Committee of the Whole

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We'll call the committee of the whole meeting for March the 9th to order.

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And public participation will come right after a presentation we have from the Peninsula Streams Society.

So if you're if you're watching and wanting to call in, that would be the time to call in when that presentation is winding down and with that can I get a motion to approve the agenda please moved by counselor mattson seconded by councillor rogers all in favor opposed that's carried we've got minutes a through d move adoption thank you second moved by councillor rogers seconded by councillor lemon there any comments corrections no all in favor opposed that's carried, and then we'll go right to petitions and delegations, and we welcome mr.

Bruce from the Peninsula Streams Society.

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Bruce.

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Well, um uh thank you, uh uh Your Honor and and Council for the opportunity to speak today.

Um I do have the PowerPoint presentation that I provided in November, but things have changed since then.

Um one of the one of the uh things that we've done, and if you'll notice on the budget that we submitted for the grant and aid, that the ask to uh view royal has gone down from 25,000 to 15,000.

And we'll be looking for um just a change in scope for that.

Um also today I found out that another grant that I applied for looks like it came in, and I don't know what all the details of it, but I think it's a significant partnership with respect to um pulling together uh demonstration projects both in the Comox area and in Victoria.

So the two areas will be featured.

It would involve, I believe, the Salmon Foundation and some other uh organizations as well, which will bring more money into this.

And I think that View Royal being situated the way where it is in the head of Portage Inlet, that your you know, the town will be subject to um sea level rise and uh storm surge issues and problems into the future.

Here's a chance, I think, to use um other sources of money to demonstrate that View Royal is a leader in uh responding to climate change and adapting uh before problems happen.

So given this new information, I would like to say that for the uh grant aid application that we put in, if you could um keep that placeholder open within your within your um uh budget considerations here, that would be that would be great.

And like I say, as I think this other partnership money will uh play into it like I said I just found out about it today um the other uh the other the other application we've got is a quite a bit of smaller one which is to support stewardship um on the Millstream Creek um uh watershed and that involves um we're working with stewards from the Goldstream hatchery and stewards um all through the Millstream Creek watershed so we'll be looking to recruit um stewards and stream keepers from Calwood from View Royal from Langford and from the Highlands um so that's what that stewardship um initiative um proposal is.

So I split them up so that there's two and in case and I know I understand the situation that View Royal's in with respect to COVID in the casino.

And uh so I took that into consideration when I reduced the budget um for the beach projects, but and also split them apart to give you the most flexibility.

So I was just wondering if you have any questions.

Okay, thank you.

Councillor Matt.

So uh at the end of the day, what is it you're looking for from us for from from us for from a well in terms of uh in terms of money?

Yes.

Well, so you know, to some degree, the 15,000 that we're asking for the beach projects, um, which is you know gonna be leveraged up to um up to about fifty thousand dollars in total, um is is for the beach project.

That may that may come down a bit based on what I heard today in terms of of your participation, but it's very much I think important that when we work with the municipality and we're leveraging outside money, the the some financial support from the municipality uh gives the project certainly some uh more more gravitas and status if you if if you can follow me on that.

And um so that is um uh then on on the mill stream project, I I would just like to say thank you again for your past uh support for the both the planning stage and the construction phase of the millstream uh fishway project it was successfully completed this year um we do have is a need to do uh ongoing stewardship and some maintenance um uh associated with the fishway both upstream and downstream and that is that asked for two thousand dollars for this year thank you councillor rogers yeah, thanks um uh Ian.

So uh I just want to get some clarification on the uh the beach projects.

There are actually two.

There's the portion uh along Chancellor and the portion in the Portage Linear Park.

Right.

I can I can just for to refresh everybody's memory, I could quickly share my screen and and just show that if with permission through the chair.

Sure, yeah.

Okay.

So if you see here, this is the um uh the PowerPoint that I provided um last um last November.

And there's portage inlet uh there's that little beach there.

Um uh at the I guess at the west end of the uh the the linear park.

There's a better picture of it.

So that beach would be, this is in here and that.

And that this little bay embayment here that's got the uh piled up dead eel grass in it, that would be built up and out a little bit further than where the tide line is now, provide a sandy gravelly beach that people could uh enjoy, sit on, um, and would also provide substrate for fortress spawning.

Uh, as well as just around the the gravel and sand would go around the point to the left there, heading to a little bit towards the uh east.

And if you can look over here, we've got um uh Christie Point.

The beaches on Christie Point are are quite um impoverished and could do with some nourishment both for sea level rise and for humans and for fish.

Um Hospital Creek Beach is uh just further to the to the west along here, and you can see this is where the the estuary, this is Hospital Creek coming down.

And um this is this is again another picture of the estuary.

This is how we would get sand to the beaches through this property and down here in the summertime when this lawn is sufficiently hard that we can drive on it with dump trucks, and we bring the material in here and spread it.

Um this is a test patch that we put in in the uh in the fall, and it's being uh monitored over the winter for fish.

We haven't found any eggs on it yet, but uh we'll be looking again soon.

And essentially that gravel hasn't moved.

It's just spread out a little bit, but that was the idea is to see whether it moved either up or down the beach or east or west from that point.

And this is what attracted me or in in the first place is that to see this um uh estuary sediments di um disintegrating actually before our eyes and um every winter it gets worse.

So the project what would the project would do would be to put some um some round stones around here just to support the base of the estuary sediments that are left, and then build the beach vertically up in order to protect it against um uh wave action.

And the the the um beach would be extended along here, and then also uh some back in the back end.

These property owners have all committed at least a thousand dollars to the project uh each, um herbal commitments at this point.

And this is what we did as far as the layout was concerned, where we would um uh the different uh drift cells that would be um uh putting beach in.

Number six may not be done because of uh it might get uh too much sediment into it, so we may just put some into it as a test to see what how it fares over time.

And that's pretty well yeah um on that.

So any questions on on on that, Councillor rogers did that okay go ahead uh thanks so uh ian i'm hearing that um you could be coming up um funding um um money on the and i'm wondering um do you have a cost estimate on the two pieces uh one being porridge park and the other being uh hospital creek i haven't quite split them out but they'd be roughly about uh uh 60 hospital creek and 40 um uh the l up the linear park beach okay thank you counselor um we're getting feedback where's where's that coming from from probably from his okay um um a question as you acknowledged we um the casino has us in a in a bit of a pickle when it comes to grant funding this year um and you did mention that you had other funding coming in and so perhaps we could just kind of put a placeholder in what size would you see that placeholder if not fifteen thousand dollars and not fifteen thousand dollars would be good if it's about fifteen thousand uh uh ten would be ten would be great and and seventy five hundred I suppose would be maybe about the you know the minimum, and then with the sh with the property owners, we could we could we could go with that.

Um and I think I think that's not a not a uh tough sell, especially if this other third or fourth party money comes in because then it'll help balance off the grant we've asked for from the Pacific Sound Foundation for this.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, everybody's thank you very much, Ian.

Well, thank you, Mayor and Council for for um uh listening and uh you have giving me the opportunity to be able to present today.

Thank you.

No, thank you.

So moving on in the agenda, we are at public participation period.

Um staff, are there any callers on the line?

At this moment, no, your worship, we do not have any callers.

Okay, thank you, and nobody on the chat feature.

Thanks, Mayor Screach.

We do not have any comments this afternoon.

Okay, thank you.

So we will move right on to protect your services, and I'll hand the chair over to Councillor Lemmon.

Thank you, Your Worship.

And I my screen has died on me.

And so first up, I have no report.

Um where are we?

Oh, Inspector Preston.

Thanks very much, uh, your worship, council, for having me.

So I have uh a number of documents in front of me here.

I'll just give you a quick update uh in the 2020 um one figures here.

Um so far this year, January, February, we've had 545 files in uh in View Royal, which is a 14% increase uh over a year past.

Pleased to announce uh 20% decrease though in violent crime, uh 18% decrease in property crime, which is good.

So one thing that continues to be present is uh our calls to the hospital.

We had uh 28.

And just to kind of give you an overview of some of the the types of calls that we've been going to over the last couple months at the hospital.

Um I'll just give you a quick overview here.

Uh check well being, mental health, cause disturbance, unspecified assistance, suspicious vehicle or person, assaults with a weapon or causing bodily harm.

911 false uh alarms at the hospital, breaching uh vial or uh bail violations, called error as a result of sexual assault, harassing uh communication, breach probation, indecent act or exposing indecent exposure, assaults, the in talks in public, driving disqualified, um, assisting the fire department, um, missing persons, missing persons, uh check well being, and lost property.

So, those are some of the types of things that we do get called.

Um, I don't think I've I've ever given now that before, just the fact that we get called there quite often, but that's uh some of the rationale as to why we get called to the hospital.

Just general uh occurrences that happened in uh the West Shore here in the last two months.

Uh, a couple things of highlights.

There was a uh residential fire at Newstead Crescents.

The uh fire caused significant damage to the front porch of the residence.

Uh fire was determined to be suspicious.

The investigation led us to arrest two subjects, uh age uh 19 and 18, both were charged and uh have an appearance in court in March.

Uh police are on February 21st.

They're currently investigating an attempted robbery with the use of a handgun near Vetchins Memorial in Percy Place and the early morning at two uh around two o'clock in the morning.

Two suspects demanded cash over the as the victim did not have anything they didn't give, and the suspect fled on foot.

It appears to be an isolated incident, which is good.

February 12th, we responded to a shoplifter at uh West West Shore Town Center.

Uh the 41 year old male that we apprehended had seven outstanding warrants from um the whole CRD.

So an individual that uh we need to address, and obviously don't want in the West Shore.

Um February 8th, police responded to a report of a collision on the 2300 block of uh Salomon Road.

Uh the the driver was uh determined that the driver of a Fiat 500 was was traveling at a high rate of speed, collided with two parked vehicles.

The impact was so violent that uh it caused one of the parked vehicles to be pushed back nearly 30 feet, and uh the two occupants of the of the traveling vehicles were transported to the hospital with serious injuries, and the driver showed obvious symptoms of uh alcohol impairment.

So that's ongoing.

Um we assisted Caldwood Fire with a uh a fawn.

I know that got a little bit of media attention and was glad that we could help uh take uh a fawn that was stuck in a wrought iron gate at a residential property in uh on Porcher Place.

On February seventh, uh we caught a break and enter suspect at your casino here after being alerted by a remote security surveillance company.

We attended and located two suspects.

One of them was arrested for break and enter into a storage room, and the suspect also had multiple outstanding warrants uh on unrelated investigations with some of our municipal partners.

And maybe I'll um I'll just open it up here.

I don't know if you guys have a chance to read the report there.

So Matson, I see your hand on the case.

Sure, a couple questions.

First off, our our new superintendent uh one now is that just you getting a promotion or is there another position coming in?

No, I'm not a superintendent, I'm an inspector right now, and they haven't uh they haven't decided on uh um they haven't finished the process um and determined who will be the detachment commander moving forward.

So is that just like an elevation in the position?

It is.

So what happens is uh because the current establishment is hit 140, so that includes uh full-time members and staff, support staff, uh guards.

Once it hits 140, it meets the criteria for um a superintendent's attachment, which means that the position that I currently uh hold would be bumped to superintendent, and then these the operations uh NCO, which is the staff sergeant, uh his position is bumped to an inspector.

So both the superintendent and the inspector positions have to be filled.

Hopeful that uh I'll remain here at this detachment, but time will tell.

Okay.

Do you want us to provide you know letters of reference or anything for you?

That would account for a lot.

Yeah, forget it quite hospital uh.

Have you had a chance to talk to VHA about sort of what you can do to reduce the amount of uh officers' time in the hospital?

We have continuous, continuous talks with uh not only with the hospital, but with the province.

Um we're not alone.

Um my municipal friends and partners in Vic and Saanich, they run into the same issue where we take uh people or check well-beings or mental um mental health issues to the hospital.

And some days you'll you'll wait an hour and a half, some days you'll wait three hours.

Um so ideally, I'd love to see the the province look at changing perhaps the capacity at which uh security and and the mandate of security at the hospital that we'd be able to hand over uh these individuals because oftentimes they're especially the ones that aren't violent, it'd be nice to be able to hand them over to security.

But uh because they don't have the status, it says in the uh in the act that um the peace officer has to uh turn them over to a um a doctor.

So if we were able to if the security had peace officer status, we'd be able to turn them over to the security, and then they in turn would be able to wait and and uh and provide them to or give them to the doctor uh at some point.

But but that's something that uh I would encourage you to lobby your provincial government because that's a lot of your money and a lot of your resources being tied up.

And in my humble opinion, uh simply because um yes, there's a little bit of work behind it, but um if the act was changed, it would save millions of dollars across this province.

Okay.

And my last question, uh, you mentioned the use of auxiliary constables.

So I'm wondering how many you have and what are they allowed to do within their scope of authority.

So the auxiliaries, I don't know the exact number currently we have, but uh over the years, obviously their activities that they've been allowed to uh permitted to do has been severely diminished.

Um we are looking at um a program we're hiring a um counselor to ride with our community policing officer.

So um I think it's Lang Lankard and uh Callwood, and I'm not sure if the if they've asked you or not, but I know they they're asking the province for funding as well.

Um they're gonna go ahead and hire a uh a counselor to ride with us.

And we're gonna set up different venues around the uh the West Shore so that we can identify troubled youth, youth at risk, and that's a perfect spot that we're gonna be able to utilize our auxiliaries.

Uh more of a mentorship uh thing where we identify some youth that are at risk and maybe we take them out for for lunch or you know, take them down to the park or um take them to a movie or something, you know, almost like a big brother mentorship program, but using our resources, using uh the auxiliary resources, and using uh the the counselor from um I think it's Pacific um you might know it's Op Am Pacifica or Pacific Family Services.

So that's who we're gonna hire the individuals who can just remembered just one more thing.

I also noticed in your prolific uh offenders, rather than just sort of you know harassing them into submission, you it looks as if you you know you work with them to get them housing jobs and and things and sort of get them onto the sort of the straight and narrow, and I'm just wondering how successful that is.

That's a tough measuring stick, right?

Uh, because I think a lot of them, unfortunately, it's uh it's very cyclical for them.

They uh seem one step forward, two steps back sometimes, and sometimes uh yeah, you know, that might be the uh although it's it's more of a social a social work type of uh mandate, uh we certainly try to just out of human nature and compassion.

Why wouldn't we try to help if there's uh free free uh space and there's uh counseling and other services available that we know of and that we partner with, of course, we're gonna try to help those that uh that can be helped.

So yeah, we certainly do, and and the ones that um are just out here to to uh to steal and and cause the West Shore havoc, we make sure that we uh we charge them uh very appropriately.

Okay.

And while this wasn't in your report, I just one more thing.

I was talking to uh someone who who knows a couple of uh you know bikers and one of the the Hell's Angels, etc.

And from his discussion, it's almost like you know, just a bike club, but and I was the I'm sort of the total different impression, like I'm assuming that there's must be a lot of illegal things going on with the the what is it, the savages and the house angels.

And I'm just wondering if you know if there's anything you could say in this time given we are sort of public and like what sort of activities they're they're involved in and yeah I mean I'm it's a that's a tough one to broach uh in this form but uh thanks John.

Yeah I mean what I will say is we I think as everybody knows we had a a targeted uh homicide here recently um there's certainly ties to other criminal elements uh involved there it like it is targeted so um yeah obviously I have concerns with uh organized crime groups and and the violence that tends to to come with that and you need only look as far as uh Surrey, Kelowna, some of the other places that uh that unfortunately fell victim to organized crime.

So you know to that end, uh you know we don't think that the public's at risk in terms of the the the recent homicide here in Metchosin.

We have seen it before obviously when there's retaliations and so forth that's that's when these things get very concerning and scary.

Not that this isn't concerning and scary but uh in terms of the general public when people get clipped with stray bullets when they go to settle the score, if you will, and then unfortunately the innocent uh that have nothing to do with uh organized crime or these types of groups fall victim.

So that's uh that's troublesome.

And then uh, you know, I did give you a picture there.

Um, and that actually is Eric sitting on that's not photoshopped.

He actually is uh sitting on top of the table, very proud as a peacock.

Um that was as a result of three uh uh three search warrants that we did uh about a week, week and a half ago.

One in Calwood, one in Souk, and one in Langford, uh Triangle Mountain, Bear Mountain, and somewhere out in Souk.

Uh that's a lot of uh that's a kilo of ethamphetamine, eleven ounces of fentanyl, cocaine.

There's a um uh gun there as well.

That's uh I don't know if it's a handgun with the extended barrel on it.

Uh it's just as it's not uh it's not what you'd uh expect to see in in uh the West Shore, uh that type of quantity, and and uh it is concerning.

So that's uh a lot of that was seized out of Bear Mountain.

And uh Eric actually there is the dog, and and uh it went around the property and sniffed out uh the drugs that were in between two rocks in the backyard, is my understanding.

So without the dog, we wouldn't have found that.

It's the media onto this story?

Yeah, they are.

It's it's in the media today, actually.

Good morning.

Thank you.

Yeah, you bet.

Any other questions?

Yeah, yeah, thanks.

Uh thanks very much um for the report.

One of the things um I recall last year, and then perhaps uh COVID had got in the way, but it was the the plan of um bringing in our hiring uh retired police officers to help offset the the workload.

Uh can you update us on that?

Absolutely.

Um that program is probably one of the most successful programs I've seen in nearly a quarter century.

It's we've got six of them, uh, six retired officers with a combined uh service of close to 200 years of of corporate knowledge.

And so every every day, uh seven days a week from seven in the morning to six at night, they stagger their shifts.

Uh they are there to uh mentor our younger members.

The members on the road write off files of trivial nature that uh, and these members write up the files quickly for them.

It doesn't take them long.

So if there's you know something on the road that uh or a quick curfew check or something like that, they simply write off in a couple sentences, they fire it off, and our members actually create the file at the at the office.

They book the help book in prisoners downstairs.

There's about 12 different things that they do, but a lot of it comes down to being able to free up the sergeants or the watch commander and the corporal who normally would be sitting behind a desk reading all of these files.

And now you've got some you know 25 to 35 year retired staff sergeant or sergeant or corporal sitting there reading these files.

It's just it's a great uh great program and they work it's a perfect retirement job three on six off and uh so they uh they really enjoy it and it's proven to be so it's proven to be very valuable um over the coming years here we'd be looking to expand that uh probably to another have three on at any given time.

It's just so valuable.

Okay.

Um yeah thank you very much for providing the information on on new roads.

Uh it would be helpful for for me, I'm not sure about the the rest of the council, but I'd like to be able to see the cumulative numbers of calls for 2018, 19, 20, so we can start getting uh every year a uh a comparison of how many calls you make.

Sure.

Uh so I think there's only two years in here, correct?

Is that what I think?

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it seemed like a you know a combination of both, but I'd like to see them separately of uh per year.

And that just gives us a sense of of uh how much police involvement there is there.

Um I that's one thing.

I uh your frustration with respect to the number of hours that uh constables uh spend at the hospital.

Uh and um it's really useful for us to hear it, but I would um hope that a uh V Haw board member would invite you to uh speak to uh to the board um about that issue and and inform the rest of VHA board um if they don't know, but to hear that personally, um, you know, that's not just the West Shore, but uh regionally, maybe that uh that would be something that the board would be um able to take up and focus on as a project.

So we've spoken to VHA on many occasions.

Uh the director.

You've been to the board?

Uh not not to the board, but to the director uh who I'm guessing sits on that board.

Um yeah, I take it to the board.

And uh yeah, I mean I'm happy to to do anything that would that would get some momentum going because uh when you talk about inefficiencies, having uh having a police officer sitting there for two hours being a security guard or three hours, uh that's terrible use of resources.

Because I'm sure the board members would like to see you up in their communities as well.

Yeah.

Um and the last question about keep of prisoners.

Um I've kind of lost track of that.

Uh how many do you have uh that you're you're keeping there at the station and who pays for that?

So we don't we don't typically keep them at the detachment for any long periods of time.

It's a short duration, it's not a suitable location to keep them for you know days and weeks at a time.

So we're fortunate here in this area that we can take them to the correctional facilities of sheriffs and we have access to the sheriffs and they'll uh they take them elsewhere.

So last year I think we were s close to 700 prisoners.

I think we might have been down a little bit.

We were over seven hundred and some the year before, and I think we're down a little bit, I'm guessing because of COVID.

Uh there was quite a few months there where it was fairly uh idle, other than mental health calls and domestics.

Thank you very much.

Anything else?

Yeah, just got one quick one.

You you touched on it a little bit with Councillor Mattson.

But in the in the annual report where it it said West Shore RCMP, so 96 sworn officers, and then it says one reserve constable.

Yes.

So is that I mean, is that what the reserve programs come to now?

Is that we're down to one constable?

No, so that's there's an auxiliary program and then there's a reserve program.

So the reservist is uh Heinz Krauss, who used to be the corporal in traffic care.

Right.

So Heinz retired, but we hire them back as reservists if they want to if they want to work.

So they retire and they can come back.

It's almost like coming back on contract.

And so we can use them if we have a shift.

Uh the retired members, we can't do that.

They're just they're more administrative.

They're not, we're not, they're not operational.

So they sit in the office and they type off all the files, mentor the members and all that, but they're not actually outworking.

The one reservist we have is Heinz.

So if we're short tonight, we can call Heinz and say, Hey, can you work a night shift?

Yeah, okay.

But if he doesn't have to, if uh he's not on the schedule, it's just basically a contractor, right?

So that's so and then so how many auxiliaries are there?

Probably 10 auxiliaries, is there still something like that, eight or ten, something something on those lines.

I know they were still checking here a couple months ago to see solicit how much interest there was.

Uh it's still there, we still have a couple really active ones, but uh um, and they do a lot of volunteer work.

You know, when we're putting on um not so much the last year, but community policing events, you know, the basketball tournament or uh working with the kids, uh, canoe trips or um the first nations or anything of those things, our auxiliaries are they're great, they're fantastic to have.

There are a lot of them are more senior now, they're more um uh they're not your 18, 19, 20 year olds that are looking to join the the RCMP or a city police.

They're now a little more mature and they just do this kind of as a hobby on the side, it's not a stepping stone because uh it's not near as exciting perhaps as it once was.

Yeah, good.

Thanks.

Yeah.

Um, thank you, Todd.

I I can't imagine there's not a a um council on the island or even BC that couldn't get behind an initiative that would see you in the community and not languishing in an in an emergency room.

Um so what can we do, council?

Can we can we start with a letter to other councils and and on to the to the government um to the ministry?

What can we do?

So if I if I may, we used to have we used to be able to hand over prisoners uh many years ago to the hospital um security.

They had different status back then.

And then I I'm guessing there there was an incident uh where you know somebody was violent or what have you, and I'm not sure use of force or what have you, but as a result, this is what I'm being led to believe, anyways, is that uh as a result of that, they just changed the policy that we would have to stay there and hand it.

And and in 95% of the time when we bring somebody to the hospital, um they're not they're not violent uh to the point where once they get there, they're I think uh ready to see a doctor essentially.

But it's it's the five percent where they're violent, and we wouldn't leave um at that point.

We're not gonna leave somebody to at the hospital that's extremely violent.

We would stay there and use common sense.

But don't worry if they get violent, we would come back to the hospital if all of a sudden but it's just like if you add up the salaries, the uh the hours across this province, like you say, counselor.

Um I don't know how anybody from with any sort of a business sense could think that this is a good idea.

So it w what ministry is responsible for that policy?

Do you know?

I guess it would be the health and uh the Ministry of Health would have to change um their policies in terms of security at the hospital, the status of the security.

So uh between that and um public safety.

Um public safety, yeah.

So maybe it's a letter to Minister Farnworth or or a motion to UBCM.

Yeah.

Yeah, combination of yeah.

Can we work on that?

Well, actually, if we also just found out who the responsible for that legislation, probably just take staff a phone call.

We could when we do our letter to the province, we could CC all the other uh municipalities or something.

Unless we have we we must be able to do it electronically without having to I would think it'd be a letter to um Minister Farnworth.

I think it'd be under his jurisdiction.

Yeah.

So uh the question is this this isn't just unique for the uh West RCMP.

It's also the same with the all the other officers, police officers state municipalities that got to go to Jubilee or Vancouver, New Westminster, Cook Rutland.

So the unique, yeah, it's it's it's across the province, 100%.

And I know my municipal agencies, they run into the same same issue.

I said it the area of chiefs, and we talk about it, you know, Sanish and Vic and Oka Bay and everybody else.

The uniqueness is that um, you know, where it would have to be something that says um basically where appropriate, the discretion would have to be given to the doctor to say that uh that you could turn somebody over to a security or what have you.

Because in a lot of small spots, you know, in the RCP, you know, thinking outside these big cities, when you're in um alert bay and and you and you apprehend somebody, and perhaps there's there is no security at the alert Bay Hospital, we're it.

I guess we're gonna have to stay because there is no other viable options.

The frustrating part is where there is centers and there is other viable options.

That's where my frustration comes from.

It's uh I get that you know we have to be nimble and and you know, we're not a one-size-fits-all uh police force and uh you know, police forces in fact in this province and country, but um where where there is other options, viable options, why wouldn't it you know work and try to take advantage of those options what do you do when you're up in some small community and you're you have somebody and all of a sudden you've got you know a traffic accident to deal with or uh you know a break in that B and E or you know some other crime going on you I'm sorry we got to look just it's it's tough.

Um you know some of the smaller spots I've been where you're you're in the ambulance uh there is no ambulance on there so they'll call you if somebody's hurt or injured, you know, the RCP is also the ambulance.

You know, there's maybe a nursing station on the on the in the community or on the reserve.

And uh so you wear many a hats.

So you're the coroner, you're all that.

And in fact, some of our members right now, they're getting uh they're getting that exact experience.

I think I've mentioned to you before that we're sending two members uh a month.

They pay for it up to Nunavut because I want them to have more experience in First Nations uh policing, and I want them to have more experience um just dealing with some of the more difficult uh uh conditions.

And so they come back, they have they've had some wonderful experiences up in the Nunavut so far.

And uh we we send we got two up there right now, and they continue uh that we continue to do that for probably at least another six months.

Okay.

And lastly, um if council would uh would like, I'm arranging tomorrow with Culwood.

Um, um the dogs, just to um I know we talked about it and I haven't forgotten about it, Councilor Matson.

You know, you wanted to meet some of the other members and some of the other support sections.

You mentioned that to me about a year ago, and uh so I know Callwood is is asked kind of similar things.

I've I've offered tomorrow.

We're setting something outside their city hall with our two dogs.

One's an explosive dog, one's the drug dog, and we're going to do some demonstrations and maybe have the bite arm out.

And uh wouldn't that be great if Mr.

Mayor would volunteer to put the bite arm on?

Wouldn't it be?

I was thinking Councillor Matson should probably rubbed in beef jerky beforehand or something.

Yeah, don't have a barbecue the night before.

Yes, that button's own gone.

If you'd like that, uh perhaps I could uh arrange that with you, Councillor.

I mean, um, yeah, for your counseling.

Certainly, and uh I yes, I'm happy to assist in arranging as long as I'm not wearing the bite arm.

Yeah, no problem.

Right, great next couple weeks or okay.

Okay, yeah, okay.

Well I'll certainly arrange that with you next week.

And as per uh a letter, do what are we gonna do here?

I think we need to investigate it a little bit in terms of working.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, we've got probably lots of numbers, Andy, but the amount of time you could quickly estimate something, but just the uh the bigger issue is just who it should go to.

Yeah, okay.

Let me look and I think uh the the other mayors, I believe, uh Victorian Santa are also tackling the same issue.

So let me find out what's happening.

Okay, yeah, especially with the setup.

With the increase in in mental health and uh wellness calls.

Right.

Obviously, there couldn't be a better time to try to talk about that.

I'll see.

I'll see.

Yeah, great.

Okay, do we have a motion to receive received second it's received thank you thanks thank you very much thank you very much and good luck on the uh motion oh I thought you had good luck on getting rid of my belly I don't have to force I ask Paul but his eager is here he has a run that you you can join him on that sound funny you're up next chief sleeping all night okay uh good afternoon, Mayor and council.

Um I have for you the public safety report for January and February of 2021.

Um just a usual report from all the divisions.

Just wanted to touch base on a couple of um couple of issues.

Our bylaws working with uh RCMP on some uh homeless issues and uh subted review for some areas in View Royal that have just become hotbeds of uh of activity, particular underneath the Parsons Bridge and a couple other spots in View Royal.

Um I mean, generally last year, obviously, statistically, we were down uh because of COVID, but we're starting to see our our historical numbers come back as people start to uh to move around and we start to see sort of a little bit of a shift in the COVID, COVID modeling.

I mean, hopefully, as Dr.

Bonnie Henry says, we'll think we're out of this by summer and we're we're moving forward to a whole new different uh normal, which would be nice.

Um during the COVID period, obviously we've had the uh the staffing, the four person staffing, which has been very successful, and of course, through the budget will be moving to a similar model in July, which we're all very uh excited about.

And just touching on um sort of our homeless and opiate issues, they're still very prevalent in View Royal.

Um, the opiate issue is not isolated to downtown.

It is unfortunately quite prevalent in View Royal, and it's hitting all aspects of the population, whether it's people of success, people who are down and out or living on the streets, it doesn't differentiate.

Bad or dirty drugs are bad and dirty drugs, and those don't differentiate.

So we've been working closely with engineering, the RCMP, homeless issues, trying to find people in in V-Royal in these situations, some approved accommodations and and get them off the streets.

Unfortunately, when these people vacate that areas, they leave quite a quite a path behind them of debris and whatnot.

And there's a obviously a pretty significant cost to cleaning those areas up in View Royal.

As the inspector mentioned um two high profile arson fires in the last two months the one over on Newstead Crescent, which uh resulted in a a very a very quick arrest by the RCMP.

And then a second one uh on Song Heast First Nation where police were called to a domestic dispute when they came around the corner they found uh the RV uh in the car poured on fire uh up against the house uh again and then a quick arrest of that individual.

So those are two cases that are pending right now.

Um that'll be going to the courts and uh just obviously thank Mr.

Preston and his crew for their for their quick response and and arresting those individuals involved.

And more than happy to answer any questions that you might have.

Go ahead.

So number questions, sir.

Yes.

Fortunately my my notes of my book have disappeared so I did write down a a few here.

But just a quick question to start with you just mentioned uh the RCP.

So in general how's that how's our relationship with the RCP?

It sounds like it's pretty good.

It's it's outstanding.

I I think I think we enjoy uh a better than normal relationship in in so much as you know, Vure Royal is a small community, and we have the luxury of working closely with our members.

We were working with them on a file today on a on a uh a hoarding issue with a house and uh a mental health issue, which worked quite well.

So, I mean I I can't say enough about the RCMP and the work they do here in Bureau and working with us.

It's it's it's a great relationship.

Okay, thank you.

Uh so a few questions here.

The you mentioned the public alert notification systems.

Yes.

So is this the same thing that I get a beep on my phone every now and again telling me about an earthquake or something happening?

Yeah, there's there's the federal federal alerting, and then this is the localized one where each municipality controls me piggyback with the CRD on their program.

Their program is changing, we're moving to a new program.

So Troy has been working with the CRD on that transition.

Uh it should be a seamless switchover where people have to re-register or it might just automatically switch over, and we'll know in the next couple of weeks.

But we'll still have a notification system in VRL, just be a different vendor.

Okay, and our building department contracts that's still working fine?

Yeah, so far, so good.

Obviously, I mean our building inspections are a bit down from previous years, but I see an uptick coming in the future.

There's obviously several proposals on the books right now.

But the arrangement that we have right now is is working, and both the CAO and I keep an eye on that.

And if uh if it needs to be improved or tweaked, we'll obviously bring that back to you.

But it seems to be working quite well right now.

Okay, and and bylaw 980, the sidewalk clearing.

Yes.

Does that sound like some people aren't don't want to be cleaning their sidewalk think it's the town's responsibility or I mean so I'm just curious what's what's the issue with that one.

Well, I mean it's it's an interesting one in that I mean obviously the bylaw the bylaw is pretty clear that you're responsible for your sidewalk uh in front of your house.

The challenge is um people in some areas were quite diligent clearing the sidewalks, only to about a half an hour later have a snow plow go by and rebury the sidewalk.

Um you know, we've we've always encouraged in bylaw either a a sort of a voluntary compliance, or if you know you have an issue with a neighbor or someone in your neighborhood that you you actually approach that neighbor and have a neighborly conversation um I know the issue you're referring to and it it escalated quite quickly and got very personal for some people um that said um I mean the letters were sent out as a as a friendly reminder and and there was no there's no you know recourse to that but that's the challenge we have with with snow here we get it so few off so so few that when it does happen you know it's here for three or four days and then it's gone so it it really hasn't been that much of a problem.

V-Royal crews do a good job of their sidewalk clearing and and of course the road maintenance maybe too efficient in reburying sidewalks.

Okay.

And Parsons bridge.

So other than the what what exactly is happening under there?

We have two individuals living under the bridge.

Would be the north side, the six-mile pub side.

Um they are they're known to police and they're they're from downtown.

They were living under there.

They they haven't been there now for well the past, I want to say week and a half, two weeks, they appear to have moved on.

But again, the the results of that encampment under the bridge with the graffiti, the garbage, and the encampment, it's it's quite excessive.

I know the contracting's gone in and done some work, and they're going to be getting rid of the graffiti if it already hasn't been done.

But those two individuals have uh they appear to have moved on.

We don't know where they are, but they've they've left that area and moved to somewhere else.

No, you know, it's interesting.

Is there a conflict between them and the skateboarders or skateboarders taking the winter off?

The skateboarders generally keep keep to themselves and they they run a pretty tight shop under there, keep pretty pretty quiet.

This there was some perceived conflict.

There were some allegations that the skateboarders were coming over and removing articles and dismantling tents, but we I mean we're finding that's probably not the case.

It's just a matter of differences in opinions.

This is a very young couple in their early 20s, and you know, obviously trying to find their way, and and there's a a really hardcore drug addiction issue going on, and it it's so difficult for these people to to find a place for them and you know you can move them along but where do you move them to?

You know, sometimes it's better that we know where they are and manage it versus moving them to a different jurisdiction where they you know become a problem for someone else.

So uh they have moved on.

I I I don't know where they've gone, but um they have moved on.

Okay, and my last question is just the medical aid calls.

Are we doing the whole or are we still only sort of answering you know the levels three and four or how's that working?

So what we did is is pre-COVID, fire our fire department was responding to uh every medical emergency in the town of Uroyal.

When COVID hit, the VC emergency health services reduced that number to zero.

They they stopped sending fire to calls except for cardiac arrests.

After about four or five months, everyone got their bearings.

When they reintroduced it, I reevaluated the program and found that probably a third of the calls that we go to didn't require the fire department to go to those calls, and we've eliminated those calls from our uh from our matrix.

So now we respond to obviously life-threatening emergencies, but calls that will result in, or if there's a delay.

Uh there are several, there are hundreds of calls below that were still emergency calls, but we don't go to those anymore because they're not life-threatening.

So we'll see probably a reduction in our in our medical aid response for 2021 and the tail end of 2020.

I just noticed there's a big decrease in January, February.

So I just wondered coming, coming, like I said, coming back up to historical sort of people are starting to get on the move again and life is starting to start to get back to normal.

And with that, I I probably I'll see a decrease in bylaw complaints and an increase in in fire and medical complaints, it uh as people get back to work and stop working from home, there won't be as much opportunity to observe your neighbor doing something.

So okay, thank you.

Yeah.

Anyone else?

Hello, counselor.

Um yeah, first off, um, you know, with the the homeless.

Um, do you have a sense of how many active homeless uh places you have?

And I guess that homelessness depends if there's just the one or or more than one.

Yeah, we've got about a half a dozen.

Okay.

And they're so deeply entrenched you you can't see them.

You don't know where they are.

We know where they are.

Um for the most part, these people don't draw attention to themselves and they they don't want the attention.

Uh it's usually a bylaw infraction or a fire or something that attracts attention to them that raises uh so the one that's up by on on the the Theaters interchange um up on the railroad tracks?

Yes.

Yeah, is that still alive and going?

I'll check.

I I thought they had moved on.

I believe they might be gone.

Okay.

I know they had been dumping a lot of garbage on that right away and whatnot.

But I guess that's the sorry Paul, but that that's the problem, you know.

They come, they leave the crop, they go.

Yeah.

And um Are you referring to the one in between the Trans Canada and the goose?

Yeah.

Okay, they have moved on, and there is a massive pile of garbage and debris in that in that right away.

And uh M O T I has been notified of that.

I know they're working to get rid of it.

Probably not dissimilar to the one at McKenzie and Pat B where they had to go in and clean that up.

Yeah, I was wondering if it's M O T or E N N, ICF, uh, you know, it was right beside the tracks.

I think it could be a combination of those.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, yeah.

Because certainly the the cleanup issue is you leave it, then the next bunch comes in and and uh and so on.

Um, and I guess the just the other comment on on the bylaw um permits.

Absolutely.

I was really surprised to see graphically that uh 2020 was had the same amount of revenue as 2019.

I saw that.

Let me just uh open reopen up my uh I'm on page four.

Yeah, my file here again.

They were pretty pretty much the same, um, obviously considerably lower than 17 and 18.

I'm hoping for an uptick in 2021 in some of the larger projects that are coming online.

And certainly it's surprising to see a COVID year which would be the same as 2019.

I guess that shows you how bad 2019 was.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yes.

Thank you very much.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

A couple of things.

Parsons Ridge.

I think in general, we've been a staff report is coming back to us, right?

On how to deal with that whole situation under there in terms of jurisdiction with the province.

And I saw the septic report, yeah.

But just the whole situation, because obviously I don't think we can just let it go.

Um, but at any rate, as the the snow clearing bylaw, I was the one fortunate enough to receive a whole lot of phone calls.

Thank you on that one.

And I showed under my ties next week.

My only observation would be I mean, I I don't know how we manage it properly, but it's it's a tough one, right?

Because all over town, I mean, if you drove along Helmaken Island Highway, there were uncleared sidewalks everywhere.

Um and so I get on Highland Road a neighbor or someone up there complained.

But I just I don't know how we deal with it, and maybe it's worth some thought before we have another snowfall.

Because what like our neighbor directly across from us, she's 92.

There's no way she's going to go out and shovel her sidewalk.

No.

So I mean, there's also, and that's kind of the flavor of why people were upset, is because they get this letter, and you know, grandma can't do her sidewalk, or as you said, grandma does struggle out and do her sidewalk, and then half an hour later the snow cloud puts it, she puts it all back.

So maybe before the next snow event, which probably won't happen for a while, we should just give some consideration of how we're gonna deal with it.

Because I I mean I agree that people should do their sidewalks, that would be ideal.

Yeah, yeah.

So not that we have that many sidewalks.

Just my thoughts.

Pardon that many sidewalks.

Generally, so uh pre-snow season, a letter is sent to all these stratas because obviously they're responsible for the road and their sidewalks.

So as a course of action we send that out reminding, but there there's nothing it could be something for a newsletter, it could be something as a reminder, a mail out, something you know that reminds people that you know it's but we do a fair bit, right?

I mean staff even advertise it.

I've seen it in the Goldstream Gazette and in the newsletter and things that people it's like the 1.7 million people that phoned for a vaccine yesterday when the 54 just I yeah yeah they probably don't read it but I I mean I I I kind of sympathize with our bylaw officer he he doesn't go looking he doesn't go looking for these issues and and unfortunately the the complaints were loud and clear on that particular issue so he not knowing the community flavor we know the community flavor now we understand the way the community operates up there now and we're quite quite attuned to that now um no harm no fight i mean the there there's no record of infraction it's yeah it's a reminder and i think everything is calmed down in that sense up yes no i think it has so does the letter go out in advance saying hey this is a reminder snow season approaches you're responsible for your sidewalk okay i i'd maybe meet with our director of engineering mr rosenberg and see if you could assist with that with that letter give him trouble well you know you know Paul um the island highway sidewalks which which are you know uh that's major yeah they were treacherous they were absolutely treacherous and and in in spots, you know.

And our staff normally do those, right?

Because it was on a weekend, our park staff weren't here, but normally our parks crew is out and and they do the sidewalks all along here and Helmington.

So it was a combination of the thing.

Okay, got it.

Okay.

Um sorry, can I just question to you uh your worship?

Was um were the calls from everywhere?

If you walk there was no pattern.

No, there was one specific neighborhood in in Riverside Ridge where quite a few people were upset that they were singled out.

Yeah.

Okay.

If no one's complaining, we're not doing our job.

Just want to be noticed.

Okay, motion to receive.

So moved.

Received.

Thank you for coming.

Thank you all.

Lovely to see you.

Always a pleasure.

So we'll move right into this meaty protective service.

Okay.

So that's it for protective services.

Finance and administration.

And Councillor Matson obviously did his homework over the weekend.

He had a lot of questions.

He probably read the minutes from the last meeting, too.

So we'll move right to 6.23A, which is the grants in aid.

Just uh I don't have a copy of that because anyways, it disappeared from my my machine.

So are we gonna for the for all the applications?

Yeah.

So we want anything with those today or yeah, no, we're going to approve or not approve them today.

I'm sure staff can put them up like we have in the past.

We can put the list up.

It doesn't work.

No, they're all but but what's up for very first is our our policy.

And I think um I I personally would just move receipt of this for now and go through the grants and aid and see what we want to approve and what we don't want to approve.

And if council wishes to um pass a motion to to not follow the policy for this year, that's certainly within our purview.

When we get done, yeah.

Move receipt.

So move okay.

So it's move moved receipt.

Second.

Second, so moved by Councillor Rogers, seconded by Councillor Mattson.

All in favor, opposed, that's carried.

So next, then we have the grants and aid application package.

So I do have one question about the last thing.

I think it's a a percentage and so uh under the percentage we'd of what we got our casino revenue.

I I my recollection is that we'd only have twenty thousand dollars worth of grants and aid this year, but we decided to keep it at what we had last year or up to 20%.

47.

Well, what we just said we what we just decided to do is we just received that report for now.

I mean, you you could argue that our casino revenue wouldn't really go down because we did replace all the funding with other money.

Right.

Yeah.

So I I think if council, I'm not saying we should approve all the grants and aid by any means, but I think we should go through the list and not feel necessarily constrained by that because that is our policy.

Um, and then decide at the end.

But yeah, I mean our casino revenue last year was there was one quarter's worth, right?

But thankfully we got that.

Yeah, yeah.

So I think probably we should just go through the list like we've done before, although it's not very easy to read.

Um but I've got it in here as well.

Yeah, we're sure we can I can make that a little bit larger if you wish.

Uh it's hard for me to tell how how big it is for your viewing in there.

Yeah, that's actually not bad.

Not too bad.

I could read Crisis Intervention Public Information Society.

So yeah, so that's so I mean that's the very first one.

That's one that we've done for years and years and years, right?

The old crisis line.

Is it the where you know I think the U2 suicide, which is a big issue right now, so I'm happy to support that.

Okay, so seeing general noddings of heads on on the thousand dollars for them.

So next we have the crossing guards.

So I was confused on this.

I mean, is are we only being asked now for two at Eagle View and one at Helmican?

Staff, are you are you?

Um yeah, I I'm not looking at the application itself in front of me.

We would have to refer to the package, um, which I which I can pull up for sure.

I can go there.

I mean that that was the impression I got.

It just seemed it seemed like the amount per crossing guard had had gone up.

But I suppose when you look at in 2019, they wanted 33,000.

We have by eliminating the two positions, we have gone down by 10,000.

In in reading it, your worship I read three crossing guards?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

No, I just wanted to make sure.

Yeah, it's really gonna be very difficult to go dwell into the details because that means you have to find that page in this list.

It it is worth noting just for next year.

As much as it's admirable to save the paper, it's really difficult to scroll back and forth through 350, 400 some odd pages in here.

Your worship, if I may, we we did try to um uh mitigate that by putting the page numbers on this sheet as well so that application starts on page 32, if that's helpful at all.

Right.

Thank you.

So it's just too much.

Okay, so are we all we're all okay then with leaving the crossing guards in?

That's not really when we have much of a choice of we'll have just um hang on, I've got to go back up because I was on page 263.

Um so last year we granted 13,365.

This year $10,000 more.

Last year was very odd because of COVID and and different things.

Yeah.

So this I think is presuming there'd be a full September and yeah, they're gonna be back and forth.

Well, just but but just hang on.

Last year we approved 17.

That was prior to COVID.

Yeah, but issued, right?

Approved and issued.

So we approved 17,000.

So why would we repro approve 23 this year?

Well, I that's sort of the question I was asking, but I I think that's what they were asking for.

I think the per crossing guard amount has increased.

Oh well, let's not give them a raise and say it's 17.8.

So so what what page are they on again?

Page 32.

Yes.

So yeah, that was the information I was trying to glean from their application was whether or not the per crossing guard amount had increased from last year.

And it's kind of hard to make that out.

I'm happy with twenty-three.

Do we do we want to seek clarification from them?

Sure.

Okay.

I mean, so I I think we should earmark the twenty-three thousand five hundred and fifty for now, but but we could seek clarification as to what is the actual fee per crossing guard this year and what was it for the last two years, just for argument's sake, so we can make that comparison okay staff are you okay with that okay so next we have the Greater Victoria BMX Society nothing no okay so I'm hearing two no's looking to my left damn we ever given them any grants before 500 I guess well I think we approved them for 500 but they didn't they didn't use it because I think because again because of COVID I this is, I believe this is attached to the West Shore Parks and Recreation Facility is my understanding.

But I I do receive semi-regular correspondence from what I believe is this society who promote BMX writing for youth in the West Shore.

And they do operate out of the West Shore Parks and Rec property, which they lease from them.

And they've been providing uh complimentary lessons and whatnot to local youth.

So I am comfortable with 500 if that is the case.

Your worship.

I think they're asking for, I mean, we can give them whatever you I mean, we could certainly give them 500, but I think they're asking for 2000.

Yeah, I was going for five, they're over no.

Right, okay.

Yeah.

John.

Yeah, when I read the um uh the information on page 41, you know, this is a bike loner program.

And so anyone the opportunity with bikes giving um, you know, and it makes no mention of West Shore.

Except it is the West Shore address, right?

1767 Island Highway.

Oh, is that what it is?

Oh yeah.

So I like I said, I'm gonna rule 500 for uh for a gesture and see how that works.

I'll be able to monitor and report fire.

I'll support that.

Right.

Okay, are we willing to do the 500?

Then five two thousand.

Okay, so five hundred it is for the Greater Victoria BMX Society.

Um bike to Work Society, which has actually changed a little bit, right?

The bike Victoria Society they're called now.

Yeah.

Should we do 500 for them again?

Why not zero?

Well, I think they're worth supporting.

John's gonna want to give them more.

So I'm gonna go councillor Rogers.

Um, well, again, um, this this the whole focus looks like it's changed.

Um, they're now uh specifically talking about a bike program for Eagle View.

Yeah, creates four and five.

And um, you know, they're doing it.

That's a society, but they're doing it just for Eagle View, and I'm wondering, you know, right?

What did the what about uh View Royal Elementary?

Um, you know, why one school not over the other?

Well, View Royal Elementary did have the CRD ready drop role program last year, right?

Which is similar, but yeah, but no, I'd forgotten that actually that they are doing a school program.

It's probably worth supporting them for that.

Well, yeah.

If it's down to five and and let the parents pay the rest.

Or should we give them split the difference and do 650?

Uh 500.

500.

Okay, we're getting lots of 500.

So 500 for Bike Victoria Society.

We'll let all the PAC parents talk to Councillor Rogers.

There's no way to this the South Island Film Commission?

Zero.

No, we we should do the 500, right?

We've done it every year, and it's it's important to them for funding to show that all the municipalities are supporting them.

I would even go as far as saying a thousand.

I was gonna say, you know, in the spirit of our recent bylaw, which is trying to encourage filming here in View Royal, it may be a nice gesture to meet in the middle of 1000.

Right.

I thought we were trying to not do it by making them get building permits.

I'm I'm happy to do a thousand, especially seeing as the executive director lives in View Royal.

Yeah.

Okay, as long as we all get starring roles.

Okay, so View Royal has been has has had some real cameos in recent movies.

Okay, so I have to ask what benefit is that to View Royal?

It's benefit to the region as a whole, I think, right?

The filming?

Like Helmican Market was just used for Netflix.

Um the house on Stewart Avenue.

Gary helped him.

Gary Matthews House?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think now that Netflix is really doing a lot of filming.

I guess it makes sense.

So we're doing a thousand for the Vancouver Island Film Commission.

Number six, I don't remember what this one was.

I so what what page is that?

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