:08:19

And uh to for the school district to do that the day after they've said uh there's gang members uh recruiting in the schools, it just baffles me.

Don Brown1:08:28

Absolutely baffles me.

T. Preston1:08:29

Well, I uh look, I really do appreciate your uh overwhelming support.

T. Preston1:08:35

Um, in fact, you know, we had two canoe cha canoe trips uh with our First Nations officer who's in one of those schools.

T. Preston1:08:44

Uh we're supposed to take a hundred kids out on a camping canoe trip, and that had to be canceled.

T. Preston1:08:49

Um I think it was a day before or two days before or something silly like that, because as a result of this decision, uh you know, the Esquimalt and Songhees nations were not consulted, and I spoke with Chief Thomas today.

T. Preston1:09:02

Um, I won't speak for him, other than I know he has uh very similar support uh to what I'm hearing in this room here, so um I don't think they were uh overly thrilled with this decision either.

T. Preston1:09:13

We have an incredible relationship with the Songis and the Squamble First Nation and their children, and this has directly uh affected that relationship.

Sid Tobias1:09:22

Um point of order, uh Chair, if you could finish that motion.

Sid Tobias1:09:28

We got to the second.

Don Brown1:09:29

Sorry, we have moved over to second or so.

Don Brown1:09:32

Can I oh join or yeah, Council Rogers, yeah.

John Rogers1:09:35

Speaking to the motion, I'm I'm fully in support.

John Rogers1:09:37

One of the things about um the Shoreline Community School that when we had the nights alive, uh the uh RCMP attendants uh in that was uh uh really supportive, very helpful, and and uh the youth really appreciated, and so did the coordinators, Bark Fretter Stonehouse.

Alison MacKenzie1:09:52

And uh as a probation officer in Burnaby with um uh community schools there, the uh the police uh liaison with the youth was instrumental in in getting a greater awareness greater acceptance and greater comfort so fully in support i would just like to clarify the the funding arrangement you mentioned it's through municipalities so um uh staff maybe am i correct in that this has already been budgeted into our budget uh through the chair uh yes it would be okay thank you okay call question.

Don Brown1:10:30

All in favor?

Don Brown1:10:32

No, no opposed.

Don Brown1:10:33

Unanimous.

Don Brown1:10:34

Superintendent.

T. Preston1:10:36

Thank you.

T. Preston1:10:36

Yeah i'll i'll quickly uh finish up here if i could.

T. Preston1:10:39

Uh and again, I appreciate really appreciate uh the overwhelming support.

T. Preston1:10:42

Uh so we had a uh a substantial one of the I think you might have saw it in the paper there, six a significant drug bust, uh which we know affected all of West Shore here.

T. Preston1:10:50

That was in May.

T. Preston1:10:50

Our drugs and organized crime conducted a multi-jurisdictional investigation into drug trafficking in the Capitol Regional District.

T. Preston1:10:56

Search warrants were executed on five vehicles, four properties located in Langford, Malahat, Sanage, and Victoria.

T. Preston1:11:02

Six kilos of drugs uh suspected to be a combination of cocaine, fentanyl, methamphetamine, philocybe, and approximately six liters of liquid drugs suspected to be gamma uh GHB is is uh the commonly known term.

T. Preston1:11:15

Uh 50 caliber desert eagle handgun, AR 15, and more uh weapons were seized from there.

T. Preston1:11:21

So just because they weren't uh executed in your area, make no mistake, uh those drugs were destined for every uh jurisdiction in this area here.

T. Preston1:11:29

So uh a great a great job for uh not just the RCP but our our municipal partners as well that partnered with on that file.

T. Preston1:11:36

Um just gonna read through a few of the files here.

T. Preston1:11:38

We had a uh a fight, an assault with a weapon on the 1500 block at Middle Road.

T. Preston1:11:41

Neighbors uh called an assault on their neighbor, uh involving a baseball bat.

T. Preston1:11:45

Verbal threats of a gun were also made.

T. Preston1:11:47

No, no gun was actually seen.

T. Preston1:11:48

This was likely related to drugs, and the victim was uncooperative during that uh file.

T. Preston1:11:54

We had a single vehicle collision on Craigflower Road and Admiral's Road.

T. Preston1:11:57

The driver was impaired and tried to leave in a taxi, but was stopped by police and issued a 90 day IRP.

T. Preston1:12:03

Uh, we had a possession of stolen property.

T. Preston1:12:05

The complainant saw his uh stolen tools on Facebook Facebook Marketplace and attended with the police officer recovered the tools.

T. Preston1:12:13

The subject of the play was a chronic offender and has been arrested.

T. Preston1:12:17

We had two reports from View Royal Elementary of a suspicious mail on the rail tracks near the school.

T. Preston1:12:22

The mail was partially clothed, shorts on, not reporting of him approaching anyone, not uh no confirmed indecent act, but just they were concerned about um the uh perhaps his presence with no shirt staring into the playground.

T. Preston1:12:38

Um so we are investigating that, not to say that this individual did anything wrong, other than perhaps um yeah, we we want to speak with this individual just to see what um the intent was.

T. Preston1:12:49

Uh and we are a little sensitive to these files because we have had, and again, this is not in reference to this specific individual, and I can't clarify that enough, but we've had bona fide rapes on the trail.

T. Preston1:12:59

Uh, we've had sex assaults on this trail.

T. Preston1:13:05

We have a uh an employee, a municipal employee, in fact, I believe we have two that have now been uh traveling during the trail here recently, and a male has uh exposed his genitals to our female member or female staff members.

T. Preston1:13:19

We know that there is um a number of individuals that are uh committing these indecent acts.

T. Preston1:13:25

And so um when we get files, we are sensitive, not to say that in every instance somebody's done anything wrong, but we will want to speak with these individuals just to see what the intentions were.

T. Preston1:13:36

Um, so I know that there is some people saying, Why are you investigating this?

T. Preston1:13:41

Um, again, we've had acts in the past there, um, and a lot of them throughout the uh the West, and we're not alone.

T. Preston1:13:47

I mean, the whole Greater Victoria area, and uh, it would suggest any area.

T. Preston1:13:51

There's these acts, and so we we pay close attention to them.

T. Preston1:13:55

Um, we had a male apprehended assault with a weapon, reported um a family dealing with a mental health relatively was assaulted by the family member.

T. Preston1:14:03

The assault was going on when the officer arrived, and uh we had to actually break up that fight.

T. Preston1:14:07

We have it, we had a child abuse investigation, allegations against a mother, and our special victims unit's been involved in that one.

T. Preston1:14:13

So this is just in the last month here.

T. Preston1:14:14

Uh, we had a complaint from a resident of View Royal advising their children's bike had been stolen uh near the home located on Burnett Road in Verie Royal.

T. Preston1:14:22

Um the bike unit were patrolling on the trail at the time when they spotted the female susp suspect who was identified uh to them by the uh uh the victim.

T. Preston1:14:29

Uh we were able to arrest that individual, but unfortunately we weren't able to seize the bike.

T. Preston1:14:37

The bike was uh nowhere to be found.

T. Preston1:14:39

Uh we had a break and enter at a daycare on high street.

T. Preston1:14:42

It happened overnight.

T. Preston1:14:42

About $30 uh value was taken.

T. Preston1:14:45

We had a road raid incident near a six-mile.

T. Preston1:14:47

The report of a driver yelling at another driver swerving the suspect driver brandished a knife uh displaying it while he was driving.

T. Preston1:14:54

The victims uh refused to uh pursue the matter.

T. Preston1:14:58

Um we were able to identify the individual and caution that individual about their behavior.

T. Preston1:15:04

Um we had a flight for police on Craig Flower.

T. Preston1:15:06

The officer tried to conduct a traffic stop on somebody actually on an e-bike, which is uh not common.

T. Preston1:15:11

But the individual uh ditched the bike and fled through a yard back fence, and uh we weren't able to locate this individual.

T. Preston1:15:19

We had a vehicle uh versus cyclist on Watkiss way and Burnside Road.

T. Preston1:15:22

The vehicle stopped at a red light and was trying to proceed uh with a right turn onto Watkins, but did not notice the cyclist.

T. Preston1:15:28

The cyclist was taken to the hospital.

T. Preston1:15:30

Um a disobey traffic controlled device ticket was issued.

T. Preston1:15:34

And finally, we had a uh MAHA, a mental health individual um patient at Craigflower Road.

T. Preston1:15:40

The uh individual self inflicted minor wounds, and we called our insert uh the mobile crisis team.

T. Preston1:15:46

Uh that's a CRD bound uh team, and they created a uh safety plan with this individual.

T. Preston1:15:52

And the individual actually wasn't apprehended.

T. Preston1:15:53

We were able to um defuse the situation.

T. Preston1:15:56

So uh with that, I have time for maybe a couple quick questions, and that's uh probably it.

Don Brown1:16:01

Just uh could you pass on kudos to Corporal Sager?

Don Brown1:16:04

I really appreciate getting her press releases.

Don Brown1:16:06

Oh, great.

Don Brown1:16:06

I think especially for missing people and uh other issues, and very very short, succinct, and uh very timely.

T. Preston1:16:13

She's an outstanding member, so I'll pass that on.

T. Preston1:16:15

Thank you.

Don Brown1:16:16

Thank you.

Don Brown1:16:16

Any further questions?

Don Brown1:16:18

Well, thank you very much.

T. Preston1:16:19

Thank you guys very much.

T. Preston1:16:20

Thank you.

Don Brown1:16:23

Next on the agenda is the building department report.

Don Brown1:16:26

I think it's just to receive for info, I believe.

Don Brown1:16:29

Moved moved by Councillor Rogers, seconded by Council uh Councilor Mattson.

Don Brown1:16:34

All those in favor, none opposed, passed.

Don Brown1:16:37

And last but not least, Coral Henderson from CRD bylaw and animal control.

Don Brown1:16:44

She actually ran the department.

Don Brown1:16:46

Welcome, Coral.

Don Brown1:16:48

Coral used to work for me.

Don Brown1:16:51

I just as a figurehead.

Don Brown1:16:52

But anyways, uh, I'm glad to see you here today.

Don Brown1:16:55

I know um your boss Mark was here last maybe two months ago and he had some questions.

Don Brown1:17:00

I think some of the counselors had some questions to ask, and um if they have still have them, they can ask you.

Don Brown1:17:06

Otherwise, uh I like your report.

Don Brown1:17:08

Um I have nothing.

Don Brown1:17:09

Does anyone else have any questions?

John Rogers1:17:11

Uh uh thank you very much for coming and and for the report.

John Rogers1:17:17

Um I am curious.

John Rogers1:17:18

The um in in the month of May, um uh we had uh it seems like an extraordinary amount of um uh concerns or complaints uh with respect to uh animals.

John Rogers1:17:28

Um 17 where the average seems to be about six or or so.

John Rogers1:17:33

Um was there any particular area or park that creates you uh gives you the most uh concern?

Coral Henderson1:17:40

Thank you, counselor, and thank you for having me here today.

Coral Henderson1:17:43

Um there were there's an uptick and your total is 17 and it's missing a line item that we're gonna be adding into our reports is dogs and hot cars.

Coral Henderson1:17:51

Uh we're missing four um calls that we received dogs and hot cars and May is the the we had that hot spell right there.

Coral Henderson1:17:59

And that is a major concern in all the municipalities.

Coral Henderson1:18:03

Costco is one of our Costco and the hospital are our worst um places for it.

Coral Henderson1:18:08

Uh Costco's unenable to announce uh if your dog's in this car, please go to the vehicle and kind of same with the hospital.

Coral Henderson1:18:14

We are putting out an outreach program and decals for every business in all the municipalities that we cover and the hospital and anywhere else that'll put them.

Coral Henderson1:18:25

Something like it's not cool to leave your dog in your car.

Coral Henderson1:18:29

And Costco has, and the hospital is also approved that we're gonna give them some sandwich boards to put out front that state, please do not leave your dog in your vehicle, and just a cute little picture of a dog and some statistics of how quickly the temperature can rise.

John Rogers1:18:46

That's really really great to hear, and thanks for doing the proactive uh uh prevention in that regard.

John Rogers1:18:53

I I do have just another comment, if I may.

John Rogers1:18:55

Uh, one of the um I I was assisting um Chris and and others for um invasive species removal in Portage Park, and um uh a woman came up with her two dogs very concerned that um the um you know a jogger had uh had passed by on the park where it was off-leash uh and became so abusive that she uh called the police.

John Rogers1:19:18

Um she felt very threatened.

John Rogers1:19:20

And I I guess my concerns or maybe this is also the staff is um Portage Park does not have clear signage as to what is and what isn't off-leash.

John Rogers1:19:29

Um and I wonder if that might be is that confusing for you as well in terms of in uh creating uh having solid grounds for enforcement?

Coral Henderson1:19:38

Yes, thank you for the question.

Coral Henderson1:19:39

Um Portage Park and Chilco Park are probably the biggest concerns.

Coral Henderson1:19:43

I just sent a message to Public Works Center by law enforcement officer for View Royal regarding proper signage.

Coral Henderson1:19:49

Chilco Park at one point, I think um someone put forward a council to make it an off-leash park, and that didn't go through, but I think some people still think it is because we are there constantly and people just don't have their dogs on a leash, but then they state there is no sign.

Coral Henderson1:20:05

So Chilco Park doesn't have a sign.

Coral Henderson1:20:07

Portage is kind of confusing.

Coral Henderson1:20:09

Um we have been in contact with View Royal staff and they have adjusted the signage.

Coral Henderson1:20:14

I think it's just people not passing or reading them.

Coral Henderson1:20:18

Um so we just encourage that.

Coral Henderson1:20:21

We also have uh something in development that it's going to be a GIS map of all of the parks that dogs are allowed in the Capitol Regional District.

Coral Henderson1:20:30

And if you hold your mouse over that park, it'll tell you the rules of off-leash, on leash, if your dog can be in the ball field, what times they can be on the beach and stuff like that.

Coral Henderson1:20:40

So that should help educate people.

John Rogers1:20:43

Sorry, I have to beg the question when will that um functionality be available?

Coral Henderson1:20:47

As soon as I can get it done.

John Rogers1:20:50

Tomorrow is great.

Coral Henderson1:20:51

Yeah, I'm hoping to have it done before um the end of the summer.

Coral Henderson1:20:55

And it's just timing.

Ron Mattson1:20:57

You're welcome.

Don Brown1:20:59

I did mention uh to Mark when he was here before about uh the summertime and patrols and parks, and I really appreciate that.

Don Brown1:21:05

I see the numbers have gone up, and I've noticed it myself.

Don Brown1:21:08

I spent a lot of time uh walking in the parks, and uh that's great.

Don Brown1:21:11

And also uh congratulations to you because I understand you've got your 25 years in with the CRDs.

Coral Henderson1:21:16

Yes, thank you.

Don Brown1:21:16

Does anyone else have any questions for Coral?

Don Brown1:21:18

Well, thank you very much for your report.

Coral Henderson1:21:20

I just wanted to mention the question at the last meeting that I was here to answer was someone had asked what general hours meant on the report, and I just we'll probably change that wording.

Coral Henderson1:21:29

I understand that is confusing to investigative hours.

Coral Henderson1:21:32

So you have your park hours that you've asked specifically the hours, and then the other hours are how long it takes us to investigate, how much time we're spending on V royal complaints.

Don Brown1:21:42

Great, thank you very much.

John Rogers1:21:46

Moving sheet of the report.

Don Brown1:21:48

Motion okay, thanks, John.

Don Brown1:21:55

Nobody opposed.

Don Brown1:21:56

Passed the ads.

Don Brown1:21:58

That ends are protective services committee.

Sid Tobias1:22:06

Thank you, Councillor Brown.

Sid Tobias1:22:07

And uh we'll go in to finance and administration and skipping down to staff reports.

Sid Tobias1:22:13

We will um go to the budget variants and projects update.

Sid Tobias1:22:20

That you don't.

Damon Christenson1:22:21

Uh thank you, um Chair.

Damon Christenson1:22:24

I don't have anything to add to the report, just available for questions as needed.

Ron Mattson1:22:32

Just my usual question.

Ron Mattson1:22:36

How are we doing in the budget?

Ron Mattson1:22:37

Anything keeping you up at night?

Damon Christenson1:22:40

Thank you for the question uh through the chair.

Damon Christenson1:22:43

Uh certainly not at this point in time.

Damon Christenson1:22:44

As you will remember, the budget really just got uh approved in May.

Damon Christenson1:22:50

And so staff have hit the ground running, and we are in early stages of many of the projects.

Damon Christenson1:22:57

So we will uh increase the monitoring of the budgets as we approach uh nearer to year end.

Damon Christenson1:23:03

I do anticipate we have identified and and is identified for you in the report uh just one one or two, or there may be a couple more items that uh tell me we will be bringing back a budget amendment at some point in the future.

Damon Christenson1:23:16

So you can look forward to that, and we will have more information at that time.

Ron Mattson1:23:21

Thank you.

Sid Tobias1:23:24

Any other comments?

Ron Mattson1:23:26

Move receipt, the report.

Sid Tobias1:23:28

Moved by Councillor Mattson, uh seconded by Councillor McKenzie.

Sid Tobias1:23:28

Seconder.

Sid Tobias1:23:35

All in favor?

Sid Tobias1:23:36

Any opposed?

Sid Tobias1:23:37

Seeing not opposed, we can carry on with the agenda.

Sid Tobias1:23:42

And we do have a CAO update.

Sarah Jones1:23:58

If not, it speaks for itself.

Sid Tobias1:24:04

Councilor Rogers.

John Rogers1:24:06

Yes, uh, thanks for the report.

John Rogers1:24:08

Um, gosh, what page two?

John Rogers1:24:10

Last um paragraph of finance, uh, staff have developed a new app for streamlined data collection.

John Rogers1:24:16

Is that is this um something that is is going to be um is it accessible or is it just something that we would see in the dashboard?

Damon Christenson1:24:26

The information is passed through this collection data collection tool through to the dashboards that are that you do see on View Royal's website.

Damon Christenson1:24:36

So it's just making it a little bit more efficient and streamlined to collect the data for staff.

John Rogers1:24:44

If I may another comment.

John Rogers1:24:45

Uh again, um very impressed with uh staff uh jumping on to the emerging sinkhole that had unfolded in Prince Arbor Drive.

John Rogers1:24:55

That's uh that's it's quite remarkable that you got onto it so fast and also super impressed with uh the cleanup of the encampment under the crayflower bridge extraordinary achievement thank you counselor i'll pass on that compliment and if i'm also on on uh praise i am really happy that um with the staff's work in viewow park um the tree work and and removing the dead one and um i've got many compliments uh with respect to opening up the vest at the at the bottom of helmkin it's quite astonishing thank you thank you counselor uh rogers will go to council mackenzie and then councillor Mattson.

Alison MacKenzie1:25:35

I would also like to echo the thanks to the park staff for for cleaning up that encampment.

Alison MacKenzie1:25:41

I'm sure it wasn't the most glamorous uh job.

Alison MacKenzie1:25:44

Um and I actually have a question in regards to that: whether there'll be ongoing checks to ensure that that it doesn't get to that state again.

Ivan Leung1:25:56

Uh through the chair, generally there's a lot of parks that we tend to, and a lot of these encampments are based on the complaint spaces.

Ivan Leung1:26:04

That said, I don't know the background behind how they found this one.

Ivan Leung1:26:07

I would imagine that um how they found this, and that would be that'll how it be how they'll find subsequent ones.

Ivan Leung1:26:14

Well most of them are are done on the complaint spaces or through secondary inspection, which I believe which was what happened to this.

Ivan Leung1:26:20

That uh one underneath Craig Floyd Bridge took two weeks to get that full.

Sid Tobias1:26:29

We'll go to Councillor Matson and Councillor Brown.

Sid Tobias1:26:29

Thank you, Councillor McKenzie.

Ron Mattson1:26:34

Just following up on the uh under the bridge, I mean yeah I could certainly understand how it would take two weeks to clean up.

Ron Mattson1:26:42

I'm just wondering if it we could do something a little more proactive for example on something like that.

Ron Mattson1:26:48

You know, wire it or mesh it um it can't happen again.

Ivan Leung1:26:53

You know that's a very good point.

Ivan Leung1:26:54

And I I should clarify to the chair that um it took two weeks for it to get that full it took a couple of hours for the park staff to clean it up.

Ivan Leung1:27:03

So um they definitely uh wanted to make sure I got cleaned up very, very quickly to avoid uh having this again.

Ivan Leung1:27:10

Um when it this is the first time it's happened on this bridge, so should it continue to happen, then uh staff will certainly look at options on how to prevent that.

Ivan Leung1:27:19

Um, like I said, there's a lot of other uh bridges in and around that uh that have uh we have observed the same.

Ivan Leung1:27:26

So um the good news is that we haven't heard anything knock on wood, obviously, recently for those ones.

Ivan Leung1:27:32

But uh, like I said, we'll we'll be on it.

Sid Tobias1:27:37

Thank you, Councillor Brown.

Don Brown1:27:39

I should have said this when Larissa Hutchins was here from Parks from C or D, but I know we've had the letters from people worrying about the fire hazard with the uh heavy growth along the EN trail or the railway trail.

Don Brown1:27:51

And I saw two young fellows out there, uh nice guys, uh UVIX students out for summer, and they were doing a great job weed whacking today.

Don Brown1:27:58

So it's nice to see that.

Don Brown1:27:59

I I didn't catch their names, but two young fellows, nice guys.

Sid Tobias1:28:00

And they were employees.

Don Brown1:28:02

Employees of C or D parks.

Sid Tobias1:28:08

Thank you.

Sid Tobias1:28:08

Seeing no other questions, uh, I think we can uh move uh to the vote for it uh to be received for information.

Sid Tobias1:28:18

All in favor?

Sid Tobias1:28:20

Any opposed?

Sid Tobias1:28:21

None opposed.

Sid Tobias1:28:23

Do we have movers and seconders for that one, Sarah?

Sid Tobias1:28:26

Discorrect me.

Sid Tobias1:28:26

You got the you already have that.

Sid Tobias1:28:27

See, I'm not I'm not losing the plot too badly.

Sid Tobias1:28:32

Uh so I think that brings us to any other committee reports and no other business.

Sid Tobias1:28:42

I think we can have a motion to recess to reconvene at uh 7 p.m.

Sid Tobias1:28:51

Please be seated before then council.

Sid Tobias1:28:54

And uh can I get a motion to recess?

Sid Tobias1:28:58

Councillor Brown move, Councillor Mattson seconded.

Sid Tobias1:29:01

All in favor.

Ron Mattson1:29:08

Quickly getting through tonight's agenda.

Ron Mattson1:29:10

I'm it warmed my heart given what's happened in some of her recent meetings.

Sid Tobias1:29:16

Thank you.

Sid Tobias1:29:17

Yes, and uh I think we're uh we may uh have some more interest uh when we come back at seven o'clock uh this evening with some uh development uh feelers, but I think um and some other topics on the agenda.

Sid Tobias1:29:32

So we will uh reconvene, Carl, at uh at 7 sharp.

Sid Tobias1:29:39

Thank you.

Sid Tobias1:29:39

Um good evening.

Sid Tobias1:29:41

I'll call the um committee of the whole for the town of View Royal um to order for June 13th, 2023.

Sid Tobias1:29:50

And uh we recognize the Laquangwin speaking people known today as the Esquimalt Nation and the Songhees Nation, for the and that their historic connections to these lands continue to this day.

Sid Tobias1:30:02

This evening we have a public participation uh portion of the agenda uh and a question period portion of the agenda.

Sid Tobias1:30:10

For members of the audience.

Sid Tobias1:30:12

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Sid Tobias1:30:26

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Sid Tobias1:30:40

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Sid Tobias1:30:58

To begin, please indicate your name address for the record.

Sid Tobias1:31:01

Speakers will have five minutes to speak during the public participation period and two minutes to ask a question or questions during question period, and you'll be timed.

Sid Tobias1:31:11

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Sid Tobias1:31:14

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Sid Tobias1:31:22

And I think we can dig into uh the agenda right away and invite the petition and delegation, Mr.

Sid Tobias1:31:32

Doug Ford from uh Inviticus uh for rezoning of 339 341 345 Ireland Highway.

Doug Foord1:31:48

Good evening, Mary and Council.

Doug Foord1:31:50

My name is Doug Ford, as you just mentioned from Invictus Commercial.

Doug Foord1:31:55

Um, I'm merely here to uh have my team introduce what I think is another exciting project for View Royal.

Doug Foord1:32:06

We've done spent a lot of time designing this, working with staff, and hopefully it's it's something that can move forward.

Doug Foord1:32:14

We're anxious to move it forward from from the point of view of providing housing for a lot of homeless people these days.

Doug Foord1:32:21

I'd like to point out that that Jeff Klaus is here from Boardwalk Reed out of Calgary.

Doug Foord1:32:28

Jennifer is here from Town Hall, isn't it?

Doug Foord1:32:33

Town Square Planning and Rob Wetter from DHK Architects.

Doug Foord1:32:39

I'd like to introduce Jennifer.

Doug Foord1:32:41

She is going to speak first if you don't mind.

Jennifer Key1:32:53

So we do have a lot to say tonight.

Jennifer Key1:32:55

I just wanted to start with uh a thank you for your time and allowing us to be here to present uh a brief introduction of the rezoning application.

Jennifer Key1:33:04

Uh importantly, it's uh a proposal for redevelopment of the former Cambridge Motel site into new purpose-built rental housing, providing 259 new homes in View Royal.

Jennifer Key1:33:17

The existing structures, as you are all likely quite familiar with them, they currently accommodate 32 units of market rental housing, down from 36 following the loss of four units just recently due to a fire just last month.

Jennifer Key1:33:34

As a result of their age and their poor condition, they have been offered or offering really low end of market rents, but the buildings are in need of replacement.

Jennifer Key1:33:45

Redevelopment will support the existing tenants to find alternate accommodation, and a tenant relocation coordinator has been hired to lead this initiative.

Jennifer Key1:33:56

The application is to rezone the property considering the use and density of the site.

Jennifer Key1:34:00

We've worked collaboratively with neighborhood neighbors and staff to shape the application over the past 14 plus months.

Jennifer Key1:34:09

And we know that continued refinement is part of the development process and will continue into the development permit stage.

Jennifer Key1:34:16

To date, we've hosted three neighborhood information meetings, the first back in April 2022, and then again in December 2022, both before we submitted the application.

Jennifer Key1:34:27

A third meeting was held just last week on June 6th to share an update prior to tonight's meeting.

Jennifer Key1:34:33

I'm assuming one of these buttons will let me switch the slide forward.

Jennifer Key1:34:35

If not, maybe staff could do that for me.

Jennifer Key1:34:44

Thank you.

Jennifer Key1:34:45

So we started with an initial concept about rental housing, indicating that was the concept from the outset, and provided updates along the way as the site and massing plans took shape with input through technical analysis, community consultation, and with staff direction.

Jennifer Key1:35:02

We've taken a great amount of care and time over the many months to listen to the neighbors and to have the plans reflect their input and the input that received from staff.

Jennifer Key1:35:13

Notably, we've worked to balance the need for new homes, which we're all well aware of, in this context of an escalating regional and even national housing crisis with a number of site planning considerations, including site access, parking, tree preservation, retention of views from neighboring properties, and other items.

Jennifer Key1:35:33

We're all aware of the housing crisis, and we use that phrase not loosely but seriously, in that we know that the housing crisis is also being compounded now by escalating construction and financing costs that all have an upward impact on the ultimate cost of housing.

Jennifer Key1:35:50

There's also a shared understanding as planners, as we've had for many years, with acknowledging that there's a need to build more complete and more compact communities so that we're uh we're having a more sustainable result and addressing the parallel climate crisis.

Jennifer Key1:36:07

While one development really can't solve all these problems, we know that incremental positive change is what we're striving for to create more housing in a more sustainable way.

Jennifer Key1:36:18

We've worked with staff to create um to create a plan that is addressing a number of interests, sometimes even conflicting considerations, to arrive at what we believe to be an economically feasible plan that will see this site redeveloped to serve a larger community need.

Jennifer Key1:36:35

Next slide, please.

Jennifer Key1:36:39

One of the key highlights of our work with staff was to include a mixed-use component to the to the development.

Jennifer Key1:36:46

Adding a small commercial retail unit or a cafe on the ground floor in this location, right at the corner of Prince Robert and Island Highway, provides a complementary use to the future potential redevelopment of the designated Fort Royal property, which is part of your town center.

Jennifer Key1:37:04

We've also worked, maybe to the next slide, please.

Jennifer Key1:37:08

We've also worked to balance tree retention with the realities of site redevelopment.

Jennifer Key1:37:14

A tree survey and an arboris report have been completed.

Jennifer Key1:37:17

We've identified the trees that can be preserved, including the retention of a large stand of existing trees in the southeast corner of the site that will form a resident open space with walking trails and seating.

Jennifer Key1:37:30

Doing this, we've also increased the setbacks of the building and the underground parking structure along the eastern property line shared with the fire hall site and along the southern property line shared with Heddle Park right of way.

Jennifer Key1:37:42

Both of those increases were done since submitting the initial application based upon staff feedback.

Jennifer Key1:37:48

The Arborist has assessed the trees and determined those that can be retained, and where replacement trees are needed, the larger setback areas allow for deep planting for long term health and growth of those trees.

Jennifer Key1:38:00

We've heard really strong interest from neighbors through our three neighborhood meetings about the importance of the trees off of our site, but adjacent to our site in View Royal's right-of-way, Heddle Park, and we'll continue to work with staff and our arborists to address tree preservation and protection during the construction process.

Jennifer Key1:38:19

New housing isn't coming at the expense of trees, but rather new development will replace trees on site at the two to one ratio as required or through cash and loop contributions.

Jennifer Key1:38:31

Importantly, new housing in this location benefits from View Royal's central location in the region with opportunities for continued improved public transit, walking, and cycling.

Jennifer Key1:38:41

We will be producing enhanced streetscapes along all the site frontages, providing new sidewalks and boulevards, and a bus lay by on Island Highway.

Jennifer Key1:38:51

We've worked with staff to address the needs for on site parking, and this is going to be a point of discussion so that we've provided the right amount of parking to serve the future tenant needs.

Jennifer Key1:39:01

We believe it is right sized to meet those needs, and we've we did try to reach out.

Jennifer Key1:39:07

We have reached out to local car share operators, and they have not expressed interest in this site, so we know combined with limited transit service, we do need to provide enough parking on site, and that has been a concern and consideration we've heard from neighbors about ensuring that the parking is provided on site.

Jennifer Key1:39:27

The proposal is for market rental housing, and the developers are supportive of the town's interest in securing a percentage of the larger two and three bedroom family-friendly units through legal agreement, with the final unit mix and unit count really to be determined at that future DP stage with final design.

Jennifer Key1:39:45

The proposal does not include any below market or affordable housing, and the landlift analysis concluded that there is no lift in land value.

Jennifer Key1:39:55

There is, however, a significant public benefit being achieved through the redevelopment of this site with the creation of new purpose-built rental housing, housing which we all know is much needed in the region, and we hope is welcome in View Royal.

Jennifer Key1:40:10

So Rob will now take up the rest of our brief time to speak about the site design.

Jennifer Key1:40:15

Thank you.

Rob Whetter1:40:19

So I'm Rob Wetter, 2669 Arbutus Road, and I'm the architect for this project.

Rob Whetter1:40:24

So if we could just go back to slide two, please.

Rob Whetter1:40:28

So as with all our projects, we design for the pedestrian more than the car, particularly how new developments can contribute to beautiful walkable streets and enrich the urban character overall.

Rob Whetter1:40:40

The on-site landscaping will tie into the street and sidewalk upgrades with stepped planters and layered trees and shrubs, which I think we can actually see on slide three, please.

Rob Whetter1:40:51

A series of individual walkways connect sidewalks to front doors of townhouse style ground floor units.

Rob Whetter1:40:57

These are elevated a partial level above the adjacent sidewalks to provide the ideal transition from public to private, as well as passive surveillance over the public realm.

Rob Whetter1:41:07

A landscape mini plaza at the corner of Island Highway and Prince Robert Drive provides a spill out space for the commercial unit, which is something we've we've worked with planning on bringing to the project.

Rob Whetter1:41:18

And this adds a welcoming interface to the development and the neighborhood.

Rob Whetter1:41:23

A large central courtyard provides access to building lobbies and parking areas, but is envisioned as a multi-use space that will be equally well suited to bikes, scooters, pedestrians.

Rob Whetter1:41:33

A variety of lawn areas and perimeter planting allow for a range of use of the outdoor spaces.

Rob Whetter1:41:39

Next slide, please.

Rob Whetter1:41:42

We've worked with staff to increase the setback since our initial application on all sides of the building to retain as many of the surrounding trees as possible on and off-site and provide ample space for new full size perimeter trees.

Rob Whetter1:41:57

The on-site parking, which is mostly below grade with a small amount of convenience parking at grade, has been designed to exactly meet the zoning requirements and also fit the target resident demographic.

Rob Whetter1:42:10

We know that residents are still likely to rely largely on their personal vehicles while the bus service walkability and car share viability improve over time in this neighborhood.

Rob Whetter1:42:20

We will continue to work with staff to ensure that the accessible stalls and loading spaces are accounted for.

Rob Whetter1:42:25

As much as possible, the parquade has been limited to a single story of below grade construction, which steps down the site with the topography.

Rob Whetter1:42:33

This helps to limit the impacts of blasting and excavation.

Rob Whetter1:42:37

Our project at Helmkin and Burnside is has a two story underground parkade where we can see the added work and duration involved in that extent of construction.

Rob Whetter1:42:48

Next slide, please.

Rob Whetter1:42:50

The buildings have been designed to step in as they go up at level four and at level five and again at level six to soften how the buildings frame the street and how they relate to their surroundings.

Rob Whetter1:43:02

This also improves access to sun and sky in the shared outdoor spaces.

Rob Whetter1:43:07

This stepping and articulation creates buildings that are more human-scaled.

Rob Whetter1:43:12

But this is always a fine balance relative to the minimization of the building envelope for energy performance and optimized structural and mechanical alignment into multi-story buildings.

Rob Whetter1:43:23

So I think I think it's a balance that we always strive to get right.

Rob Whetter1:43:26

All buildings are six stories per the BC building code, though they actually step down in places to four and five stories.

Rob Whetter1:43:32

There is an eight-story reference in the report, which which is really a technicality of the zoning definitions.

Rob Whetter1:43:39

The East Building steps down two stories as it follows the topography over a distance where the site itself actually steps down three stories.

Rob Whetter1:43:50

So, in closing, uh, this site is greatly in need of redevelopment, and we're happy to be part of that process.

Rob Whetter1:43:56

We're replacing 32 units that's reached reached the end of their economic life with 259 new rental homes.

Rob Whetter1:44:03

We believe this development is a partnership between communities, property owners, and local governments to implement positive growth and respond to community needs.

Rob Whetter1:44:13

We hope our investment of time and design attention over the last 14 months will be recognized with your support uh to move the project forward so that these desperately needed homes can be built uh as quickly as possible.

Sid Tobias1:44:26

We look forward to the staff presentation and to addressing any questions that uh come up thank you thank you and before i go to counselors i just want to reach out to uh both uh boardwalk and embiticus and say uh thank you for piecing this together uh and staff for assisting in it um uh for counselors questions it it is would you recommend that we just simply receive.

Sid Tobias1:45:03

Everybody happy with that to receive it now and then address the questions later.

Sid Tobias1:45:06

Okay.

Sid Tobias1:45:07

Uh can I get a motion to receive?

Sid Tobias1:45:11

Second.

Sid Tobias1:45:12

Uh so uh move receipt by counselor Rogers, seconded by Councilor McKenzie.

Sid Tobias1:45:17

Um all in favor.

Sid Tobias1:45:20

Any opposed?

Sid Tobias1:45:21

None opposed.

Sid Tobias1:45:22

Motion carries.

Sid Tobias1:45:23

We'll receive the petition and delegation.

Sid Tobias1:45:25

And I think that moves us now to a public participation period, and we'll go uh with anybody in the room who would like to address uh counsel on any topic on the agenda.

Sid Tobias1:45:37

Um please feel welcome to do so.

Sid Tobias1:45:40

Mr.

Sid Tobias1:45:40

Wilson.

Doug Wilson1:45:49

Good evening.

Doug Wilson1:45:50

Doug Wilson, 291 View Royal Avenue.

Doug Wilson1:45:54

Thanks for the opportunity to speak here this evening.

Doug Wilson1:45:58

First, I'd like to mention the CMHC grant proposal that's on the agenda.

Doug Wilson1:46:03

To qualify for the CMHC grants, Bureau must increase the growth rate by at least 10%.

Doug Wilson1:46:10

That would mean about 4.5% annual growth.

Doug Wilson1:46:14

Growth at that rate is very uncommon in Canada or BC or the CRD.

Doug Wilson1:46:20

Vureal could struggle to meet that objective in this changing economy, and failure would simply mean loss of the promised funding.

Doug Wilson1:46:28

They won't give it to be considered too.

Doug Wilson1:46:34

It's not just about how much, but how Bureau is growing.

Doug Wilson1:46:40

Last week council considered pausing in order to take stock and consider next step.

Doug Wilson1:46:45

I think that shows a recognition that the rate of growth is not sustainable with the resources that are available in Viewer.

Doug Wilson1:46:54

Bureau has demonstrated rapid growth.

Doug Wilson1:46:57

We have not demonstrated that we can achieve the OCP land use policy objectives that are, first and foremost, intended to create a safe and complete community.

Doug Wilson1:47:07

I hope you will agree that it is time to work towards those objectives.

Doug Wilson1:47:13

Perhaps that could start with an agreement that the term consistent with the OCP means consistent with the letter and the spirit of the OCP.

Doug Wilson1:47:25

Consistent means marked by harmony, regularity, or continuity, free from variation or contradiction.

Doug Wilson1:47:34

That brings me to the rezoning report before council today.

Doug Wilson1:47:39

I'm not here to be critical of the development that will create new housing on Island Highway.

Doug Wilson1:47:44

It's long overdue.

Doug Wilson1:47:45

I understand that developers have a responsibility to seek favorable building conditions and well-planned housing is needed.

Doug Wilson1:47:54

But I do have concerns about presenting a balanced view in reports that come to council.

Doug Wilson1:48:01

Today's staff report says that the proposal to develop 225,000 square feet of floor space with 1,575 square feet for a single commercial space, or about 0.7% of the floor space, is consistent with the neighborhood center designation, and therefore the boost in FSR to build larger and higher than the OCP envisions at that location.

Doug Wilson1:48:26

And on the most narrow technical level, that's true.

Doug Wilson1:48:31

The neighborhood center policy is to create a network of neighborhoods serving mixed use centers and encourage new and infill residential and commercial growth.

Doug Wilson1:48:41

The OCP says this key policy is intended to create self-sufficient neighborhood centers.

Doug Wilson1:48:49

That's the OCP concept context that was not considered.

Doug Wilson1:48:53

This example and others from previous reports shape my perception that reports do not explicitly consider the broader objectives of the OCP and the context it provides.

Doug Wilson1:49:07

There's a lack of objectivity.

Doug Wilson1:49:10

I'm not advocating for an anti-development bias in reports.

Doug Wilson1:49:14

I'm advocating for a neutral and fulsome assessment of how a proposal aligns with the OCP and the zoning that are already in place.

Doug Wilson1:49:30

That recognize the full intention of the OCP.

Doug Wilson1:49:33

And I'm advocating for consideration of both the town and the development in a balanced manner.

Doug Wilson1:49:40

I hope the path forward includes consideration of the let of the letter and the intent of the OCP.

Doug Wilson1:49:47

Thanks.

Sid Tobias1:49:49

Thank you, Mr.

Sid Tobias1:49:50

Wilson.

Sid Tobias1:49:52

Is there anybody else that would like to um ask a question or provide comments to counsel in the room?

Sid Tobias1:50:00

Seeing none, Carl, I'll go to you on the phone.

Sid Tobias1:50:02

Do we have anybody on the phone that would like to um address counsel?

Sid Tobias1:50:06

Mayor Tobias, we have no callers at this time.

Sid Tobias1:50:11

Thank you.

Sid Tobias1:50:12

And I think that would end public participation period.

Sid Tobias1:50:16

Um and I think we can move down to parks and recreation.

Sid Tobias1:50:20

I see our chair for that is not here, so I'll take it over.

Sid Tobias1:50:24

Uh and I think we can skip down to new business, which is a commercial activity in view royal parks.

Sid Tobias1:50:33

Counselor McKenzie, please.

Alison MacKenzie1:50:35

Thank you.

Alison MacKenzie1:50:37

Today I'm going to make a motion that council request uh staff to prepare a report outlining the implications of changing our bylaw to allow for commercial activities such as markets, food trucks, and fitness classes to be allowed in certain public areas or parks.

Alison MacKenzie1:50:59

If I could get a seconder?

Sid Tobias1:51:01

Absolutely.

Sid Tobias1:51:02

Do you want to motivate now, Councillor McCassy?

Alison MacKenzie1:51:06

So the reason I feel that this is necessary is because homes alone don't create communities.

Alison MacKenzie1:51:13

I think for to make a community where someone wants to live, uh, especially a walkable community, we have to have things for people and families to do locally.

Alison MacKenzie1:51:24

When we look to other municipalities, we're we're really lacking in terms of these uh events and and spaces for people to gather.

Alison MacKenzie1:51:33

And I think there is an opportunity with this motion to actually generate some revenue for the town through rental of spaces, and it could also support potentially uh local businesses uh as people come and go from uh these events.

Sid Tobias1:51:56

Any other comments or questions?

Sid Tobias1:51:58

I I would ask to consider pr uh actually the second or you go go ahead first.

Ron Mattson1:52:03

Yeah just um I mean one of the things I was never able to understand is uh not allowing food trucks in the in the community just doesn't seem to make sense to me given the number of food trucks I see in different venues and they are they seem to be well received and don't have significant problems.

Ron Mattson1:52:23

Um one of the things I guess we could build in is a requirement for some sort of cleanup in the immediate area if they if they do go if we do allow them.

Ron Mattson1:52:33

But uh other than that I just really don't see a problem.

Sid Tobias1:52:35

And I think it'd be a benefit to the community as well as if we can find a way of increasing the use of our parks for by the community it's also be a good thing uh I'd I'd ask for consideration for a friendly amendment I'm not opposed but could we select one or two parks to have we have many parks right um so some of them might be appropriate for this some of them might not I think it would help focus staff's response to us if we uh gave them one or or two options maybe to begin with so is that just sort of like an example of the things that should be considered when they come back to report to us.

Sid Tobias1:53:18

Well, if it's in the motion, then we can focus their activity instead of looking at the impact of all the parks in View Royal, which may be somewhat significant.

Sid Tobias1:53:28

Council Rogers.

John Rogers1:53:29

Yeah, um I I appreciate the intent, but the uh complexities and challenges um and the fine print are very concerning.

John Rogers1:53:39

Um, you know, as as the mayor's indicating, to to identify a park would be very useful.

John Rogers1:53:46

Problem with Centennial Park is that you would probably undercut um the fundraising that the uh the baseball folks have to fund their their programs.

John Rogers1:53:57

The problem with View Wall Park and Porge Park is there's no parking.

John Rogers1:54:02

There's no access, you know, it's very challenging.

John Rogers1:54:05

So um and I guess uh hearing, you know, from other municipalities um, you know, and their challenges uh to provide such services is a s I think a rather intensive requirement of staff uh for monitoring and um um you know arranging uh such facilities um to uh gather funds.

John Rogers1:54:30

Um I mean so rather than establishing a uh um a bylaw I think we need a staff report to weigh the pros and cons of of this, what's uh what's required um um and because of the it it I think is very daunting.

John Rogers1:54:46

Um you know so I I just at the stage, um uh unless we get uh staff report to uh bring us full information about what the implications are and where it's possible to have these markets and and so forth, and and even with the uh uh fitness and yoga meditation courses or classes, again, it's um um you know the I think the intent um is is interesting and and uh positive, but the the practical realities um and um once we go down that road, um I think it would be very difficult to um uh to bring about uh an orderly method of business.

John Rogers1:55:25

So I'm I'm very cautious and and I can't really think of a park that this would be of of great benefit to the to the public.

John Rogers1:55:33

Unless um we get a staff report, I'll be opposed to this.

Ron Mattson1:55:36

I'd like a second Sid's motion to pick a park that staff could write a report about.

T. Preston1:55:42

And we'll leave that up.

Sid Tobias1:55:44

And we'll leave that up to staff to select that and appropriate as an example and it could be back.

Sid Tobias1:55:44

Sure.

Sid Tobias1:55:52

Councillor McKenzie.

Alison MacKenzie1:56:00

There are many examples.

Alison MacKenzie1:56:02

So I frequent a lot of these markets.

Alison MacKenzie1:56:04

I quite enjoy them.

Alison MacKenzie1:56:05

Um and for instance, the Esquimalt one in Memorial Park, no parking nearby.

Alison MacKenzie1:56:11

And yet on Thursday night it's packed there.

Alison MacKenzie1:56:14

People people walk, uh, take transit, etc.

Alison MacKenzie1:56:19

And I think um we're lucky here to be close to all those those connections, those uh paths and and and transit as well.

Sid Tobias1:56:29

McKenzie counseling.

Sid Tobias1:56:31

So thank you, council.

Sid Tobias1:56:33

Can you vote on your amendment?

Ron Mattson1:56:36

Pardon me?

Ron Mattson1:56:37

Vote on your amendment.

Sid Tobias1:56:38

Okay, then um so to get crunchy on it, the uh motion would be uh for staff.

Sid Tobias1:56:46

We're not changing a bylaw right now, we're acting for staff to report on allowing certain commercial activity in a View royal park of their recommendation.

Sid Tobias1:57:16

To include um food trucks specifically, but other uh opportunities as well.

Alison MacKenzie1:57:28

Yes, I think uh there's plenty of examples that staff could look to um to kind of replicate and get ideas.

Sid Tobias1:57:36

Okay.

Sid Tobias1:57:37

Councilor Brown.

Don Brown1:57:39

Yeah, be include music in there too, because music in the parks is great and Sanach and Victoria.

Don Brown1:57:44

Um people bring their own chairs, uh you know, uh parking, yeah, could be an issue, but like councill Councillor McKenzie said, I think a street parking, uh transit.

Don Brown1:57:54

But yeah, this the the neighbor, the summer concert series are awesome.

Don Brown1:57:58

Um if you've never been, it's uh it's great and it's cheap entertainment.

Don Brown1:58:02

It's free, right?

Don Brown1:58:03

So and they have food trucks there as well.

Sid Tobias1:58:07

Thank you.

Sid Tobias1:58:07

Uh is there support in adding music uh to food trucks and other activities specifically?

Ron Mattson1:58:13

Friendly amendment.

Sid Tobias1:58:14

Friendly amendment, it it is.

Sid Tobias1:58:16

Um so um we have a mover and a seconder, so I'll call the question.

Sid Tobias1:58:22

All those in favor.

Sid Tobias1:58:23

Sorry, can you make a motion again?

Sid Tobias1:58:25

Uh for staff to report uh on allowing certain um uh activities in a view royal park of their recommendations to include food trucks, music uh or other opportunities would this be as a pilot to to um test the feasibility and success of it right now it's just a report yeah it's just a staff report right now all those in favor uh any opposed non opposed motion carries staff is that clear i'm getting a sagely nod uh so i'll assume it is so that uh concludes parks and Rec.

Sid Tobias1:59:19

Uh Councillor makenzie over to you for environment.

Alison MacKenzie1:59:22

Thank you.

Alison MacKenzie1:59:23

Uh for the environmental uh chair's report.

Alison MacKenzie1:59:27

I don't have too much, just a quick summary of the Intermunicipal Climate Action Task Force meeting that I attended earlier this month.

Alison MacKenzie1:59:37

Uh, some interesting conversations there around our natural resources and uh interest from municipalities to treat them treat those resources like our assets, so asset management.

Alison MacKenzie1:59:52

Um so so there were was some interest there, and so we'll see if those conversations going forward.

Alison MacKenzie1:59:58

And also we discussed the need for communication education to the public around the energy step code, and the CRD did recognize that that's needed and that they're working on it, and in the interim, that the city of Victoria will be holding some lunch and learns if people are interested.

Alison MacKenzie2:00:20

So that is all I have for my report, and I don't see any other items, so I will pass it to Councillor Matson for the Planning Development Engagement Committee.

Ron Mattson2:00:31

Thank you.

Ron Mattson2:00:32

I'll uh open the planning development engagement meeting, and nothing specific under chair's report except just we have a number of items this evening, and so process wise uh staff will do a report.

Ron Mattson2:00:47

Then we'll have an opportunity to ask questions as opposed to provide comments to staff.

Ron Mattson2:00:53

So, first part is just question questions and answers from staff, and if the proponents of are also speaking again, chance to ask questions.

Ron Mattson2:01:03

Then once all the questions are finished, then we will provide our comments and feelings on the initiative.

Ron Mattson2:01:13

And then after that, we we can simply put forward either a motion or we can explain to staff what we want them to do with the report, which will probably end up in a motion.

Ron Mattson2:01:27

So just we've got a lot of items, and I just don't want us jumping all over the place because all of the tendency of getting lost and I will keep a list in terms of who speaks and asking questions.

Ron Mattson2:01:40

So let me know if you'd like to speak.

Ron Mattson2:01:42

Thank you.

Ron Mattson2:01:44

Yes.

Don Brown2:01:46

Sorry now you're uh questions on this particular the proposal that was presented by Mr.

Don Brown2:01:52

Ford.

Ron Mattson2:01:53

No he's now we we haven't got the a present presentation's coming up now by staff the report.

Sterling Scory2:02:02

All right staff uh Sterling Scorey community planner presenting rezoning an official community plan amendment application for the properties 339, 341, and 345 island highway um the proposal is to request rezoning from the existing C5 tourist commercial zone to a new comprehensive development zone and to amend the existing land use designation specified in the OCP, the Federal Community Plan, from mixed residential to neighborhood center.

Sterling Scory2:02:39

The proposal includes ground floor commercial, a condition of amending the OCP to the neighborhood center land use designation.

Sterling Scory2:02:50

It also includes a mix of studio one, two, and three bedroom units.

Sterling Scory2:02:55

In consideration of rezoning application and OCP amendment, the focus for uh the review tonight is on the use and density uh and uh height and and sighting of the the site the specific form and character of the building while shown in conceptual form will would be handled uh at time of development permit should the application uh move forward apologies for the uh the remote control leg um so the site is located in the neighborhood of harbor or harvard neighborhood uh to the north is fort victoria to the south is headle park and existing single detached dwellings.

Sterling Scory2:03:49

To the east is the Towns Fire Hall, and to the uh west uh is a mix of single family and a and a duplex.

Sterling Scory2:03:58

With respect to land use designation, the subject site is currently mixed residential.

Sterling Scory2:03:58

The site is the former Cambridge Cambridge Motel.

Sterling Scory2:04:08

To the north is intensive mixed use, which would permit a range of single detached and townhouse dwellings.

Sterling Scory2:04:16

To the east is the community community facility, which is host, like I said, the uh the fire hall.

Sterling Scory2:04:23

The residential large lot uh designation uh permits primarily uh single family homes.

Sterling Scory2:04:35

With respect to official community plan policies, uh this is just a highlight of some of the ones that um the project speaks to.

Sterling Scory2:04:43

Uh so it does provide a diversity of form and uh use uh with respect to uh mix of one and two bedroom and three bedroom apartments uh it is a street oriented building to island highway and uh they are proposing to have uh not low income but they would be potentially providing uh through legal agreement uh secure uh securing uh second uh two and three bedroom uh apartments with respect to zoning, uh, like i said, the site is currently designated tourist commercial.

Sterling Scory2:05:22

To the north is uh tourist commercial for a campground, the uh Fort Victoria site, and the uh the bulk of the uh zoning to the south and west is for single-family home uh use.

Sterling Scory2:05:55

The uh building one front uh island highway has ground-oriented units, so does building two.

Sterling Scory2:06:02

Uh you can see them uh shown here uh with uh walk-up style.

Sterling Scory2:06:07

The um building three uh does not, but uh they create kind of a uh a focal point around the uh the center of the site, which provides surface parking and uh access to underground parking.

Sterling Scory2:06:22

The majority of the parking on site is going to be underground, uh roughly uh 250 spaces.

Sterling Scory2:06:28

The reindeer of the parking will be located above ground as well as the the commercial parking.

Sterling Scory2:06:34

At the rear of the site, uh there is a small uh green space uh walking path, and uh I should clarify when I talk about uh front yard, I'll be referring to uh very slow.

Sterling Scory2:06:55

So, this is the front yard as defined by the zoning bylaw.

Sterling Scory2:06:58

This is the rear yard backing onto the fire hall, the flanking yard is Island Highway, and then the side yard is uh butting uh Headal Park.

Sterling Scory2:07:24

Cross section of the site.

Sterling Scory2:07:25

So buildings one and three that we just looked at, as Rob uh said in his presentation.

Sterling Scory2:07:31

Um the the buildings are uh six stories of uh residential in all instances, but based on the zoning bylaw, they are technically uh seven and eight stories is the maximum.

Sterling Scory2:07:43

So the building three would be technically seven stories.

Sterling Scory2:07:46

Building one is shown as six stories.

Sterling Scory2:08:14

But because of the slope and grade of the property, that's a bit difficult to do with the um the despite doing setbacks of the building.

Sterling Scory2:08:30

The site has a uh ground floor commercial uh space on the corner of Prince Robert Drive and Island Highway.

Sterling Scory2:08:38

This was secured uh through negotiation with the uh the applicant in terms of amending to the uh neighborhood commercial or neighborhood uh center uh land use designation a requirement for the that uh land use designation is that commercial be a part of the uh the application um and this space represents roughly 1575 uh square meters or sorry square feet of space uh and would be uh a focal point for that that corner.

Sterling Scory2:09:14

This is a rendering taken from Island Highway looking north uh northwest, uh showing more clearly the ground floor-oriented units and the uh the stepbacks uh of the buildings from Island Highway to the uh the side uh lot line.

Sterling Scory2:09:37

So as I said earlier, this proposal uh is looking to do a mix of studio, one bedroom, two bedroom, and three bedroom units.

Sterling Scory2:09:44

Um these details would be confirmed at time of uh development permit and building permits, so these are subject to change, but these do give an indication as to uh what could be done on site.

Sterling Scory2:09:56

Uh the applicant is also proposing to do some small amenity space within building two, two spaces, one that's approximately 940 square feet, another one that's approximately 495 square feet.

Sterling Scory2:10:11

This may be a gym or a small commercial or a small communal space.

Sterling Scory2:10:43

So they're having to go to a different land use designation to achieve the desired density.

Sterling Scory2:10:44

With respect to the maximum lock coverage, impermeable coverage, the setbacks, and the height, all of that would be determined through the new comprehensive development zone.

Sterling Scory2:11:04

If at a future time should the application be approved and the applicant came back with uh changes to the approved zone, then they would be subject to uh variance and uh uh or or potentially rezoning if they if they decided to change the project further.

Sterling Scory2:11:23

Um in terms of getting into the the details of of parking, uh the applicant has provided uh some details in terms of the number of spaces uh but any type of uh formal review of of the uh the technicality of of how it meets the zoning bylaw would be determined at the uh the development improvement stage uh along with uh some of the other uh requirements of the uh the zoning bylaw with respect to uh supporting documents the applicant has provided a transportation impact assessment it's in draft form uh the findings from that were that they would be installing a 20 meter westbound left turn lane on uh island highway at Prince Robert Drive.

Sterling Scory2:12:05

There would be frontage improvements along uh island highway and Prince Robert Drive uh including an installation of a new bus stop on island highway.

Sterling Scory2:12:14

There would also be traffic controlled intersection for Prince Robert Drive and Island Highway.

Sterling Scory2:12:21

The details respecting frontage improvements would be reviewed through the servicing agreement and would be subject to our subdivision and developments by law, all to be determined at a later time.

Sterling Scory2:12:39

Regarding tree impact assessment, the applicant did speak to this earlier.

Sterling Scory2:12:44

This is an overview of the tree removal or the those being removed on site.

Sterling Scory2:12:51

The ones shown in an X red X are those to be removed.

Sterling Scory2:12:56

Those shown with the red circle are to be retained provided that the Arborist recommendations can be followed.

Sterling Scory2:13:04

One thing that staff had flagged for the applicant was the concern of loss of trees.

Sterling Scory2:13:10

There's approximately 138 trees being removed from the site that would have to be replaced at a two to one ratio or a combination of cash and loo.

Sterling Scory2:13:32

The trees located on the rear property line, they have provided a setback of six meters.

Sterling Scory2:13:42

There may be a possibility to see further tree retention on site if setbacks were increased, but there would have to be some further conversation with the arborist to see if that's possible.

Sterling Scory2:13:55

One of the challenges the applicant has with further tree retention is that that increases the cost of the development, and it may change the form of the or sorry, the sighting of the buildings, and it may also change how the underground parking may be sited on the property, which has implications for the design as well.

Sterling Scory2:14:21

Regarding uh community amenity contribution, uh a landlift analysis was uh completed as per the town's uh community amenity contribution policy.

Sterling Scory2:14:31

Uh the land economist uh is on uh the call uh this evening he's joined us via Teams um the applicant has provided a tender assistance uh plan it's currently in draft form and uh staff are working with the uh the applicant to uh finalize some uh details prior to uh future future reading public hearing and then public consultation um there was uh mention of uh uh three different uh public uh public consultations uh two in 2022 april and december and then one uh last week um i'm speaking specifically to the uh the community contribution or community public consultation that was uh held at uh april of 2022 uh as shown on the screen so eight members of the public and uh a couple comment forms were submitted uh for feedback with respect to financial implications uh the town would be responsible for maintaining uh new signalized intersection uh sidewalks boulevard and trees should the application be approved with regards to next step uh the applicant will continue work with staff uh to revise the traffic impact assessment um the arborist report uh potential for further uh community amenity contributions, uh, this discussion around uh potential for below market housing uh or securing uh those two and three bedroom units through legal agreement, and then uh further is uh revisions to the uh draft uh tenant assistance plan.

Sterling Scory2:16:14

And staff are recommending that the uh the report titled rezoning and official community plan amendment 2023 oh one three three nine three four one and three four five island highway be received for information.

Ron Mattson2:16:30

Thank you.

Ron Mattson2:16:31

So before I open it up to my colleagues for questions of staff, uh I have two questions.

Ron Mattson2:16:35

Uh first is under our existing OCP, what could be built or what does it envisage for this property?

Sterling Scory2:16:45

To the chair, the existing OCP uh provides the opportunity to build uh townhomes and low rise apartments.

Sterling Scory2:16:56

I believe the low rise apartments are to a maximum of four stories and one point six FSR, and for townhomes and um duplexes, I think it's a 1.4 FSR and three stories, but that is based off my memory.

Ron Mattson2:17:14

So that's yeah.

Ron Mattson2:17:16

I just wanted to make sure that was out.

Ron Mattson2:17:19

Uh the other question I have is, and since the uh financial individual who did the landlift analysis, I just don't understand how it could be zero dollars in terms of an increase in the value of the property by rezoning it to at least my understanding is whatever the current zone is is into what the requested rezoning is, there's somehow no value added to the property.

Ron Mattson2:17:45

I anyways the that could be explained to me because uh it's it's unfathomable to me.

Ron Mattson2:17:53

Thanks.

Land Economist2:17:53

Can I should I speak?

Ron Mattson2:17:57

Yeah, so I'm quite happy to have uh whoever the individual is to telling us how that works.

Land Economist2:18:03

I I just don't know if um I am if anyone can hear me at the moment.

Ron Mattson2:18:09

Yeah, we can hear you.

Land Economist2:18:10

Oh, great.

Land Economist2:18:10

Uh well the the basic answer is that construction costs have recently increased so much uh that when you rezone this property, you go from a residual land value of zero to a residual residual land value of zero.

Land Economist2:18:26

Uh now that may change and is very likely to change as uh as the market returns to a more normal state where revenues have caught up uh with costs, and we have a more conventional situation where it is uh of possible to make money um on real estate development.

Land Economist2:18:51

Uh but the cost increases in the last two years have been in the order of uh 30 or 40 percent, depending on who you ask.

Land Economist2:18:59

Uh, and so it's very difficult to uh have any land value in this kind of development at the moment.

Land Economist2:19:07

Um, and um our job as when we do a landlift analysis is to use current uh market data to give the most accurate sense that we can.

Land Economist2:19:19

Um and it's just so happens that the current state of the market is in an unusual ebb where costs are high but revenues have not caught up.

Land Economist2:19:30

And so there's very little landlift to be had um right now.

Land Economist2:19:36

I could go into more detail, but that's the basic gist.

Ron Mattson2:19:39

Um I'm sure I've I don't know, I think everyone's heard enough of that one.

Ron Mattson2:19:44

Okay, thank you.

Ron Mattson2:19:45

Very welcome.

Ron Mattson2:19:50

Colleagues.

Ron Mattson2:19:51

Okay, I'll start with Don.

Ron Mattson2:19:56

Okay, I I'll maybe I'll just go this way.

Don Brown2:20:00

Just a couple of quick uh questi uh question and comment.

Don Brown2:20:03

Uh the commercial space uh is very small.

Don Brown2:20:06

Uh the neighbors I've talked to, uh, some of the suggestions were uh, you know, uh maybe a mall and paw type grocery store.

Don Brown2:20:13

And and I looked it up and it's like a a 7-Eleven store.

Don Brown2:20:16

I'm not saying 7-Eleven, I don't think that would be the ideal, but they're 2,500 to 4,000 square feet.

Don Brown2:20:21

So 1,500 square feet is pretty teeny tiny.

Don Brown2:20:24

So um that's just one comment.

Don Brown2:20:27

And also the it was hard to tell from the tree that which ones are gonna be removed, but in behind the property, there's a nice trail.

Don Brown2:20:34

It's about 40 meters long, and it could be um hooked up.

Don Brown2:20:39

I think it's Heddle Road, the other end.

Don Brown2:20:41

Um that would be really nice.

Don Brown2:20:42

But there's two rows of trees right now, and I believe one row of trees is uh town of Uroy will put it.

Don Brown2:20:46

I think I haven't you know the you know the trail I'm talking about?

Don Brown2:20:50

Yeah.

Don Brown2:20:50

Um so that would be ideal if that could be maintained, that would be perfect.

Don Brown2:20:54

Um a nice walking trail, that'd be awesome.

Don Brown2:20:57

And one more comment is it's fine to have a left turn lane on Prince Robert, but uh a light is a must.

Don Brown2:21:04

Otherwise, people are gonna be turning left and going on Prince Robert Drive through the windy road and hills and everything else.

Don Brown2:21:09

So those are just my three comments.

Sid Tobias2:21:14

Yeah, I just got a question that's lingering is um I'm supportive of some housing there.

Sid Tobias2:21:21

Uh uh absolutely.

Sid Tobias2:21:23

Um, but why is what is in this that's in the best interest of View Royal.

Sid Tobias2:21:31

I'm I'm seeing us having to pay for a light.

Sid Tobias2:21:34

I'm seeing us use it losing a hundred and thirty-eight trees.

Sid Tobias2:21:38

So I'm just wondering, yes, it will contribute to hopefully alleviating some housing problems, but I'm not seeing um a benefit to View Royal here.

Sid Tobias2:21:47

And I'd like to be convinced of that because we're taking our zoning that we agreed on through extensive engagement and changing that zoning to affect it.

Sid Tobias2:21:58

And by my calculation, there were this will accommodate up to about 600 people at 2.3 with the breakdown that they've given us.

Sid Tobias2:22:07

That is more people than the rest of the Harbor district, I would argue, probably in the traditional R1.

Sid Tobias2:22:13

And we're gonna put in a coffee shop and call it a town center.

Sid Tobias2:22:17

That just doesn't balance out for me.

Ron Mattson2:22:20

So, John, do you have uh questions before we go back and provide comments and thoughts on the development?

Ron Mattson2:22:27

So, questions of staff.

John Rogers2:22:31

Yeah, uh okay, question of staff.

John Rogers2:22:33

The um looking at print uh the island highway, um, the center line from the Parkett line uh this development is um what?

John Rogers2:22:43

Just let me double check.

John Rogers2:22:44

I think it's about 19 uh no 16, 16 and uh point five meters.

John Rogers2:22:50

Oh no, sorry, this property, yeah.

John Rogers2:22:53

I'm just trying to get the center line of the island highway.

John Rogers2:22:55

So it's 16.9 uh meters uh from um this development, but only 9.4 from Fort Victoria.

John Rogers2:23:04

So this road isn't in the middle in terms of the distances uh in it, and uh what worries me is the scenario where we're not gonna have enough side uh for the opposite when Fort Victoria gets developed, uh, for sidewalks, bike lanes, boulevards.

John Rogers2:23:25

So it there's do we not have to move the road over?

Ivan Leung2:23:30

Thank you, Chair.

Ivan Leung2:23:32

Staff has worked very hard with the developers engineer to come up with a concept plan that not only works for this development but also takes into account future road improvements on the other side of the road.

Ivan Leung2:23:42

And based on the uh concept plans that were uh provided to staff and reviewed, uh the full cross section can be realized given this plan that we have right now.

John Rogers2:23:57

When I think of um the aspire, because there are tons of similarities in terms of the the uh site uh the site coverage here and the site coverage of uh the aspire, it seems to me that the aspire is pulled much closer to the road than here.

John Rogers2:24:13

Is that um I I don't know, and I think that's that's one of the my questions will be when it comes back.

John Rogers2:24:21

Um, if I would love to get a side by side comparison to the uh development of the aspire uh compared to this, um, you know, in terms of the shops, the walkability, the transit service, the setbacks, and I suppose even the interior and also the tree protection.

John Rogers2:24:45

My understanding is that uh the aspire provided uh a greater distance of tree protection for the trees there on the corner and uh with hidden oaks.

John Rogers2:24:54

So um, and you know what's interesting with the aspire, the FSR is 1.5.

John Rogers2:24:59

This is 1.7.

John Rogers2:25:02

So I guess my question is as uh Councillor Brown has mentioned, I'm a little concerned, and maybe staff can help me with, you know, is a commercial of such small size enough to justify that increase in FSR from 1.5 to 1.74 or whatever.

John Rogers2:25:22

So that that's um another concern.

John Rogers2:25:24

Anyone wish to take that one on?

Ron Mattson2:25:27

Raf, do anyone want to respond to that?

Leanne Taylor2:25:38

Um so uh through the chair, the the addition of the commercial space is to further advance the key policy objectives for the neighborhood center uh OCP designation.

Leanne Taylor2:25:52

My understanding that originally the application was for all residential, no, no commercial.

Leanne Taylor2:25:59

The addition of the commercial, I believe, was resulted in the loss of two, three, or four, four units.

Leanne Taylor2:26:17

It's something that you know the applicant is not super keen on providing.

Leanne Taylor2:26:21

However, it is it is something that staff feel would be an amenity for this neighborhood.

Leanne Taylor2:26:29

And another point that the applicant did make is that adding this commercial sort of helps further advance those complete community objectives.

Leanne Taylor2:26:38

This proposal is quite close to the Rapid Bus Line Blink Rapid Bus Line on Island Highway.

Leanne Taylor2:26:45

It's about 850 meters to a future stop.

Leanne Taylor2:26:48

And we're talking about creating these 15 to 20 minute complete communities that would fall within that.

Leanne Taylor2:26:57

And given the number of residents that would be that could be living here um and also the neighborhood um and in and the residents that live within the neighborhood it's an also an opportunity to um come and you know uh uh interact um in terms of the size of the commercial space uh 1500 square feet is uh you know it's probably appropriate for a coffee shop um that sort of that type of business at the ground floor um that's all I can really say at this point yes thank you I guess um one of my concerns is the um uh the coffee shop or anything and and we see that with other um um uh businesses is there has to be visible parking it's gonna be very difficult to to know that there's parking and it's gonna be in behind.

John Rogers2:27:48

So um I wonder if staff can comment about on street parking on the island highway.

Ivan Leung2:27:55

Yes staff looked at that, and at this point, on street parking is is not suggested for this given the proximity to the intersection.

Ivan Leung2:28:03

Site lines are actually fairly uh, as you know, wherever Prince Robert Drive is, it's on a and if you're going down Prince Robert Drive, it's an acute angle, which makes site sight lines uh not as favorable as if it was a regular T intersection.

Ivan Leung2:28:17

And that's actually another reason why the road shifted further towards the um away from development improves those site lines, it's actually necessary.

Ivan Leung2:28:26

Um but at this time uh there's the staff are not suggesting on-shoot parking on island highway.

Ivan Leung2:28:34

If anything, there might be an opportunity to have uh on-shoot parking on uh Prince Robert Drive on the uphill lane if needed.

John Rogers2:28:44

Thank you.

John Rogers2:28:44

Uh I have other questions, but I'll let you know.

Alison MacKenzie2:28:50

I have a question which might be for the applicant.

Alison MacKenzie2:28:54

Um, I've always had concern with the noise in the in this area, given the proximity to both the highway and the fire uh hall next door, and especially seeing how many trees will be removed, uh, which could also help uh in terms of buffering that that sound.

Alison MacKenzie2:29:15

So I was wondering what considerations in terms of the placement of the buildings have been made uh to kind of mitigate some of that noise.

Alison MacKenzie2:29:25

I know we're not in turn at the landscaping or design stage, but in terms of the location of the buildings, uh what yeah, what thought uh considerations have been made for the noise?

Leanne Taylor2:29:38

Um uh through the chair, um that's an excellent question, Councillor McKenzie, and I think it would be best to be answered by the applicant.

Rob Whetter2:29:54

Um so the noise is actually not something that's been a big factor in placement of the buildings.

Rob Whetter2:30:01

It's been more about um um orientation to the street, facing facing both streets, um access to daylight, um, having the right size building blocks.

Rob Whetter2:30:13

So but I I think at the same time, you know, do buildings of this size act as noise buffers?

Rob Whetter2:30:22

Of course they do.

Rob Whetter2:30:24

It's going to be slightly different than the effect that the trees that are being replaced would have.

Rob Whetter2:30:29

We are planning planting new trees and we are um we are designating those setback areas around the perimeter to also add new trees as part of the replacement.

Rob Whetter2:30:39

So it won't be uh the site won't have the same um the same filtering of noise that it has currently.

Rob Whetter2:30:48

Uh it's going to be slightly different, but I think it's going to be uh equivalent in many respects, if not better.

Alison MacKenzie2:30:55

Thank you.

Don Brown2:30:56

Okay.

Don Brown2:31:02

I I don't want to start drilling down too much, but um six o'clock at night and you want a quart of milk or a a loaf of bread or something, you're not going to go to the coffee shop.

Don Brown2:31:11

So I I I mean once it's commercial, I mean we have no control or really nothing or minimal control of what goes there.

Don Brown2:31:19

People have said to me they would love to see I don't not gonna mention any chains, but there is chains that have small stores.

Don Brown2:31:24

I'm not saying 71.

Don Brown2:31:25

We don't want a 24 hour store there.

Don Brown2:31:27

But a small grocery store, 2500 square feet, that might be three units.

Don Brown2:31:33

Because 15 square feet is not many more than two units.

Don Brown2:31:37

So I again the coffee shop's not a good example, and 7 Eleven is not a good example.

Don Brown2:31:41

But it'd be nice to have something there that keeps people there.

Don Brown2:31:44

So they need something to finish their meal off.

Don Brown2:31:47

They don't have to jump in their car and drive to Thrifties or any of the other grocery stores that's close by.

Ron Mattson2:31:54

Any more questions of staff on the presentation before we get to comments?

Sid Tobias2:31:58

Yeah, yeah, I I've just got a concern about the um proposed um kind of um mix because we've got I think the average coffee shop for Tim Hortons or Starbucks right now is between 2,000 and 3,000.

Sid Tobias2:32:13

So I'd argue that even the uh space allocated isn't enough to justify the zoning to a town center.

Sid Tobias2:32:20

Uh, it's the smallest amount that we could even think about considering.

Sid Tobias2:32:24

Um, and and I would be more inclined to do an Eagle Creek light there if that's what we're talking about.

Sid Tobias2:32:32

Because with all of the rezoning we have done, including all of Irskin Lane, that was multi, there was zero commercial put in any, including a spire.

Sid Tobias2:32:43

And so, you know, a spire is a different story.

Sid Tobias2:32:45

It's very close to Eagle Creek, it's within uh a hop skip from there.

Sid Tobias2:32:49

But in this place, just looking even at the sidewalks, they're great until the fire hall, and then they essentially are kind of dubious and sketchy.

Sid Tobias2:32:58

So now it's the town's responsibility because we'll have 600 people living in this area to better connect them.

Sid Tobias2:33:05

So that that's my concern, I guess.

Sid Tobias2:33:07

About this, is it's nothing that a town center to me means that I can kind of go out and get those basic things as Councillor Brown mentioned, but I I I'd struggle to to see it and envision it to justify this rezoning here.

Ron Mattson2:33:22

Questions?

Ron Mattson2:33:24

Questions, John.

John Rogers2:33:26

Yeah.

John Rogers2:33:27

I I just want to come back to um uh Alan Highwin and the comment um with the respect to poor sight lines.

John Rogers2:33:33

And uh I certainly know from um I just simply do not go out to Prince Harper Drive.

John Rogers2:33:40

You know my life insurance isn't that high.

John Rogers2:33:43

So um is there also the expectation, aside from the um traffic light, which I agree with Council Brown is a must, um, but improving the sight lines, in other words, rock removal um for uh those that are wanting to even wanting to make a ride out uh and being able to make sure there's no speeding card coming from the west.

Ivan Leung2:34:06

Yeah, thank you for the question, Council Rogers.

Ivan Leung2:34:08

And through the chair, uh that is the reason why we are asking the uh applicants to revise a traffic impact assessment because with the traffic signal in there, does change the um distance for sight lines, for example.

Ivan Leung2:34:22

So um that updated report will inform staff as well as council as to what the necessary set lines are, and then as part of the servicing agreement, we would work with the applicant and their engineer to make it so.

John Rogers2:34:33

Thank you.

John Rogers2:34:34

And another we've we've had uh, and this was many years ago, um, a and approved, council approved a uh density development um across the road at 581, 5885, 349, and 347.

John Rogers2:34:48

So those right across the street, those um um duplexes and goodness knows what on Prince Arbor Drive and Adam Highway.

John Rogers2:34:56

So that's that's a dense, that's a complex.

John Rogers2:34:58

We even gave them an approved the dismantling of the the Heddle Road there.

John Rogers2:35:03

So how does that figure with this proposed development?

John Rogers2:35:08

Um and I understand even there's one going across the road.

John Rogers2:35:12

How is that uh in the cost sharing of a of a traffic light and even sharing the densities um uh rather than putting it all in this one site that we share the um six, seven, eight story buildings onto two lots.

Ivan Leung2:35:31

If I can maybe get some more clarification on the the question, just so I can answer it more than yeah, I guess the two points.

John Rogers2:35:38

One is how is staff aware and remote recall, because you know most of counselors is new, only Ron and I would remember, but that um block of properties had been gathered for a uh development rate at the on the opposite corner.

Ivan Leung2:35:57

So um I'm wondering if that brock block of properties, the coalition of that is still um permitted, or is that long since gone and wouldn't another application would be required so uh through the chair we are just looking this up so um can we get back to you in a couple minutes thanks I was wondering if I could delay it but um so there was one and I think uh staff are looking at right now there I think there was one planned uh and now I understand your question so with respect to the intersection uh the response to the intersection goes uh currently is with the applicant that's uh before us right now.

Ivan Leung2:36:48

Um, so it it's one of those ones where due to the OCP amendment, um, the traffic signal is required.

Ivan Leung2:36:56

So they'll be the ones that are responsible for it.

Ivan Leung2:36:58

So, you know, should uh council wish to enter a cost share of the others, um that's certainly something that can be looked at, but ultimately that the risk we have there is that if a development doesn't happen at that time, then we're kind of in a in a stagnant territory.

Ivan Leung2:37:14

So at this point, it is with the applicant for to have that traffic signal installed.

Alison MacKenzie2:37:24

Sure.

Alison MacKenzie2:37:25

I'm curious so this question is again for the applicant.

Alison MacKenzie2:37:30

I'm curious whether there's any reason other than financial why um these condos, apartments uh were chosen versus townhomes, as I believe the applicant also deals with um rentals of town homes.

Ron Mattson2:37:53

Especially given the property and that we're thinking.

Jeff Klaus2:38:15

Good evening.

Jeff Klaus2:38:16

Um yeah, we're excited about the project.

Jeff Klaus2:38:19

Understand all your uh questions and the concerns.

Jeff Klaus2:38:22

Um yes, um, counselor, we we do um uh a wide variety of different types of rentals in many different communities.

Jeff Klaus2:38:33

Um density is really important for new communities uh for creating cost effective communities.

Jeff Klaus2:38:41

Um the FSRs that are achieved or units per acre, uh which you can achieve on townhouses, may uh range from 40 perhaps 60 units per acre, Rob.

Jeff Klaus2:38:52

Um so on a three acre site uh we you know would get uh maybe 80, 120 units, something like that, which would make the development economics very difficult.

Jeff Klaus2:39:05

Um so we try to balance uh the massing.

Jeff Klaus2:39:09

Um, and I guess also just looking at that FSR uh basis.

Jeff Klaus2:39:13

We we did take a look at the original OCP that's uh in place that uh informs the community development.

Jeff Klaus2:39:21

Um so it's six stories uh or sorry, four stories rather uh for low rise and a 1.6 FSR.

Jeff Klaus2:39:29

We are trying to maximize the site and minimize impact, so working with uh a few different countervailing measures.

Jeff Klaus2:39:36

Um but the plan before years 1.74, I believe.

Jeff Klaus2:39:40

So that's a 0.14 increase over that base.

Jeff Klaus2:39:45

And we were trying to be respectful of that because uh this in the CD zoning that's contemplated here in the neighborhood commercial is that the designation, I believe, uh specifies a 3.0 FSR.

Jeff Klaus2:39:59

So we're not looking for that much of an increase.

Jeff Klaus2:40:00

So that would be almost double that base.

Jeff Klaus2:40:07

To mayor your your comments as well as what's it providing the town.

Jeff Klaus2:40:12

So to your point, I I do believe it's providing many more affordable uh housing options, uh, which is really important to diversify.

Jeff Klaus2:40:22

Uh that speaks to the OCP.

Jeff Klaus2:40:25

Um we are, you know, removing a significant amount of trees, and that's the nature of development.

Jeff Klaus2:40:30

We also are doing the uh Aspire development, which was mentioned.

Jeff Klaus2:40:34

Uh, we do try to minimize that wherever possible, but uh unfortunately, large-scale development requires removal of many trees.

Jeff Klaus2:40:42

Uh, to countervail that, the OCP and other bylaws do have a two to one.

Jeff Klaus2:40:48

So while we may be removing 130 trees, we'll be replacing them with 260 more.

Jeff Klaus2:40:54

We have worked with the planning department to increase the setbacks.

Jeff Klaus2:40:59

So while we're driving as much parking as we can underground and right sizing that parking because we certainly don't want any more vacant uh parking stalls and uh developing those at a great cost and inconvenience.

Jeff Klaus2:41:16

We try to right size that, but we have worked with staffing to increase the setbacks at, I will call it uh a little bit differently, the backyard on hill and the side yard to the uh uh to the uh fire hall uh to increase the planting sizes and also shrinking the size of the uh the uh uh parquade and and keeping it only one level deep so we don't have to blast as much.

Jeff Klaus2:41:43

Uh we are experiencing that right now at uh Helmkin and Burnside, and you know it's expensive and and there's risk as we understand uh as well to that uh for the community as well as ourselves and the neighbors.

Jeff Klaus2:41:56

So uh hopefully that answers some of your questions, but we're available for any other as well.

Jeff Chow2:42:02

But thank you.

Jeff Chow2:42:02

Thank you.

Ted Robbins2:42:03

Thanks.

Ron Mattson2:42:04

Okay, so thanks.

Ron Mattson2:42:05

So now I guess the next part of this is to for each of us sort of gets to provide his uh issues, concerns, and what you'd like to see with this project.

Ron Mattson2:42:14

And since I've been silent for so long, I thought I'd go first.

Ron Mattson2:42:18

And I've got I have a list, so bear with me when I when I point this out.

Ron Mattson2:42:23

Um so we look at the sort of the benefits of the town.

Ron Mattson2:42:26

We've got uh tax dollars, DCCs, and amenity contributions in with a large number of uh residences.

Ron Mattson2:42:35

But you know, when I when I looked at the down some of the downsides, you know, besides the amount of time and energy staff's gonna have to sort of work use to work on this project when we still need to do OCP things.

Ron Mattson2:42:49

I look at it, we're probably gonna get around 800.

Ron Mattson2:42:51

You know, we could get 850 people ish you know coming in this proposal, and and and that works out to just simply the cost of an RCMP, so you're gonna pay $180,000 more in RCMP costs because this project exists.

Ron Mattson2:43:05

We also have other things like uh cost increases that are affected by population increases.

Ron Mattson2:43:11

We've got our library and the one to few correct center, where specifically uh population has has an impact.

Ron Mattson2:43:22

Um, the when you look at the spire, there were a number of projects or there are a number of businesses close by, and so that number of people actually really made sense, and it's the benefit of the town because it would help those businesses.

Ron Mattson2:43:41

Here, there's nothing close by, and in fact, people will be having to sort of drive to you know through the community to get to any any sort of sources.

Ron Mattson2:43:50

And there's no business benefit for this, other than you know, what what the benefit will come out of people having to drive uh across town.

Ron Mattson2:43:59

Yeah one of the things I don't like about this project is there's not a lot of area for residents uh on the site.

Ron Mattson2:44:08

So you know, we need to get up we'll need to get another park or or something so that people can go to because you've got 600 or 600 to 800 people, and there's got to be something close by for them to do.

Ron Mattson2:44:19

And if there isn't, um you know we aren't doing our jobs if we aren't requiring and and then and on the site, there's just isn't given the number of people there, there.

Ron Mattson2:44:29

There it's not sufficient to uh accommodate the you know the amenities that they've set on the property just aren't sufficient enough.

Ron Mattson2:44:38

I've got a long list here still, so um the other worry I have is the potential for rat running, but you know, we had the comments before you could put ballards up and close off the block and that would keep people from going.

Ron Mattson2:44:54

But we've got around projects to build for another 2,000 people to come into the town right now, so the projects that are are currently being built.

Ron Mattson2:45:02

And we don't know what the impact of those are, and then we're gonna add another six to eight hundred people.

Ron Mattson2:45:06

So I I still that that that really worries me that we're just building too much too quickly uh what other things here we go and again our existing OCP I mean it certainly doesn't support the this current project this is huge compared to uh what's envisaged in the OCP and and given that we're in the process of doing an OCP I have a hard time of sort of creating this big an increase or big a change to the existing OCP.

Ron Mattson2:45:46

So I mean I just have a problem and and I again if this has nothing to do with uh community center.

Ron Mattson2:45:52

If it did there would be um you know much more um you know office space um uh commercial on the bottom floors and with housing on top certainly 1500 square foot coffee shop has nothing to do with uh what we're looking at in terms of a community center or neighborhood center and the things that we'd mentioned we need a traffic light um and there's nothing in it, you know, you've got the there's some funding is being provided for the existing residents for relocations, but like we did with um uh shoreline drive, we there actually was a right of first refusal for those people, and they could come back at the rents that they were currently getting.

Ron Mattson2:46:53

So right now we've got a lot of poor people who are basically going to be, you know, we'll help them sort of find some sort of uh they're gonna get some sort of help trying to find a place to live, but you know it's at a huge increase in rents compared to what they're currently getting.

Ron Mattson2:47:12

And there's no affordable units.

Ron Mattson2:47:14

I mean, one of the things we were looking at, one of the project staff was working on, been working on for like almost a year and a half, was getting 10% affordable units in a project.

Ron Mattson2:47:26

And I noticed you've said that you've put in working there for 14 months.

Ron Mattson2:47:29

And my question for you is why haven't you come to the committee of the whole 14 months ago so that we you could bring this to us and we could give you an opinion?

Ron Mattson2:47:37

Because from my perspective, I I just can't support this.

Ron Mattson2:47:40

And I don't even want to see it moving forward because this is so out of line in terms of what I see for that property.

Ron Mattson2:47:46

And this is just a huge, huge development with lots of negative impacts for the town and not a whole lot of redeeming features.

Ron Mattson2:47:54

So that's where I stand on the project.

Ron Mattson2:47:59

Don next.

T. Preston2:48:00

Just a couple more comments.

Don Brown2:48:02

The you know sounds generous to give uh three months or four months rent, but it's it's based on their current rent, so uh not at the market current level.

Don Brown2:48:11

So I mean they're they're probably gonna be 2,500 to 3,000, maybe even more for the three bedrooms.

Don Brown2:48:14

So um I don't really like that uh that very much.

Don Brown2:48:19

And also, and it's nothing against the developer at all, but we do have multiple holes in the ground now.

Don Brown2:48:25

And the current um actually 2022 population estimate is 12,300 people, so yet two more thousand from the project so we're at 14.300, and this is gonna be 800.

Don Brown2:48:36

So that's gonna push us up over the 15,000 mark, which not only means more police officers, but paying more for the police officers could be paid 90% instead of 70% of the cost.

Don Brown2:48:46

So again, nothing against the developers.

Don Brown2:48:48

It's not the fact that he's the last one on the in the line of of developments.

Don Brown2:48:53

But uh personally, uh I probably won't be here in 2031, but it would be nice if we could keep that below 1500 at least until the 2031 census, because the way we're going, we're gonna be way over 15,000 by 2026, way over.

Don Brown2:49:06

And I like your point too, Counselor Manson, because uh more people also means a bigger hospital.

Don Brown2:49:13

I have three friends in hospital now for several days, and they're still sitting in the emergency ward waiting for a room.

Don Brown2:49:18

So you need a bigger hospital.

Don Brown2:49:20

We do pay for that indirectly.

Don Brown2:49:21

We saw it up here, Capital Regional Hospital District.

Don Brown2:49:24

We collect tax for that.

Don Brown2:49:26

School taxes, you're gonna be looking at bigger, you know, bigger schools, and yes, we do.

Don Brown2:49:31

We collect school taxes as well.

Don Brown2:49:33

So people are complaining about an almost 10% tax rate.

Don Brown2:49:37

More people again brings yes, you get the revenue in for the taxes, but does it cover does it does it cover what the costs are?

Ron Mattson2:49:44

Sid?

Sid Tobias2:49:49

Yeah, I I think I made it uh made it kind of clear.

Sid Tobias2:49:54

Um I guess my my concern is right now I'm trying to configure it so it's in um the best interest of the developer as well as the town.

Sid Tobias2:50:04

Um this is the second property I think that we've had to really move people out of View Royal that can no longer afford to live in VR.

Sid Tobias2:50:14

And I would argue personally that we are not in a housing crisis, we are an affordable housing crisis.

Sid Tobias2:50:20

There's a difference.

Sid Tobias2:50:21

Um and and um yeah, I've just got uh trouble uh with uh reshaping that and and I'll be honest with you here, if it could take extra height and have less land impact, I get where the developer's trying to go.

Sid Tobias2:50:36

They're trying to make money off of the the development and uh and and and I recognize that.

Sid Tobias2:50:42

But um how can we configure it uh to allow uh if we're going to designate something um that was gonna be purpose built, this is an isolated area as was pointed out, right?

Sid Tobias2:50:55

People are gonna have to get in their car to get anything there realistically.

Sid Tobias2:51:01

Um and uh it is a good location, but I think if we're gonna look at that density, it's gonna have to have more commercial amenities to it uh to make it uh of benefit to the town.

Sid Tobias2:51:13

Right now, as was pointed out, increasing our population really means increasing the taxes at this dense population rate.

Sid Tobias2:51:25

I'm looking at 2 to 4% that we're going to increase taxes on because of the extra policing and potentially hitting that bubble.

Sid Tobias2:51:34

And I don't see we're already at the point right now with rapid growth that the town is concerned with keeping up at a slower pace with it.

Sid Tobias2:51:45

So I I would see uh a greater plan to preserve trees, build around them if necessary.

Sid Tobias2:51:52

Um and and uh I know that coming in that the developer wants to make uh a return on investment here.

Sid Tobias2:52:00

And um I'm looking at just a quick math from the type of apartments that they're proposing um with CMHC figures from last year.

Sid Tobias2:52:11

You're looking at north of two million dollars net profit a year.

Sid Tobias2:52:14

That's not small change.

Sid Tobias2:52:16

Um uh so I think there there's probably room in there uh to still make money off of some commercial and come to um uh a reallocation of of how that space works um uh and and still be able to meet the town and developers' needs.

John Rogers2:52:34

John?

John Rogers2:52:36

Yeah.

John Rogers2:52:39

You know, there's a I certainly have a um still a lot of questions and uh I tried to walk um around the site and um and you know I wasn't getting the answer.

John Rogers2:52:50

So um I think one of the things um I still need to do is a site visit.

John Rogers2:52:55

I need to have um Ed uh who's with our um ham radio operators he's he's got a drone and um I want to be able to you know test with the drone the heights of the buildings what uh what does that really impact you know with the to the uh the residents on Prince Robert Drive and and uh is that a um is that an issue?

John Rogers2:53:18

What is uh twenty-two meters compared to the 19 meters that's at the aspire?

John Rogers2:53:23

Um, how does that impact it on on a hill?

John Rogers2:53:26

With and you know, being on a hill without cutting into the hill makes the whole complex, the massing big, almost too big for the community.

John Rogers2:53:37

You know, I understand you want to build on the hill, but it's uh eight stories is still the presentation of significant massing, especially when it's long across the back.

John Rogers2:53:47

So I I worry about uh that that concept.

John Rogers2:53:50

Um I don't think there's sufficient um protection for the trees in the back.

John Rogers2:53:55

I would um pull the development closest to the road, the interior portions, make it the road, um redesign that, pull it back further from uh the the trail, because as Don's saying that Heddle Park or the trail um is, I think, an important amenity for this complex for the residents that would live here, live there as they would want to walk into the harbor and to Heddle Park and the amenities that we have in the community.

John Rogers2:54:27

One of the problems with View All is that we're we have inferior, inadequate infrastructure to handle uh the pedestrians and the traffic.

John Rogers2:54:39

And so the the comments that I'm getting about this development is don't let any rat run and go up and down View Well Avenue.

John Rogers2:54:46

And we got enough problems, and who knows when the province comes along and says we want to wipe out every single house and put in four units.

John Rogers2:54:56

The costs, as you know, we're in rock.

John Rogers2:54:58

If you have a challenges with rock in your section, try putting sidewalks and drainage and sewer and god knows what on Hedel, Prince Robert, Besborough, all that section.

John Rogers2:55:09

And to make matters worse, the traffic up and down not only the Prince Robert Hill, but the View Royal Hill here.

John Rogers2:55:17

Both are significant.

John Rogers2:55:19

And what I haven't heard from staff is consideration of that impact on the community on harbor.

John Rogers2:55:26

So the neighbors have come to the solution themselves.

John Rogers2:55:29

Put in bollocks at the top of the hill.

John Rogers2:55:32

But even when you do that, you're still going to have that propensity of shortcuts on Burnett and Jedberg.

John Rogers2:55:40

Jetburg, just like we can we've seen that uh with the possible issues with um the the the corner of Helmaken and and Island Highway.

John Rogers2:55:51

Um it's uh it's it's a real challenge.

John Rogers2:55:55

We don't have uh a bike lane going up Burnett for all the cyclists that would be uh using this this uh facility and we don't have a continuation of the sidewalk on Jedberg um that would take school kids to view well elementary so these are um these are costs that go way beyond the CACs that are provided now I know staff have talked about um looking for other amenity contributions to address these outstanding issues for school children and cyclists um but and I I look forward to hearing from that discussion.

John Rogers2:56:28

But I would also look to see that working cooperatively with uh and uh creativity creativity to um improve the uh the canopy and and I don't agree with the the situation that development it just costs three that's the cost of doing business, we have to clear cut.

John Rogers2:56:49

We see that and we've seen that at Thetis Lake, we've seen that, and we've seen clear cuts all over VO.

John Rogers2:56:55

And it's uh it's been a very long time, even with a two to one tree situation.

John Rogers2:57:01

You're not gonna get that significant forest.

John Rogers2:57:04

Not in this changing climate.

John Rogers2:57:06

So um I'd like to, I would like to be able to go on site and see what it is um and um discuss further on how we're going to improve the possibilities of having housing, but the massing does concern me.

John Rogers2:57:23

And in terms of commercial, as far as I'm concerned, when we had better not let transit put in a transit hub with just parking at the Atkins, that's where you can have an extraordinary opportunity for a Metro town, three 20-story buildings, God knows what, in that site, on top of a parquet for transit.

John Rogers2:57:48

So that I think is the walkable services, it's not for Victoria.

John Rogers2:57:52

And we've just heard if we can't put parking on on Island Highway, we have no chance of real commercial on the island highway.

John Rogers2:57:59

Because we're going to, at this moment, because it's called the highway, only accommodate the West Shore and the community commuters going through.

John Rogers2:58:10

So unless we change that philosophy and uh and address the sidewalks.

John Rogers2:58:14

So we've got a lot of big problems.

John Rogers2:58:16

Um, and unfortunately, you're still coming in with a growing community, and we haven't um we haven't fixed the harbor.

Ron Mattson2:58:23

So thank you.

Alison MacKenzie2:58:28

Yes, my thoughts on this um proposal is that the informal feedback I've heard from the public is that it's as it is, too large for the site.

Alison MacKenzie2:58:41

And I think that townhomes would be more appropriate than the site.

Alison MacKenzie2:58:46

Not only would it align with the current OCP, which was engaged on widely, it would also provide a more gentle transition to the single family homes in behind.

Alison MacKenzie2:58:57

And it would also give a housing option, which is currently lacking in terms of the developments that are in progress in View Royale currently.

Alison MacKenzie2:59:16

If I believe I heard correctly, at the strawberry veil was the only engagement that took no.

Alison MacKenzie2:59:24

Okay.

Alison MacKenzie2:59:25

All right.

Alison MacKenzie2:59:25

Okay.

Alison MacKenzie2:59:26

Never mind.

Alison MacKenzie2:59:26

I'm not one.

Don Brown2:59:27

Thank you last comment from don last yeah this is it um for for every space you give up for uh uh a a unit for rental uh to to commercial i mean you're gonna get lease money from the commercial so really i don't see you're losing anything in fact you're probably gonna get more revenue from um leasing commercial space and not only that it's gonna attract tenants if they can stay there and do some of their shopping or maybe I don't know maybe a dentist office or or whatever or actually you'd have a a large number of people that maybe even won't find a job there so um there's multiple options uh again the the space thing, you give up 1500 space uh you uh for rental accommodation, it could be easily made up by uh a a business.

Don Brown3:00:16

I like the I like Eagle Ridge.

Don Brown3:00:18

I like that uh development there.

Ron Mattson3:00:22

So you've probably heard what uh the committees had to say.

Ron Mattson3:00:27

Too much on the site, numbers of issues.

Ron Mattson3:00:32

Um, we probably don't want to see this back looking like this again.

Ron Mattson3:00:40

And I I I hear what you say about the 14 months, but I I gotta repeat, you should have come to committee the whole 14 months ago to give us a a concept concept because right now and and you did when you did, and we told you we didn't like what you initially came through, and this is just as dense as it was.

Ron Mattson3:00:57

It looks a little different, but it was just as dense as it was as when we saw it I don't know a year or two or three ago I don't I don't even know how long ago it was um so staff you probably have everything you need to from the committee I'm I'm assuming um so you can sort of explain that to the the applicant and um I guess that's it for for this item so we'll have to move on.

Ron Mattson3:01:28

So motion to we got a motion receive the report.

Ron Mattson3:01:32

Second.

Ron Mattson3:01:32

Okay.

Ron Mattson3:01:33

All in favor, games carried the sorry.

Jeff Chow3:02:08

Thank you.

Jeff Chow3:02:09

Thank you, Chair Jeff Chow, Senior Planner.

Jeff Chow3:02:11

Uh, this is an application factor for a development permit to make a patio, retaining walls, stairs, and wooden walkway to be rebuilt on a single family residential property at uh two eight zero uh 280 Shoreline drive.

Jeff Chow3:02:26

It's located at the end of Shoreline Drive, surrounded by water on the side and rear of the property.

Jeff Chow3:02:32

There was a uh development permit that was approved in 2021 to permit a building addition.

Jeff Chow3:02:41

And this application is for the kind of landscaping uh aspect of the development.

Jeff Chow3:02:46

The um there is a uh 15 meter setback from the natural boundary of Portage Park, and sort of as you can see in this aerial photo, it covers most of the site.

Jeff Chow3:03:00

The existing the pre-existing building was uh was actually located within the development permit area.

Jeff Chow3:03:07

And um addition the addition that was approved in the development permit uh was for within the center with a little bit with uh some minor variances for uh in that kind of impinge into the uh development permit area uh the proposal includes a number of things including um rebuilding just going counterclock counterclockwise from the from the north um there's a there's a dock on the property that has an old kind of uh wooden platform and stairs uh that the applicants would like to rebuild with um with with new wooden deck and steps um the cock there's a concrete, there's a kind of a concrete tile patio that they would like to uh refresh with the smaller with the smaller patio to the southwest of the property.

Jeff Chow3:04:05

There are there's a series of retaining walls they would like to, the mortar rock retaining walls that they would like to replace with an ornamental garden bed.

Jeff Chow3:04:14

And a number of retaining walls around the site would be replaced primarily with gabian walls.

Jeff Chow3:04:29

And about a third of the property is kind of a is a kind of a vegetated area that that would be that they would like to restore with primarily uh native species.

Jeff Chow3:04:42

So just do the little quick little photo tour as per the report just to um cover each little point here.

Jeff Chow3:04:51

This is the uh the old wooden dock dock that would platform that would be replaced.

Jeff Chow3:05:00

Uh this is the concrete, this is the patio that would be re replaced and reduced in size.

Jeff Chow3:05:06

And in this one, you can sort of see that the remainder of the uh the property on the on the water side of the property is primarily uh primarily bedrock.

Jeff Chow3:05:19

This is the southwest face of the uh the property, uh, and there's there's a number of of retaining mortared walk retaining walls that are that are failing.

Jeff Chow3:05:30

The bottom one that you see in the picture here um would be retained, but the proposal is to use kind of um uh kind of a regular kind of retaining wall with um um what's what's the term?

Jeff Chow3:05:46

Yeah, basically block, basically a block wall uh would be used in this area, and they would be and all the retaining walls would be no greater than uh 1.2 meters, which is the maximum you can do without uh without a variance or any uh geotech.

Jeff Chow3:06:04

This is a schematic of what the retaining wall would look like from the neighbor's property.

Jeff Chow3:06:08

Again, you see a number of courses of um blocks, and on the water side, it would be the vegetated gabbeans.

Jeff Chow3:06:21

And finally, this is um a chart of the kind of the uh the existing vegetated area that uh a lot of invasive species removal will be made, and again we plant replanting with uh primarily um native species.

Jeff Chow3:06:38

Um the the plant schedule shows uh shore pine as one of those uh plants in Duckless fir.

Jeff Chow3:06:45

And I think it has giant sequoia in there, but I'm not really sure if that's really uh viable in this location.

Jeff Chow3:06:53

So the requested variance is to permit retaining walls within the development permit area, which they're currently prohibited.

Jeff Chow3:06:59

Um there would be a variance to the setback requirements to permit the wooden deck and stairs and walkways to be rebuilt.

Jeff Chow3:07:11

Um the the application addresses the development permit area guidelines by uh the development would be all of this would be upland of the natural present natural boundary.

Jeff Chow3:07:21

Uh there'd be invasive non invasive non native plant species would be removed.

Jeff Chow3:07:26

As you can sort of see, there's quite a lot of um English ivy on the property.

Jeff Chow3:07:31

Uh development uh because it's up upland wouldn't affect existing um any existing habitat for marine vegetation or organisms.

Jeff Chow3:07:42

And the uh the mortgage walk retaining walls would be replaced with gabians which is um which is on the on the scale of shore stabilization methods is one of the uh one of the is is much preferable to hard uh to hard kind of watered rock walls they'll those serve to stabilize the uh slope in a more natural way and provide uh provide some some plant and insect habitat um finally there's a there is a uh report from a registered professional biologist that provides recommendations that will be incorporated as conditions to the development pyramid.

Jeff Chow3:08:19

That includes things like um um uh erosion sediment control, environmental monitoring, etc.

Jeff Chow3:08:27

And the uh a lot of the work has been uh the restoration kind of um methods are outlined in that report.

Jeff Chow3:08:36

So the in conclusion, the app the variances can be supported because they they reconstruct existing structures with a smaller environmental footprint.

Jeff Chow3:08:46

Uh the vegetated area will be restored with native species, and uh and the recommendation is to receive the report uh pending committee comments.

Jeff Chow3:08:58

Um notification can be made for the neighborhood about about the variances before it comes back to council for a decision.

Jeff Chow3:09:05

So and the applicants are present if there's any questions from the committee.

Ron Mattson3:09:08

Are there any questions?

John Rogers3:09:10

John Yes, uh as turning your attention to figures six, seven, and eight.

John Rogers3:09:19

So um on on figure, yeah, image um the image figure six more thanks.

John Rogers3:09:28

So it looks like the the uh the building is rising um you know towards the water if you're like the north end it's it's very tall and uh as you can see the buildings behind the they're almost at the shore level.

John Rogers3:09:42

So um is it the idea?

John Rogers3:09:46

Now let's go to uh the next one, seven.

John Rogers3:09:53

So with seven, what is that gray thing?

John Rogers3:09:57

Is is what is that gray thing?

Jeff Chow3:09:59

Uh through the show, that's next existing garage which is which has been renovated.

John Rogers3:10:05

Oh, yikes.

John Rogers3:10:06

How close is that to the property next door?

Jeff Chow3:10:09

Uh it is more than more than 1.5 meters.

John Rogers3:10:15

Imposing.

John Rogers3:10:16

And um so at that, is it suggesting then that there would be an eight-foot wall, two four-foot sections?

Jeff Chow3:10:25

Uh no, it would be um saying the maximum height of each wall would be no greater than four.

Jeff Chow3:10:31

And yeah, I think this this illegation illustration shows that they are stepped, and the intent is to um to sort of follow the grade as much as possible.

Jeff Chow3:10:42

It is there is a bit of a drop between the two properties, but uh it is kind of it's not at the at the water end of the property, there would be two four foot walls, but as it moves closer towards shoreline drive that the grade the grades kind of line up more.

John Rogers3:10:58

Yeah I'm just concerned um with the the visual impact on on the adjacent neighbor who's just a short distance away with a interesting gray monolith and um and and and a description of the is a segmented stone wall.

John Rogers3:11:16

What's a segmented stone wall as opposed to a rock wall?

Jeff Chow3:11:19

Um basically it's like um it's like a it's like a block wall.

Jeff Chow3:11:23

Block wall bricks or bricks.

John Rogers3:11:25

Yeah.

John Rogers3:11:25

Like you would see in in a you know big, big concrete blocks.

Jeff Chow3:11:31

Um yeah, they don't exactly specify here, but uh there would be it would be a block wall as opposed to mortar.

John Rogers3:11:38

So you know, for G to be more aesthetically pleasing to the adjacent neighbor that has to look at it, wouldn't it be nice to have a rock wall as opposed to blocks?

Jeff Chow3:11:48

Um the share of the adjacent neighborhood had because this wall is actually on the property line and uh benefits of both properties, the the adjacent property has provided a letter in support of the application.

John Rogers3:12:01

Really?

John Rogers3:12:02

Thank you.

Ted Robbins3:12:06

Good.

Sid Tobias3:12:07

Just had a quick question.

Sid Tobias3:12:09

How come Sterling's not doing this?

Sid Tobias3:12:10

Because Sterling was like the dock guy for a long time.

Sid Tobias3:12:14

And then the boss comes back and now he takes over.

Sid Tobias3:12:17

Is that it?

Jeff Chow3:12:18

Well, I think Sterling had a lot of display today.

Sid Tobias3:12:22

Thank you.

Sid Tobias3:12:22

I I I I don't have a problem with this uh one, and I thank the applicants for their patience and uh trying to green up the uh the environment.

Sid Tobias3:12:31

I think it's great.

Ron Mattson3:12:33

Allison, you all right?

Ron Mattson3:12:35

Yeah, the from my perspective, the the biggest issue would be uh getting the neighbor's support.

Ron Mattson3:12:40

And if you already have them, um if if he's happy with what it looks like, I don't really know, can tell really can't tell what it looks like, but if the neighbor's neighbor's happy, then then I certainly don't have an issue because it certainly does what it's supposed to do in terms of improving the property.

John Rogers3:12:56

Can I just get one uh on figure nine?

John Rogers3:12:59

Um so we the applicant is willing to remove all the ivy and all the trees.

John Rogers3:13:08

Is that is that what we're hearing?

John Rogers3:13:13

I I'm sorry, I can't hear that.

Sterling Scory3:13:17

Okay, good.

Kyle3:13:21

Oh, sure.

Kyle3:13:22

Uh so I'm Kyle, uh one of the owners of 2020.

Kyle3:13:25

Um the trees that you can see in that photo, those will all remain.

Kyle3:13:30

Uh the one that's kind of closest that you can see that's coated in Ivy is dead.

Kyle3:13:34

So we'll leave that up as a snake because it's been great for birds and raccoons live up there right now.

Kyle3:13:39

Uh, but we've girdled that ivy actually already, so a lot of that has died off.

Kyle3:13:42

So what we have is remaining kind of like ivy trunks that have climbed up those trees.

Kyle3:13:47

Uh our plan is to remove kind of the branches that have uh sprung out from a few of them uh for safety reasons that like to whip off in the wind, but otherwise we'll be leaving it because it seems like it's good for the birds.

John Rogers3:13:58

So that's an old are you telling me that's an old photo that a lot of the IV is dead?

Kyle3:14:02

Yeah, this is pre um pre the um building project that was done.

Kyle3:14:07

So um I don't know if we I don't know if we can put a newer photo up.

Kyle3:14:11

Uh that the um essentially like the all that grass is um is gone and the uh yeah, the IV is dead.

Sterling Scory3:14:19

Thank you.

Sterling Scory3:14:19

Yeah, thanks.

Ron Mattson3:14:20

So Jeff, do you have enough from us.

Ron Mattson3:14:24

All right, so no problems so far.

Ron Mattson3:14:25

Everyone's happy and content.

Ron Mattson3:14:27

Move your sheet.

Ron Mattson3:14:28

Second or Allison second.

Ron Mattson3:14:29

All in favor against Carrie.

Ron Mattson3:14:44

It's already done.

Ron Mattson3:14:50

Uh new public notification bylaw report from staff.

Sarah Jones3:14:54

Right.

Sarah Jones3:14:54

And the community planner will be in in a minute.

Sarah Jones3:14:57

I believe he's talking to the prior applicant.

Ron Mattson3:15:02

Mike's still on at the podium.

Sarah Jones3:15:05

It's just warming up for him.

Sterling Scory3:15:27

All right.

Sterling Scory3:15:28

Uh Sterling Score, community planner, uh presenting a uh file that has been ongoing, I think, yeah, so since 2021.

Sterling Scory3:15:40

Um so this is actually an update to uh a committee, the whole report that was taken to the committee uh last year in 2022.

Sterling Scory3:15:48

Uh but because of the the election period, um staff staff thought it would be best to kind of circle back once the election period was done before we started talking about uh amendments to new bylaws.

Sterling Scory3:15:59

And uh here we are.

Sterling Scory3:16:02

So the um the motion that this originally stemmed from was uh the one that's up on the screen.

Sterling Scory3:16:08

So it was uh staff to provide uh uh approach to public hearing for rezoning applications with the official community plan.

Sterling Scory3:16:17

And this came from uh Bill 26, which is a uh a bill that was adopted through uh the province and it affected the community charter and the local government act, um, two documents that uh provide a lot of direction for staff with respect to public hearings, uh land use uh uh land use decisions and uh other uh other such things.

Sterling Scory3:16:42

So I guess it's just a bit of a recap, what Bill 26 actually did was three three things.

Sterling Scory3:16:48

The first was to uh allow councils to change their public hearing processes and what that essentially did was the um the requirement for rezoning applications instead of having the ability for councils to waive rezoning uh or public hearings for rezoning applications they were then uh essentially just becoming defaults uh that there was no uh no uh public hearing um the other thing that changed was uh municipalities could adopt a public notice bylaw or public notification bylaw, and that uh was done to allow uh for municipalities to modernize their approach to communicate with their public.

Sterling Scory3:17:28

Traditionally, um, municipalities have had to rely on direct mail out, newspaper notifications, and posting in a public notice place, uh, typically uh at the town hall or at a community facility.

Sterling Scory3:17:42

Uh, the new the new changes allowed municipalities to come up with their own methods of notification for uh their public, uh keeping in mind though that the requirement to post at a public notice uh public posting place had to remain as one of the required options.

Sterling Scory3:17:59

Um the final change was then uh allowing staff to uh receive delegated authority for uh minor variance approval, and uh this was done uh largely in response from the province's initiation to try to address some of the housing affordability challenges that the province was facing.

Sterling Scory3:18:19

Their thought being that by reducing the amount of variances that could go in front of council, there'd be more time for other applications such as rezonings and public hearings to go in front of council.

Sterling Scory3:18:33

So alleviating some of that time.

Sterling Scory3:18:58

So across the top are the uh the files that uh we see in a fairly regular basis in front of uh committee of the whole and for uh for council so just to run through them uh the from left to right we have an OCP amendment a rezoning amendment or uh text amendment a land use contract temporary use permit uh development permit with variance a development variance permit and border variants um for the uh Town of View Royal um the OCP rezoning land use contract and temporary use permit all require 400 meter notification distance where the application is residential, commercial uh in nature, sorry, as well as industrial or a comprehensive comprehensive development.

Sterling Scory3:19:50

And then for DVP, DBPs, DPVs, and border variants, we have a hundred meter 100 meter notification distance.

Sterling Scory3:19:58

This far exceeds the municipalities that are in our region with respect to the requirements for OCPs, rezonings, land use, and tufts.

Sterling Scory3:20:07

So we're at 400 meters.

Sterling Scory3:20:09

In all instances, the other municipalities have 100 meters or less.

Sterling Scory3:20:14

Some are at 30 and uh 75 are our immediate neighbors.

Sterling Scory3:20:19

And then when looking at uh border variants, we have a hundred meter notification distance, and all other municipalities have a requirement to uh notify just to the adjacent uh property.

Sterling Scory3:20:31

Um looking at some of the uh applications that the town has received and processed over the past year.

Sterling Scory3:20:42

This is by no means all of the applications, this is just a snapshot.

Sterling Scory3:20:46

Um, I tried to get a list uh of uh some of the applications that were on that uh that uh table before.

Sterling Scory3:20:55

So you can see where we have uh development permits with variances uh or land use contracts, um, there is a significant number of notice mailouts, and this is largely to do with the notification distance that's required as evidenced by this map here.

Sterling Scory3:21:14

So this is a map I created in GIS.

Sterling Scory3:21:19

So this captures a sample property 258 Helmkin, which is currently being developed and had gone through rezoning development permits, I believe, in the past.

Sterling Scory3:21:32

So this is a sample of what a hundred meter notification distance looks like and a 400-meter notification distance looks like.

Sterling Scory3:21:39

For this property, 100-meter notification distance is roughly 40 meters or sorry, 40 uh properties.

Sterling Scory3:21:47

And then a 400-meter notification distance is roughly 380 properties.

Sterling Scory3:21:52

The challenge that staff face with this is not necessarily just the properties, but the number of units on each of those properties.

Sterling Scory3:22:00

Where a property happens to have a multifamily dwelling on it and condos, each one of those units then receives a notification as well.

Sterling Scory3:22:10

So you can see that it's kind of an exponential curve where there may be one property that has 80 units on it, and there might be several of those captured in a notification distance.

Sterling Scory3:22:22

You then have cases where we've had to send out hundreds, if not several thousand notifications for a single uh a single notice.

Sterling Scory3:22:35

The challenge with this then is largely to do with staff time.

Sterling Scory3:22:42

So for an application where we have notifications, a staff member is responsible for first of all identifying the properties that are within that notification area.

Sterling Scory3:22:54

They then have to manually manually prepare each of the notifications, which quite literally involves stuffing envelopes and then preparing them for distribution.

Sterling Scory3:23:08

And the other thing is they have to do a cross-reference between the notice found and then ensure that it's actually being sent to the the right address.

Sterling Scory3:23:18

We just don't have the uh the the technology or the uh the database to uh to do that other than by uh uh a manual manual review.

Sterling Scory3:23:27

So for a typical application of uh you know 500 to a thousand uh notifications it can be anywhere from uh like you know seven to twenty hours of staff time so that's that's equivalent of about a day to three days of work uh which means the the front the front counter is uh backed up because that that person is having to prioritize notifications the other thing that's challenging with this is because notifications have to be sent out prior to a uh uh a public hearing or a uh consideration of an application.

Sterling Scory3:24:01

If you missed the app, if you miss that notification timeline, then you have to bump the uh you have to bump the uh when the meeting takes place.

Sterling Scory3:24:09

Uh we're required through the uh uh the local government act to provide notification a certain time before for consideration of that application so I'll get into the the recommendations at the end of the um at the end of the presentation but that's that's a summary of of uh one of the uh one of the things that we'll be uh considering tonight the next is uh directly in relation to what was changed through the Bill 26 and this is to uh public hearing requirements so brief overview um public hearings are required for OCP amendments sewing by law amendments uh land use contract terminations.

Sterling Scory3:24:48

Their purpose is for uh members of the public to make representation to their local government.

Sterling Scory3:24:54

And the big question that we should ask is uh uh was the public interest heard and what members were able to provide feedback.

Sterling Scory3:25:05

As I said, current or prior to Bill 26, the process by which governments could waive a public hearing was by introducing a motion and saying that the public hearing would be waived.

Sterling Scory3:25:18

This was only possible if a zoning bylaw was consistent with the OCP.

Sterling Scory3:25:23

So if a rezoning application met the intents and land use designation of the OCP, then the public hearing could be waived through motion by council.

Sterling Scory3:25:35

Public hearing is done prior to third reading and typically after second, sometimes as after first.

Sterling Scory3:25:55

So should an application come in and it's it's compliant with uh the zoning by law is compliant with the OCP, there is no consideration for a public hearing.

Sterling Scory3:26:07

Um what this effectively means is that if council wanted to host a public hearing, they would have to pass through motion uh that their their interest in having a public hearing.

Sterling Scory3:26:17

And uh this can be done uh in the form of doing a council or a committee of the whole motion.

Sterling Scory3:26:24

Uh the reason being is that the next slide requires that if there is no public hearing or sorry, if you do have a public hearing, it can it can continue as normal.

Sterling Scory3:26:35

If you don't decide to have a public hearing, then staff have to prepare notice, advanced notice prior to first reading that council has elected to decide not to host a public hearing.

Sterling Scory3:26:50

If there's questions I can I can answer them at the end of the presentation if that was uh was confusing.

Sterling Scory3:26:57

And then finally the the next thing that was changed uh as I said at the beginning was uh review of the existing public notification methods uh for our town.

Sterling Scory3:27:07

So we currently have direct mailouts, we have uh newspaper notifications, and we have our public uh posting place, uh which is located at town hall.

Sterling Scory3:27:14

The change uh that the province has made is that uh municipalities can now choose their own methods of notification.

Sterling Scory3:27:23

Uh when we talked about this last uh July or last August, well, not August, I think last July or last September, um the committee had uh had an interest in doing uh the adoption of two new methods of notification, which were using our social media accounts uh and our website, uh continuing on with direct uh mail out, and of course, we still have to do our public uh public posting uh place.

Sterling Scory3:27:50

One thing that was a little bit unclear to staff was whether there was a desire to continue to do newspaper notifications or if there was uh an interest maybe in in taking that away.

Sterling Scory3:28:05

So, in summary, and I guess the there's quite a bit here to to read, um there is there is a recommendation on screen.

Sterling Scory3:28:13

Um, there's also uh an alternative recommendation.

Sterling Scory3:28:17

Uh the recommendation on screen is in uh five parts.

Sterling Scory3:28:22

So the first is to reduce the notification distance for uh OCP amendments, rezoning application, uh temporary use permit applications, and amendments to land use contracts from 400 meters to 100 meters.

Sterling Scory3:28:36

The second is to uh reduce the notification distance for development permits, development variance permits, uh the border variants from 100 meters to uh properties immediately adjacent to the subject property.

Sterling Scory3:28:51

And uh the third is to update uh sorry um development procedures bylaw number 730 2009 be updated to ensure that public hearing procedures are consistent with the local government act.

Sterling Scory3:29:05

The fourth is to uh uh update our new public notification bylaw, uh be drafted uh that it includes the following notification requirements, uh so direct notice mail out, posting the uh posting, the notice in the public uh public notice posting place, and uploading information to the town's website and social media, and then finally, uh the delegation of minor variances be further explored and a follow-up up report be provided to council.

Sterling Scory3:29:34

Um the alternate motion is the same, except that the edition of the newspaper ad has been has been added there.

Sterling Scory3:29:46

Just uh as I said earlier, um staff wanted a bit of uh feedback on that from the committee on whether newspaper notifications should be uh included moving forward.

Sterling Scory3:30:00

And that is the end of the presentation.

Ron Mattson3:30:03

So just for clarification, I understand that our current policy could remain exactly in place except for before we we'd have to actually pass a resolution at the committee of the whole to hold a public hearing.

Ron Mattson3:30:22

Is that is that correct?

Sterling Scory3:30:23

To the chair, correct.

Sterling Scory3:30:25

The the intent really for the amendment to the bylaw, uh the development development procedures bylaw for a public hearing is really to provide very clear direction for staff.

Sterling Scory3:30:34

When this bill passed, uh it was unclear when notification had to be provided.

Sterling Scory3:30:39

And if I crawl recall correctly, there actually was um an application that was being taken to uh committee the whole or council, um, and there was a bit of confusion on when that public hearing notice had to be actually completed.

Ron Mattson3:30:55

So okay.

Ron Mattson3:30:57

So given you've given us sort of five things to look at, why don't we just uh start with A and the committee can just give you a quick feelings on on each one of them.

Ron Mattson3:31:11

Otherwise it's too hard to do them as a block.

Alison MacKenzie3:31:19

I'll I'll make it easy because I'll talk generally if that's okay.

Alison MacKenzie3:31:23

Um oh as it is, I hear from the public that they're not aware of developments happening, uh, even at the 400 and you know.

Alison MacKenzie3:31:34

So I am really hesitant to change anything that reduces the awareness and engagement with the community.

Alison MacKenzie3:31:42

And if anything, we should be working to improve awareness that these developments are happening in someone's community.

Alison MacKenzie3:31:44

All right, thank you.

Ron Mattson3:31:51

Now let's go to A.

Sid Tobias3:31:56

I'm good with just the only thing that I would like to see that I agree with with this because I would like to see things remain.

Sid Tobias3:32:05

I would like to see the Gazette requirement because I don't think anybody gets, I don't get the Gazette.

Sid Tobias3:32:11

Nobody in the North End gets the Gazette anymore.

Sid Tobias3:32:13

And if you go to the online one, even though it might be there, you just read the front pages and you're not scanning to see public notifications.

Sid Tobias3:32:21

So I'm I'm in favor of keeping things the way they are with the elimination of the requirement to post the cassette.

Ron Mattson3:32:28

Okay, and I basically heard Allison say the same thing except for the gazette.

Alison MacKenzie3:32:33

I would if that was a motion, I would second that what Mayor Tobias said.

Ron Mattson3:32:38

Okay, so does anybody else want to keep it as is?

Don Brown3:32:44

I agree that the the yeah, the gazette, I get it, but it goes straight into uh under my bird cage.

Ron Mattson3:32:51

Okay, so you're you're also for keeping my policy as is, but don't in the gazette.

Ron Mattson3:32:57

John.

John Rogers3:32:58

Yeah, uh basically um keeping it as is.

John Rogers3:33:01

Now I just want to give an example and and where you you show two uh 58 Helmicken and you showed the comparisons of uh 100 meter and 400 meter thank you and um you know and I thank you for providing that illustration because that confirms in my mind that the 400 is most desirable I understand the complexities where you say you know the number of individuals that might be in a complex like Lions Cove but the complexity of this uh this development and uh would it held for the residents in in the area for those that would be on Jedberg and Redyard and even from the harbor area I I'm I'm pleased that that has that radius.

John Rogers3:33:50

If it's a cost factor to the staff, which I I I'm sure I know it is, amend the um the fees structures to those developments that want to have a development permit review and so forth.

John Rogers3:34:07

Amend the fee structures so it is cost neutral uh to the staff and to the taxpayers um that um you know where this this is required.

John Rogers3:34:17

So just amend the the uh put put the onus on the developer who wants to give proper notice when they if they feel that their their uh project is fantastic, they should have no worries about um you know broadening the scope and keeping the scope to 400 and uh spreading the good news about what they're proposing.

Ron Mattson3:34:37

Sid.

Sid Tobias3:34:39

I I think there will be a day very soon where we could use some technology to support this so you wouldn't have to hand stuff letters.

Sid Tobias3:34:47

So I think I we're and we're closer than you might think.

Sid Tobias3:34:52

Um so I I I would say that um, you know, with with the exception of the Gazette, let's keep things the way they are.

Sid Tobias3:35:02

Um and uh and um I know some of the the work that I'm doing that's going to be free might might help in this as well.

Sid Tobias3:35:11

That will be a reduction in staff time.

Sid Tobias3:35:13

So it it um our timing for being supportive of greater community engagement perhaps doesn't coincide with staff's requirements or wishes right now, but I'm gonna alter on the side of engagement and maybe technology might solve some of the grief uh in the next due course.

Ron Mattson3:35:35

John, you have a comment?

John Rogers3:35:36

Yeah, yeah, just another comment.

John Rogers3:35:38

Um so I know that you're you're responding to uh the provincial government's changes, um, you know, local government act, the bill 26 amendments.

John Rogers3:35:47

Um, and we I think we said in and even the last council um that we don't uh relish a thought of you know accommodating the province in this regard.

John Rogers3:35:55

Public consultation, public awareness is number one.

John Rogers3:35:58

But I I do thank the uh staff for bringing to our attention that we have to really be clear because of the uh provincial changes that we'll need to know exactly when um we're going to uh we have to call for the public hearing because I certainly don't want to get caught in a loophole where we didn't give the appropriate notice and suddenly there's no public hearing and and we're in a mess.

John Rogers3:36:22

So I would appreciate staff's uh diligence and keeping us informed when it's necessary.

John Rogers3:36:27

Thank you.

Ron Mattson3:36:28

So I I had a question, like when I first saw this, I just thought it was just a horrible idea.

Ron Mattson3:36:32

But um there are some things that I I really wonder about, like for example, the development permit for 2820 shoreline drive.

Ron Mattson3:36:45

I'm just curious what sort of notification would we have to do for that.

Sterling Scory3:36:51

To the chair, I'm not sure what the notification I don't know, I'm not sure what the application was.

Ron Mattson3:36:55

I don't I don't know what's uh environmental development permit.

Sterling Scory3:36:59

Did it have bears?

Leanne Taylor3:37:00

I I can answer that question.

Leanne Taylor3:37:02

So through the chair, it would be 100 meters.

Ron Mattson3:37:05

So that's that's one of the questions I have.

Ron Mattson3:37:07

There maybe like for even if it was a rezoning, some of the things don't I don't think they need to go that far because they aren't that yeah and so I don't know if maybe staff like so you hear you heard the committee say they they like the way it is now, but maybe there are some examples or exam things that you can come up with that where this just wouldn't make sense on certain properties and we could look at it.

Leanne Taylor3:37:35

Um so uh through the chair.

Leanne Taylor3:37:38

Um the it's all or nothing.

Leanne Taylor3:37:40

So it is by bylaw.

Leanne Taylor3:37:41

So if the bylaw states 100 meters for DPs, DPs with fees, DVPs, TUPs, it's 100 meters for everything.

Leanne Taylor3:37:48

We can't we can't pick and choose um what the notification distance is.

Leanne Taylor3:37:53

So um yeah, so it's all or nothing.

Ron Mattson3:37:57

So I hear my colleagues uh are are saying we should stay with what we currently have with that one with whatever with the gazette gone, and you'll obviously have to change policy so that the uh we pass the specific motion that's necessary.

John Rogers3:38:18

And and further you uh Ron, that um no if it's gonna cost more to staff, pass the cost on to f at the fee structure developers.

Ron Mattson3:38:28

Sure.

Ron Mattson3:38:28

Thank you.

Ron Mattson3:38:29

Set Sarah.

Sarah Jones3:38:31

So that means that you will see if you if someone wishes to make the motion and second it and we would have the vote.

Sarah Jones3:38:39

Uh it would be that the recommendation to council would see um item C, which is the development procedures bylaw updated to ensure that our public pre hearing procedures are consistent, uh, that we would prepare a new public notification bylaw dealing with direct notice mailouts, posting in the public notice place, uploading information on the website and social media, but not including Goldstream or newspaper ads.

Sarah Jones3:39:06

And we would um also have that the delegation of minor variances be further explored and a follow-up report provided.

Sarah Jones3:39:13

So the first two items would be eliminated in the motion.

Ron Mattson3:39:22

Yeah, I'm I was thinking that we were just staying with status quo, but what's the committee want in terms of those other items?

John Rogers3:39:32

Sorry, just uh you have uh staff with what you've just read to us would basically be maintaining the status quo, right?

John Rogers3:39:39

So we just drop the A and B.

Ron Mattson3:39:41

Yeah.

Sarah Jones3:39:43

And Gazette and it and it adds C to make us compliant with the Local Government Act, and it does um change the uh allow us to have the new bylaw to take out the newspaper ads and then also talk about how we do will have continue with direct notice mailouts, posting where we continue to post on our outdoor public notice place, and add the two extra locations of our website and social media and so allow those to happen.

Sarah Jones3:40:16

So that will be our alternative to the newspaper ads, and so that would need to be done by bylaw.

Sarah Jones3:40:20

So it would trigger that um activity to then happen, and um, and then allow a follow-up report about delegation to staff of um minor variances and what that may look like or may not look like, but we'll explore that option and come back to you.

John Rogers3:40:37

Okay, so the motion would be C D and E along with the uh Gazette issue i'll move that just a a question a second for discussion so anything before we pass it on to the second or no okay john i said this point of clarification is it um the staff then sorry pardon me uh could we leave it up to staff just to make the necessary amendments to fee structures um we don't need a motion on that regard or a subscription it would need to come back as um uh uh uh a fee bylaw okay review.

Ted Robbins3:41:19

Yeah.

John Rogers3:41:21

So that if that's uh understood, then um we can just leave it alone.

Ron Mattson3:41:26

All in favor?

Ron Mattson3:41:27

Against carried I missed my little blue uh iPad.

Ron Mattson3:41:53

These things are horrible.

Ron Mattson3:41:59

So we have the complete community grant application.

Ron Mattson3:42:14

My least favorite, this one.

Leanne Taylor3:42:24

Good evening, Mayor Tobias and members of council.

Leanne Taylor3:42:32

I don't know what's going on here.

Leanne Taylor3:42:33

But, anyways, I will oh back.

Leanne Taylor3:42:35

Here we go.

Leanne Taylor3:42:37

This presentation is on the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporations, also known as CMHC's Housing Accelerator Fund Program.

Leanne Taylor3:42:46

The purpose of this presentation is to introduce council to a funding opportunity being delivered by CMHC called the Housing Accelerated Fund and seek council support on submitting an application for funds to further advance housing initiatives within the town.

Leanne Taylor3:43:02

According to CMHC, the deadline to submit an application will be in the summer.

Leanne Taylor3:43:06

Therefore, time is critical should council wish to move forward with an application.

Leanne Taylor3:43:12

In response to the current housing crisis, escalating rents and a shortage of affordable housing, the federal government has allocated $4 billion in funds towards the HAF program to be made available to local authorities to incentivize the implementation of local actions that remove barriers to housing supply, accelerate the growth of supply, and support the development of communities that support these three priorities.

Leanne Taylor3:43:37

The development and these three priorities include the development of complete communities that are walkable, consisting of appropriate residential density and a diverse mix of land uses, providing access to a wide variety of amenities and services through public and active transportation.

Leanne Taylor3:43:53

The third priority is the development of affordable, inclusive, equitable, and diverse communities that encourage clear pathways to achieve to achieve greater socioeconomic inclusion, largely achieved through the equitable provision of housing across the entire housing spectrum.

Leanne Taylor3:44:08

And lastly, the development of low carbon and climate resilient communities.

Leanne Taylor3:44:14

To be eligible for the incentive funding, the town must commit to and meet four minimum requirements, including the creation of an action plan that specifies a housing supply growth target and commitment to a minimum of seven action plan initiatives to be undertaken to grow housing supply and see and speed up housing approvals.

Leanne Taylor3:44:36

The grant also requires the municipality to commit to a housing supply growth rate within the action plan that increases the average annual growth rate by at least 10%.

Leanne Taylor3:44:47

And the growth rate must be also exceed 1.1%.

Leanne Taylor3:44:50

And just for clarification, the growth rate over the last five years was 3.39%.

Leanne Taylor3:44:56

So the minimum that this grant is requiring municipalities to achieve is 1.1.

Leanne Taylor3:45:01

And also provide a housing needs assessment report and submit periodic reports to CMHC.

Leanne Taylor3:45:09

Staff completed a thorough review of the prescribed action plan initiatives provided by CMHC.

Leanne Taylor3:45:15

There are 20 of there are they there are approximately 26 initiatives to choose from, and staff selected seven that would have more relevance in terms in terms of further advancing key housing objectives in the 2011 official community plan, the community climate action strategy, and the draft strategic plan, as well as ones that are feasible to accomplish over the next three years.

Leanne Taylor3:45:38

So the first one is promoting higher density development and reducing car dependency without the need for rezoning.

Leanne Taylor3:45:45

So pre-zoning land or applying for other potential rezoning measures on lands that are in proximity to the identified rapid transit stations along Island Highway, including Atkins Road and then obviously further up along Helmkin Road.

Leanne Taylor3:45:58

And this is just not a blanket like pre-zoning all lands within 1500 meters.

Leanne Taylor3:46:03

It is strategic there are some lands there are parcels within within that area which are not appropriate for more density for a variety of constraints environmental constraints site constraints so it's not it's not it it is strategic.

Leanne Taylor3:46:18

It would require you know council review and an engagement so it's not it's not I I don't want there to be a misunderstanding out there that it's all all parcels within that 1500 meters.

Leanne Taylor3:46:34

And so that is the form of garden suites.

Leanne Taylor3:46:37

The the current OCP does speak to looking at in um providing other ground oriented rental housing, including garden suites.

Leanne Taylor3:46:45

The OCP does the current OCP mentions that we have quite a few larger size lots with older homes.

Leanne Taylor3:46:51

Sometimes it's it's harder for those older homes to install suites in older homes.

Leanne Taylor3:46:55

Sometimes landowners or property owners like to have garden suites because it provides a bit of privacy and separation.

Leanne Taylor3:47:02

So it's another form of that type of rental infill that could be accommodated on some lots within the town.

Leanne Taylor3:47:25

So the second part of this action plan doesn't really necessarily are relevant to the town is just part of that one action that the CMHC hasn't um within within the the guide but um the first part of that in terms of mandating um the larger size units again that is another policy direction in in the OCP it's a low hanging fruit um and something that to attract families the fourth one is promoting infill development so adding new units to existing communities by increasing housing density and a variety of unit types such as duplexes and secondary suites or any you know any other type of housing um again um this this is uh an opportunity to sort of look at the town as a whole and look at see if there's some larger size lots that might accommodate um uh a duplex or um perhaps look at the minimum lot size for secondary suites because right now it's 600 meters, which is fairly large lot size for a suite.

Leanne Taylor3:48:22

So something that we can explore as part of this initiative.

Leanne Taylor3:48:28

Number five is implementing revised parking requirements such as reduced or limited parking spaces for new developments.

Leanne Taylor3:48:34

And so as part of the 2023 to 2027 financial plan, staff have been tasked to do a parking, a parking review of the current regulations, as also strategies around parking.

Leanne Taylor3:48:47

Because as we know, parking um parking is very, very expensive.

Leanne Taylor3:48:53

And you know, areas around transit stations where there's access to to other other um forms of transportation um bicycle perhaps there might be an opportunity to not have such high parking requirements when your rate adjacent to a rapid transit station or other forms of um public and active transportation the number six is ensuring that development and amenity charges so fees that cover necessary infrastructure to support new housing and amenities such as libraries and recreation centers in and adjacent to the communities where development is occurring are clear transparent transparent and predetermined so um and and that is you know in terms of providing housing I mean that's and um that is what a developer understanding sort of what are what are the costs and we do have uh a community amenity um contribution policy um it's uh it was developed back in 2018 i think there's an opportunity to uh revisit that um and um and that's what this action item would speak to uh and then lastly implementing inclusionary housing we have heard at the council table that um the the the the desire to see some inclusionary housing um so below market units and developments um we've heard that a couple times and so that is one of the action action item initiatives that is listed um in the staff report there are a couple other ones that are listed um um and uh if council is interested, staff just felt that these were sort of more like low-hanging fruit um um it's consistent with existing policies in our OCP, our current OCP and um and we're only supposed to come forward with seven.

Leanne Taylor3:50:35

The next slide is talking about what we have to commit to.

Leanne Taylor3:50:41

So as I mentioned earlier, so for the at for the submission, we must establish two housing projections with and without without the housing accelerated fund money based on a three-year period and ending in September 1st, 2026.

Leanne Taylor3:50:59

Also, to be eligible, a local government must commit to a housing supply target rate um of uh well, an annual, an average annual rate of growth by at least 10 percent and exceed a growth rate of 1.1%.

Leanne Taylor3:51:12

And as I mentioned earlier, the growth rate between 2016 and 2021 was 3.39 percent a year and the program oh excuse me yeah yeah that's important enough it it's really quite confusing it says increasing average growth rate by 10 percent and exceed growth rate of 1.1 percent so could you explain that yeah so it is it it is a little on the confusing side so um the there's two parts to it and I'm gonna have to go back to to the guide on that one um I'm glad it just wasn't me.

Leanne Taylor3:51:53

Well, it's yeah, it's um it is is it's can it is a bit confusing.

Leanne Taylor3:51:58

And so right.

Leanne Taylor3:52:13

So um right, okay, so in terms of the annual growth rate.

Leanne Taylor3:52:19

So I just had to to look at uh the formula.

Leanne Taylor3:52:22

Um so for example, um in um so say for example, like the number of um the number of um housing units in the town was like 2,000.

Leanne Taylor3:52:37

And then by 2021, there were three thousand.

Leanne Taylor3:52:40

The change is a thousand, so there's there are a thousand more units, and so what you do is you divide that thousand by the um, I believe I might be getting this mixed up, but um the thousand by the two thousand, thank you very much.

Leanne Taylor3:52:58

And then that's how you get the growth rate.

Leanne Taylor3:53:00

Yeah.

Kyle3:53:03

Yeah.

Kyle3:53:07

Yeah.

Leanne Taylor3:53:09

So um, so that would be, yeah.

Leanne Taylor3:53:11

So for example, I I had I had the I have I do have the calculation, um, I just haven't memorized it.

Leanne Taylor3:53:17

But um, what I can tell you is that um from 2016, I can't remember how many housing units there was, I want to say something like there was four 4500, 4600, somewhere around there.

Leanne Taylor3:53:29

Please don't quote me, but it's somewhere around there.

Leanne Taylor3:53:29

By 2021, it was over 5,000.

Leanne Taylor3:53:34

So when you when you um divide the fourth, the 2016 into the 2021, you will you can determine what the what the annual annual growth rate.

Leanne Taylor3:53:50

And I can follow up with an email to make it more clear.

Leanne Taylor3:53:53

I think it's a bit muddled in my in my response.

Ron Mattson3:53:57

So just based on the 10%, say we had 5,000, we'd have to add 500 each year.

Leanne Taylor3:54:04

Okay, I'm gonna so I'm gonna get to that.

Leanne Taylor3:54:06

No, no, no, actually.

Leanne Taylor3:54:09

Um, but I will I will get to that.

Leanne Taylor3:54:14

All right.

Leanne Taylor3:54:16

So um okay, so in the report on um page I would say page, yeah, so page six, the um I think it's important to note here in terms of the financial implications of of this particular um program.

Leanne Taylor3:54:32

So um for the first like year one, year two, and year three, the the funding, the approved funding is basically to assist the town in implementing the actions.

Leanne Taylor3:54:45

So, and it's not, it's it's it's to kind of to provide a boost.

Leanne Taylor3:54:49

So it's to can um to be used towards um, yeah, well, we can use the money however we want, and I'll get that, get to that in a minute, but um it helps it helps advance um the um initiatives in the action plan.

Leanne Taylor3:55:07

And um, and then we do have to provide, we would have to provide um reports on sort of on action plan implementation.

Leanne Taylor3:55:22

However, that I guess that that amount would be that that money would be given to the town.

Leanne Taylor3:55:30

So it's only by the last year where we have to demonstrate that we have met those, um we have met the unit, like the housing affordable, pardon me, the units that have been calculated as the housing accelerated fund units.

Leanne Taylor3:55:44

We have to demonstrate by year four that we have met that target.

Leanne Taylor3:55:52

And if we get that, if we meet that target, then we get the last 25% of the funding.

Leanne Taylor3:55:56

So it's the last year, the last of 25%, which is really tied to to the units.

Leanne Taylor3:56:03

And in terms of again, we would have to figure out the there's different ways of trying to calculate the number of units we can and and and meet and meeting that.

Leanne Taylor3:56:16

And there's um we can look at building permits, we can look at census data.

Leanne Taylor3:56:21

Um typically that you know that is is something that staff would look look at as part of this part of the application.

Leanne Taylor3:56:30

This the the intent of this funding is to is to help the municipality to um to implement these these action items um for the first few years.

Ron Mattson3:56:46

So just looking at what you've got up there now, based we've got 800 or so units being built.

Ron Mattson3:56:53

I don't think any of we would qualify for money for any of those, even if we built them after this.

Leanne Taylor3:57:00

It's it's it's not units that are currently under construction, it's new.

Ivan Leung3:57:03

No, but I meant those.

Ron Mattson3:57:07

Um if if we applied for the grant, and you know none of these units, none of the those 800 units would be eligible for any funding because they don't meet the the requirements.

Leanne Taylor3:57:18

So those are units that would have been developed under current OC under current OCP.

Leanne Taylor3:57:24

So it's the number of units that have been delivered based on these action, these other action initiatives.

Leanne Taylor3:57:31

So for example, for example, um if you um if you know if if one of the action items is that um the town chooses to legalize garden suites, right?

Leanne Taylor3:57:46

So not we have and it's a bit of a calculation, like staff needs to kind of look into that a little bit further, and it's not going to be oh 200 garden suites were constructed as part of of as part of this program.

Leanne Taylor3:57:59

We I don't we wouldn't receive um funding for all of those units.

Leanne Taylor3:58:07

There's a bit of a there's a bit of a a um a there is a bit of a formula and um it is it is a bit complicated to um to explain just in terms of um because we still have to figure out if we're going to use like the build building permits as our data or if we're gonna be using stats can census we can have there's some options for us.

Leanne Taylor3:58:32

Um, and so we need to sort of dive into that a little bit further.

Leanne Taylor3:58:37

But it's but it but to answer your question, it is units.

Leanne Taylor3:58:42

Um we will get money for the units that have been identified as the housing accelerated fund, and it is based on um, and we have to meet this this, you know, obviously to to qualify, we would have to meet agree to meeting that minimum annual average growth rate of 10% um or or the one percent growth rate.

Leanne Taylor3:59:03

Um, but I'm hoping I can finish my presentation and then yeah.

Ron Mattson3:59:12

Even a garden putting in a garden suite, I mean, we'll probably pass the three year mark before very if any of these.

Leanne Taylor3:59:24

So maybe you can just talk about how long it takes to develop and um well I think it I think a lot of it will depend on in terms of what the so if you're speaking about garden suites in terms of what that program looks like so um and and and um in some municipalities garden suites are permitted in a lot of you know different zones and so um um applicants just have to apply for a development permit in some municipalities um development permits are delegated to staff so it accelerates the the approval process for garden suites um so and and the the these are all things that will come back to council for consideration and approval.

Leanne Taylor4:00:04

So it's not these are action items, and again we'll come back to council, come um and um there would be um you know levels of engagement as part of a part of that.

Leanne Taylor4:00:14

So it's um it's uh it's sort of it's it's I'll wait till you finish before we ask questions.

Leanne Taylor4:00:23

Go ahead.

Leanne Taylor4:00:25

So in terms of this in the incentive funding, so um there's there's three levels of that.

Leanne Taylor4:00:31

And so the first level is base funding, and um that is estimated at $20,000 per housing affordable um accelerated fund unit.

Leanne Taylor4:00:41

So that's all types of housing.

Leanne Taylor4:00:42

So all types of housing, including single family dwellings, duplex units, townhouse units, multi unit residential, um, so all types of housing.

Leanne Taylor4:00:52

The next um top-up funding is the the uh is to incentivize certain types of housing that meets those sort of those priorities.

Leanne Taylor4:01:01

And so what the first one is um $15,000 per unit within 1,500 meters of a rapid transit station, um, $12,000 for missing middle housing, so garden suites, triplexes, fourplexes, townhouses, and apartments that are less than four stories, and then seven thousand dollars for other multi unit housing near rapid transit.

Leanne Taylor4:01:23

Um, and then lastly, there's the affordable housing bonus.

Leanne Taylor4:01:27

So that's basically meeting um um providing affordable housing units um as part of, and that's a quite a a significant um uh uh incentive um amount of nineteen thousand dollars per affordable housing unit and then again um the in terms of um how we can use the funding there are a few options here so the um the first one is um the if the investments can be used towards the implementation of these action items action plans and so for example sticking to the garden suite um root policy strategy um that would be you know going through the zoning review developing design guidelines things like that so um and if we could use uh money to um you know to to hire a consultant to help out with that the money can use be used towards engagement as part of as part of um um developing a policy a grind suite policy so there's um again it is it is it is open it's very flexible in terms of how this money can be can be used um the next one is um investments in affordable housing um we're not we don't obviously we're not we don't have a real estate division we're really not in in the position to be you know purchasing land and building affordable housing and managing all that so the second one is really not um uh relevant to us as a municipality but that is one um um permitted use of of the funds.

Leanne Taylor4:03:05

The next one is on the money can be used towards um housing-related infrastructure that supports housing so um drinking water and wastewater infrastructure, solid waste management, disaster mitigation, list goes on.

Leanne Taylor4:03:17

So I mean, these are just some.

Leanne Taylor4:03:18

Some obviously, these are the examples that are in the in the grant the guidebook, but it does it can go on in terms of that type of infrastructure.

Leanne Taylor4:03:28

And then lastly, it's funds can be used towards community-related infrastructure that supports housing.

Leanne Taylor4:03:34

So local roads and bridges, building sidewalks, lighting, bicycle lanes, fire halls, probably landscaping and green space.

Leanne Taylor4:03:45

The list goes on.

Leanne Taylor4:03:46

And then again, municipalities have the flexibility in terms of how they spend their funding.

Leanne Taylor4:03:51

And it can be an you can split it up between all four categories.

Leanne Taylor4:03:55

You can put money towards just one category or two categories, however, council feels would be appropriate.

Leanne Taylor4:04:02

And then so the recommendation for council for the committees consideration is to direct staff to apply to the program.

Leanne Taylor4:04:14

Commit to a housing supply growth rate target that increases the average annual growth rate by at least 10% and a growth rate of at least 1.1%.

Leanne Taylor4:04:23

And then I mean at the end of the day, this is money that the CMHC, I mean, we have to get chosen so we can make an application.

Leanne Taylor4:04:30

It actually doesn't mean we're gonna get selected.

Leanne Taylor4:04:33

This is a program that is being offered across the country, and I know a lot of local governments are applying for it.

Leanne Taylor4:04:41

So at the end of the day, like we might not be selected, but again, it's it's money that is available that will help us implement some of these housing strategies, and that is guaranteed money, and um and we only have to demonstrate by the fourth installment that we've delivered on housing.

Leanne Taylor4:04:59

So, anyways, I just wanted to mention that.

Leanne Taylor4:05:01

And then the the other um, and then obviously the the seven action plan initiatives that I've presented this evening, um, though these are ones that staff felt were kind of low-hanging fruit, um already mentioned in our current OCP.

Leanne Taylor4:05:18

Um, some that have, you know, some initiatives that have been you know mentioned in some degree at council table.

Leanne Taylor4:05:24

Uh, and um, but again, um, there is a guide which has m more action items should council feel that you know if the if council's interested in this app in in in staff making an application if these are the seven that are suitable or if um there's something else that council would like to see.

Leanne Taylor4:05:44

So I'll leave it there.

Leanne Taylor4:05:46

It's um I know it's a bit of a mouthful my apologies for um muddling up that math but I'm hoping I am more than happy to send you an email a follow up email just to clarify that if if you like so thank you.

Ron Mattson4:06:01

So questions, thoughts, and we'll start with Councillor Brown and work our way back here.

Don Brown4:06:08

Well, I'm totally confused um well can you get five billion, is this five billion dollars was the total?

Leanne Taylor4:06:17

Um it's four billion.

Leanne Taylor4:06:18

Four billion?

Leanne Taylor4:06:19

Yeah.

Don Brown4:06:19

Amongst how many municipalities?

Don Brown4:06:21

I I have no idea how many municipalities are in BC, but it's across the country.

Don Brown4:06:25

Oh wow.

Don Brown4:06:26

So really we're not talking about a ton of money.

Don Brown4:06:29

I'd have to get my calculator out and figure it out.

Don Brown4:06:32

But uh per personally, uh I like to table this.

Don Brown4:06:35

I'd like to make a motion to table.

Ron Mattson4:06:41

I I I'm just wondering if we can go around and just get comments before we for a motion.

Ron Mattson4:06:46

I'll both draw up in one.

Sid Tobias4:06:48

Did you yeah, I I I thank staff for preparing the the uh report and looking at the opportunity.

Sid Tobias4:06:55

My concern is that with the pressures we've got from the province right now for the focus and likely reporting and having to take into consideration and largely maybe even rewrite our OCP based on some of their requirements and those effects.

Sid Tobias4:07:14

Now we've got we would have to be ascribing to the federal pressures for this program.

Sid Tobias4:07:20

They may all align.

Sid Tobias4:07:23

So here's my dilemma.

Sid Tobias4:07:24

I I don't think it's the right time for us to do this because of the various impacts we're going to be facing.

Sid Tobias4:07:31

If the province comes to us and says, Thou shalt do carriage houses everywhere, thou shalt have ensuites everywhere, thou shalt, you know, do other things, it's uh it might be good that we did involve in that.

Sid Tobias4:07:46

But I wouldn't want staff's time uh focused on reporting or necessarily the grant.

Sid Tobias4:07:53

I'd be wanting to you know use that time to ensure that all of our bylaws are um protecting the best interest of the town.

Sid Tobias4:08:02

However, I did do a bit of math.

Sid Tobias4:08:04

If we were eligible, which that is a very thin spread, for instance, View Royal got six million dollars out of the billion dollars that the province injected just in the province, right?

Sid Tobias4:08:17

And we're talking $4 billion, I guess, for across the country.

Sid Tobias4:08:21

So that's gonna run pretty thin.

Sid Tobias4:08:24

However, if we were to have the last proposal in there, because it was close to transit, and there was 324 units, and we were eligible for it, that's six million four hundred and eighty dollars.

Sid Tobias4:08:40

Just saying.

Sid Tobias4:08:42

So so the just a quick math, but I wouldn't see that being applicable to everything or everywhere.

Sid Tobias4:08:49

Um, so my concern is that we will have enough pressure to keep us very busy over the next year and a half that um committing to another thing might not be in the best interest of our focus.

Ron Mattson4:09:08

Thanks, John.

John Rogers4:09:10

Yeah, thanks for investigating and and bringing forward this this uh option but um the the federal complexities and the bureaucratic process you know i i I just worry about how much um uh effort it would take from from a staff perspective um just on that alone um and and four billion is nothing four billion with across countries is 200 000 units and that's gonna be gold up and and um probably the Metro Vancouver um because they've certainly got the staff the infrastructure and so forth.

John Rogers4:09:46

If if we could just, if it were possible to focus in just on the rapid transit corridor of um um, you know, from the casino boulevard, if you like, to um Atkins uh, you know, if we just put that and we said, okay, yep, we'll do um 12-story buildings, wall to wall, up and down the strip.

John Rogers4:10:08

You know, how much would um that because um the that's the only rapid transit benefit that we would have and it's not just rapid.

John Rogers4:10:17

Rapid is nothing.

John Rogers4:10:18

The bus is fast, big deal, it goes runs an hour.

John Rogers4:10:21

You know, it's it's rapid and freight uh frequency that are the two key things and that's why um I'm uh you know our our bus service along the island highway is uh then I know I know it's the it's the it's the infrastructure that um that we would have to have to support all this and I don't think what they're offering is enough to deal with um um the infrastructure inadequous we have it won't deal with the policing it won't deal with um all those uh other challenges so i i would think it's a it's a real challenge for for staff allison I think there's been sufficient feedback from the public about concerns of the speed of growth in v Royal that I would not want to commit at this time to uh the t the 10 percent.

Alison MacKenzie4:11:16

I think it we need to look at the quality and not just the quantity.

Ron Mattson4:11:20

Thanks.

Ron Mattson4:11:21

Uh again, one of my con I mean I don't disagree with anything my colleagues said and one of my concerns is I mean talking about the 12 story buildings and you know we could we could put in that 10% accessibility, 10% uh affordable.

Ron Mattson4:11:35

Unfortunately it's gonna take 10 years to get that built out and I don't know how this program works, but just because we put it in a plan doesn't get us the money.

Leanne Taylor4:11:44

And don't you have to have them built so um so for the the la we have to demonstrate that we've met the units in the last installment of the of it.

Leanne Taylor4:11:56

So it's um so we the the grant will provide the first three installments providing that we're you know working on the action plans and three implementation and things like that but we have to demonstrate that we provide any units by the by the four but we don't have to pay the money back like it's just we have um it's just the last installment is really contingent upon the the delivery of the units.

Ron Mattson4:12:21

Okay I get I guess one of my concerns is just the amount of staff time that take involved with this and how it conflicts with everything else we're doing and it's almost too bad it's not next year when we actually have an OCP and we we've looked at all these things to put in place because I I I just don't think we have the resources to do everything all at once.

Ron Mattson4:12:44

Sorry can you just remind me is this an annual thing or is it a one-time it's a one time uh so I guess you probably have heard enough there's concerns that it's it's just not doable and and we we'd much rather have you helping us put in a you know to set up something so we can tell people we want the 12 stories along uh the call would strip and we want 10 percent uh affordable housing and you know that that's sort of a message we'd like to get out to people but uh and uh and and maybe the the developers would come but uh going through all this whole process.

Ron Mattson4:13:30

I just don't see how it would work.

Ron Mattson4:13:34

Thanks.

Ron Mattson4:13:35

Yeah, it's a motion to uh receive the report.

Ron Mattson4:13:40

All in favor against carried, and you have everything you need from us.

Ron Mattson4:13:44

Thank you very much.

Ron Mattson4:13:44

And thank you very much for taking the time and energy to do this report.

Ron Mattson4:13:48

I again I just wish it was next coming next year.

Ron Mattson4:13:51

Thanks.

Leanne Taylor4:13:52

No problem.

Leanne Taylor4:13:53

So I do have another presentation, another and on another grant opportunity.

Leanne Taylor4:13:57

There are a lot of grant opportunities right now.

Leanne Taylor4:14:00

Staff feel that it's um it's important that we bring forward these grant opportunities to committee for consideration.

Leanne Taylor4:14:06

Um and uh and it's up to committee if um they would like to move forward or not.

Leanne Taylor4:14:11

Um and uh so anyway, staff feel feel that we're it's important to do that.

Leanne Taylor4:14:17

Um and uh we'll just go to the next presentation.

Leanne Taylor4:14:20

Oh no, I don't have a presentation, it's just a verbal update.

Leanne Taylor4:14:22

That's right.

Leanne Taylor4:14:23

Okay, so this one is pretty easy.

Leanne Taylor4:14:26

Um the uh this is another uh UBCM grant called a complete communities program.

Leanne Taylor4:14:35

And it's the purpose of it is around creating complete communities.

Leanne Taylor4:14:45

So you know, housing, transportation, amenities, making sure that our community is providing meeting the needs needs of our community and within a 15 to 20 minute area.

Leanne Taylor4:15:00

So that is sort of the definition of a complete community.

Leanne Taylor4:15:04

And um one of the projects that we have on our plate for this year, next year is doing a parking review.

Leanne Taylor4:15:10

And so um parking, you know, affects housing, housing costs.

Leanne Taylor4:15:15

Um obviously it's taught it it speaks to transportation uh and um it also uh looks at um and then the infrastructure.

Leanne Taylor4:15:25

So the infrastructure that is required to provide parking um not just within a development but also on our streets, our roads, pardon me.

Leanne Taylor4:15:35

So um the so staff feel that the the parking review um might be a good fit and eligible for this complete communities grant op opportunity.

Leanne Taylor4:15:46

Um and uh the council has budgeted $75,000 towards the parking review for 2023, 2024.

Leanne Taylor4:15:54

Um this particular grant is not um um like a match matching grant.

Leanne Taylor4:15:59

It would cover the entire cost of the project.

Leanne Taylor4:16:03

And the grant deadline is this Friday.

Leanne Taylor4:16:07

And so should council wish to have staff move forward with an application, we're happy to do so to for this.

Leanne Taylor4:16:16

I mean, obviously, again, not guaranteed it's going to get approved, but it's it's something that's on the work plan for this year and next.

Leanne Taylor4:16:24

And there is a grant opportunity that might pay for it.

Ron Mattson4:16:30

One question in terms of the grant, uh the the application goes out, and then I'm assuming we're gonna be hiring somebody with that $75,000.

Ron Mattson4:16:40

But one of the concerns, I guess some of my colleagues have certainly expressed is that um that we're basically asking consultants to tell us how we can densify um you know the main thoroughfares or etc.

Ron Mattson4:17:01

And it's sort of with it's pushing in a direction other than just sort of looking at what are the pros and cons of reducing the uh parking requirements and and and coming up with sort of options that like both the good and the bad, because a lot of times we just seem to that these reports come through and they're they're forcing a direction as opposed to sort of providing options to us so we can actually look at and uh evaluate on the basis of some of the problems that they might occur, that you know they might result in so that's one of the concerns I have in terms of some of the uh consulting work that gets done and so I'm assuming that this one will come back with the like with the the RFP it'll be sort of outline exactly what the goals and objectives are and so you so we can we can discuss that at a at a council yeah we can we can bring we can bring that back um the the so yes we would be hiring a consultant to do the work, we don't have the staff resources to do anything of that scale um and uh the um it would be at all, it would be an assessment.

Leanne Taylor4:18:10

And um, and there would be there will be public engagement, uh, there will be um yeah, reports back to back to uh committee and councils.

Leanne Taylor4:18:19

So it would be an assessment, a review, um, and developing new new basically and revisiting our current parking regulations and uh and also looking at our bicycle parking regulations.

Leanne Taylor4:18:31

Hopefully we can beef up those a little bit, and um also looking maybe at our accessible parking, things like that.

Ron Mattson4:18:38

So Sid and Don.

Sid Tobias4:18:41

Yeah, I'd be um interested in pursuing this as long as you um said, Counselor Mattson, that we could um shape the direction of the question we're asking that study to perform.

Sid Tobias4:18:57

Uh my hypothesis is right now with the cost of living in our normal single families, we've got mom uh moving back home or from or selling her house.

Sid Tobias4:19:10

We've got the son not leaving with a car, we've got more cars per house now, regardless of what direction we want to go in, and it's just our economic reality.

Sid Tobias4:19:20

But when now we add on an actual suite or a carriage house, my my interest in this would be what's the status now?

Sid Tobias4:19:30

And if we do these things like carriages and uh carriage homes and on and uh ensuites, like how is that going to affect our parking options?

Sid Tobias4:19:42

Um the well uh as well there we've got some indications where uh housing particular condos said you have to buy your parking spot, and people chose not to buy it, and then complained to the town that there's no place to park, and so they park on the street because of that, or they have more vehicles than what is available, or as in my street, they have a worker oversized vehicle that doesn't fit in underground parking.

Sid Tobias4:20:12

So I think I would love to be educated with our our status quo and just different options.

Sid Tobias4:20:20

If we do these things, what could we see as as as potential impacts to parking and the uh and the impact of uh on the roads because there's no way in most places in the harbor district you can park because there is no shoulder to park on it's a ditch whereas in some of the other areas there might be enough to squeeze on a residential street so I would be in in support of this as long as um council could ask questions that would inform uh the RFP before it goes out to get answered.

Don Brown4:20:55

John I'd like to move the staff recommendation.

Alison MacKenzie4:21:01

I'll second.

Don Brown4:21:04

Yeah, the uh I think it's in our review anyway, or five-year projects non-core anyway.

Don Brown4:21:09

So one way or the other we're gonna do it.

Don Brown4:21:12

So if we can get someone else to pay for it, why wouldn't we do it?

Don Brown4:21:14

And uh we can use the casino money for something else.

Don Brown4:21:18

So I think yes, uh I fully support it.

Ron Mattson4:21:21

John You got you served because you didn't second it.

Jeff Chow4:21:27

Sorry, pardon me.

John Rogers4:21:28

Oh go sorry, yeah, go ahead.

Alison MacKenzie4:21:29

Oh no, just quickly.

Alison MacKenzie4:21:31

Um no, I agree.

Alison MacKenzie4:21:32

I think this re the report that's suggested to be uh to use these funds for is uh an appropriate one and one that's necessary.

Alison MacKenzie4:21:40

And I I don't agree that it's um kind of just leading in a direction.

Alison MacKenzie4:21:45

I think as Mayor Tobaya said, regardless of development and demographics, all that impacts parking.

Alison MacKenzie4:21:52

So um yeah, sure.

John Rogers4:21:54

John.

John Rogers4:21:55

Yeah.

John Rogers4:21:56

Uh so just a question but the uh by making the grant applications to UBCM, it's not like the province where you have to approve the report in order to get the money.

Leanne Taylor4:22:10

So that's something I would have to look often usually how it works is that you're you're well, yeah, you're given installments.

Leanne Taylor4:22:18

And I do believe it is is mentioned that in the um in the guide.

Leanne Taylor4:22:23

I'll have to go back.

Leanne Taylor4:22:24

But usually how these grant works is it works is that they provide installments based on uh meeting milestones.

Leanne Taylor4:22:30

And then yeah.

John Rogers4:22:31

So the milestone is that the report is done, not necessarily um approved um that we would be, you know, we if if it made um self fulfilling prophecies that we would reduce all and destroy all parking in the community, uh, that we wouldn't necessarily follow that uh prescription.

Ron Mattson4:22:48

I I think what John's saying is it doesn't have to become council policy.

Ron Mattson4:22:52

The recommendations of the report don't have to become council policy.

Leanne Taylor4:22:56

Well, there's two parts, two parts to it.

Leanne Taylor4:22:59

So one is we're gonna be looking at a regulation, so hopefully making some bylaw, some zoning bylaw amendments to our current parking, because some of our parking regulations are outdated.

Leanne Taylor4:23:09

And um and we also need to beef up our bicycle parking requirements.

Leanne Taylor4:23:14

Um and uh and so it's us looking at that.

Leanne Taylor4:23:18

So hopefully we can look at you know, implementation in terms of um zoning by bylaw.

Leanne Taylor4:23:24

But again, like the the um the purpose of the grant is to do it is to do a parking review and um and is to sort to to look at everything sort of holistically and um and uh and perhaps some some maybe we're gonna you know make changes to our design guidelines.

Leanne Taylor4:23:46

Um maybe some of the changes um might be recommended to uh you know update our zoning bylaw.

Leanne Taylor4:23:52

Um it's it's it's uh and again it's um a review encompasses quite quite a few things.

Leanne Taylor4:24:01

And so that's what, and then and part of that is doing an assessment.

Leanne Taylor4:24:04

So part of parking review is that the consultants would do a current assessment and also compare our parking numbers to other local municipalities of similar similar size and scale and context and then provide recommendations.

Leanne Taylor4:24:18

And we can um yeah I mean it can we can make the parking review of whatever we want whatever we want the consultant to look at.

Leanne Taylor4:24:26

But it's again it's um I think if if council wants staff to move forward with this then there has to be a commitment to doing a parking review and assessment and also demonstrating that you know that and you know genuinely looking at parking from sort of from a land use and housing and transportation side of it as well.

Leanne Taylor4:24:51

So I think um and that's you know when you look at parking um and and context changes.

Leanne Taylor4:24:56

So I think um it's uh it it's something that's on our our on our plan to do.

Leanne Taylor4:25:02

Um staff are happy to bring forward their RFP before it goes out um for council to to review.

Leanne Taylor4:25:08

Um this is a grant application to help offset those costs.

Leanne Taylor4:25:12

Um we may or may not get it.

Leanne Taylor4:25:14

Um and uh but again it's um it's available to us.

Sid Tobias4:25:18

Thank you.

Sid Tobias4:25:19

I'm gonna move the call to question where if we have a yeah, we're four minutes to ten.

Sid Tobias4:25:23

Yeah, I know.

John Rogers4:25:24

Let me take two minutes.

Sid Tobias4:25:25

So um we've still got an agenda to go, so we're gonna now have to vote on whether we want to extend past 10 o'clock.

Ron Mattson4:25:33

So, John, you'll have an opportunity when it comes back to us.

Ron Mattson4:25:36

Pardon me?

Ron Mattson4:25:36

When it comes back to us.

Sid Tobias4:25:37

This is applying for the grant.

John Rogers4:25:39

Yeah, just apply by the grant.

John Rogers4:25:40

But applying for the grant does not mean that um I'm fully convinced that there's parking review is gonna is going to be any kind of solution for the inadequacies that we have in this town that the other municipalities have.

John Rogers4:25:51

So comparing municipalities, because they got a ton of sidewalks and we don't have to.

Ron Mattson4:25:57

We're applying for grant.

Ron Mattson4:25:58

So call the question.

Ron Mattson4:25:59

I'm calling the question.

Ron Mattson4:26:01

All those in favor?

Ron Mattson4:26:03

Opposed?

Ron Mattson4:26:04

Carried.

Ron Mattson4:26:06

Thank you.

Ron Mattson4:26:09

To pass the chair on to counselor Rogers.

John Rogers4:26:13

Got nothing.

John Rogers4:26:14

So let's uh just move on to uh that's the mayor.

Sid Tobias4:26:22

This is question period.

Donna Frewing4:26:23

So if anybody has a question for counsel, either in the room first, and then we'll go to the phone uh Donna Frewing 286 Furall Avenue um short question why would we want this proposal that was proposed tonight for the um Cambridge Motel property I don't know what how it benefits View Royal.

Donna Frewing4:27:01

The applicant suggested it would bring 259 more rental units.

Donna Frewing4:27:08

We seem to have an oversupply of rental units already and not nearly enough townhouses.

Donna Frewing4:27:17

And you know, if he made a poor judgment in buying that property, it's not contingent on the people of View Royal to bail him out.

Donna Frewing4:27:29

And I don't know if you see any benefit to that, but I certainly do not.

Donna Frewing4:27:37

And um, so I'm just asking when you when this comes back that um you ask him how he's benefiting benefiting the community with his um proposal.

Sid Tobias4:27:58

Thank you.

Sid Tobias4:27:59

That was a uh question that we will absolutely entertain uh when we see the proposal back.

Sid Tobias4:27:59

And I hope the uh applicant does bring it back with some of the changes, including how it benefits View Royal, uh, when he brings it back next after some modification.

Sid Tobias4:28:17

Um Sarah.

Sarah Jones4:28:22

The uh after you deal with question period, perhaps uh the late item correspondence could be received as well, please.

John Rogers4:28:31

Move a sheet of correspondence.

Sid Tobias4:28:32

Uh the blue sheet, we I oh yes, yes, we will.

Sid Tobias4:28:36

Yeah, I I think I skipped over that.

Sid Tobias4:28:38

Um so nobody else in the room.

Sid Tobias4:28:40

Carl, is there anybody else on the phone?

Sid Tobias4:28:43

Mayor Tobias, we've had no callers this evening.

Sid Tobias4:28:48

Carl, I'll take that as a personal offense.

Sid Tobias4:28:50

Thank you.

Sid Tobias4:28:51

Um so can I get a motion to receive the late correspondence on the blue sheet?

Sid Tobias4:28:58

Uh is moved by councillor Rogers, second by counselor Madison.

Sid Tobias4:29:01

All in favor.

Sid Tobias4:29:03

And brings um us to the point uh that we're uh can I get a motion to terminate, please?

Jeff Chow4:29:10

So moved.

Jeff Chow4:29:10

Second.

Sid Tobias4:29:11

Moved by Councillor Matson, seconded by Councillor Rogers.

Sid Tobias4:29:14

All in favor?

Sid Tobias4:29:15

Any opposed?

Sid Tobias4:29:16

None opposed.

Sid Tobias4:29:17

Thank you, folks.

Sid Tobias4:29:18

Thank you, staff.