Public Hearing/Documents/Christie Point Redevelopment Summary of Comments Received NEIGHBOURHOOD OPEN HOUSE
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Christie Point Redevelopment Summary of Comments Received NEIGHBOURHOOD OPEN HOUSE
June 27, 2017Pages 130–1342 sections
Detailed compilation of community feedback received after the September 22 neighborhood open house.
September 22, 201622 Comment Forms completed4 YES, 12 NO on agreement with planning principlesMajor concerns: traffic, building height, density
Christie Point Redevelopment Summary of Comments Received
NEIGHBOURHOOD OPEN HOUSE, September 22, 2016:
22 Comment Forms Completed and Returned After the Open House
How would you best describe yourself?
- 8 Resident of Christie Point Apartments
- 9 Neighbour of Christie Point
- 4 Community Member
- 1 Other: Private property owner on Shoreline Drive; former resident of Christie Point.
The project team developed a set of planning principles to guide the redevelopment planning process. Do you agree with the planning principles?
- 4 YES
- 12 NO
Comments:
- It was my understanding that there are restrictive covenants precluding this kind of development. Is there any truth to that?
- The site plan is too large for the area. 2-3 storeys max just like Bylaws suggest. The light pollution from 400 more units will be massively disruptive for both wildlife and residents. The nature reserve should be highly respected.
- Stick to OCP/Zoning Bylaw. 4 storey max (on designated height) stay at or below FSR. This is not the place to develop with tall buildings in the middle of a recreational area (Portage Inlet) which will spoil any natural view presently remaining. Trees will be destroyed by proposed buildings.
- Not entirely – the traffic problem will not be resolved adequately – it will just be pushed a bit further past the Shoreline, Craigflower intersection.
- Good that we have an open house- need to know more.
- I believe they are finding ways to justify their development plans solely to cover up the sole motivation is for more profit. There is very little concern for displacement of families in particular.
- Planning should be done only after consulting with existing stakeholders, residents, neighbours and the community.
- 2 9-storey towers are unreasonable and will be an eyesore in the community. A lot of people will be displaced and probably won’t be able to afford the rent hikes!
- I believe that a phase plan should be implemented.
- Not agreeing with OCP as far as height restrictions. I feel upset that a multinational is coming to our neighbouhrood and don’t give a damn for locals.
- Density/traffic – how resolved – exists is absurd. No solutions – and best to develop than continue the sprawl. Dead end site with huge traffic issue.
- Apartment blocks (without townhouses or single storey dwellings) dwarves pedestrians. Not in keeping with immediate neighbours, neighbourhood. More suited to inner city site than such a suburban/pastoral site.
- It looks very attractive and has many attributes. I’m excited to be a tenant there!
- The main concern is access from Christie Point to the Island Highway either in an easterly or a westerly direction. Also access to Christie Point from Island Highway from either direction is already extremely difficult. There are PRESENT conditions. One cannot fathom what it will look like when the McKenzie interchange constructions are being carried out. Compound this further by the possibility of construction vehicles trying to access for development. The mind boggles!!! Then, fast forward a few MORE years when higher density tenancy at Christie Point may be a possibility. The traffic flow will be worse than a crawl.
- No attention whatsoever to the human aspects – we are plainly excited whether we like it or not. Most of us seniors, handicapped people, young families – won’t be able to afford the new rate and all of this for the sake of your successful business – an absolute shame.
- Too high density, Storeys too high.
- Principles are unrealistic.
Are there any other planning principles the project team could consider?
Comments:
- Less units is a must!!!! There needs to be a more reasonable project presented to the public. Less units!!!! More people = more damage that’s just a fact. I will wait to see the new renderings with less units.
- Stick to DPAs which are designated to protect ESAs (Environmentally Sensitive Areas)
- You need to consider seriously the effect of such a project on the visual aspects of this important waterway – it’s one of the best in the Victoria area.
- It appears that the environmental issues have been raised. I do not think increasing the density on such a narrow strip of land is appropriate.
- Housing all residents who wish to stay, at rents no more than that allowed by existing rental legislation that protect residents from rental gouging. With 339 more sites and some I see no reason current residents could not stay on in new buildings at current rental agreements. At minimum, for a multi year transition commitment.
- Maintain the low rent housing and allow existing tenants to stay. All new structures should be no more than 2 storeys high. Many tenants of Christie Point will be asked to move and will not be able to afford rent in other locations.
- As far as I can see, and without in-depth knowledge, the planning principles seem fair. Except – traffic and traffic issues (especially during rush hour) should be thoroughly studied before proceeding. Suggestion: grandfather current tenants @ their existing rents and increase via new tenants moving in.
- The rental market of the CRD (Victoria) it is unreasonable to expect residents to find affordable housing within six months. By using a phase plan, it will keep residence here and put forward the planned.
- Height and density – the OCP states small lot detached homes, low rise apartments – buildings up to 3-4 storeys – none of which your plan has followed!!
- Some serious thought has to be put into traffic that is already ridiculous and getting worse every year.
- Amalgamation and regional planning versus district planning. No existing mid rise/high rise zones in View Royal? Pointint out flaws of past as positive to amend and develop.
- Existing View Royal OCP envisions multi-family in single family townhouses and apartment buildings “3-4 storeys”. There are no townhouses showing in your development concept and most importantly your apartment blocks are all 4 storeys or higher up to 9 storeys!! Way too high for site!! Way too high for neighbourhood.
- The team could consider supporting any plans for rapid transit to and from Victoria. Bring back the trains! The corridor already there. Solving the current traffic chaos should be the priority! Sewers can wait!
- The traffic, it will be too much for the road.
- Keep ‘family’ area in one place (with playground, but no leagues). Grandfather pets for present tenants and disallow pets in future – as it used to be when I moved in 12 ½ years ago when it was a well observed ‘protected’ area.
- Have a consultant evaluate the human impact. The human factor is ignored.
- Impact (realistic) on traffic impact on ambience of neighbourhood. Will rents be increased? Out of reach of present tenants.
The project team has completed a number of technical studies to inform the redevelopment planning process. Are there any other topics or studies that you think could be further researched?
- 12 YES
- 1 NO
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Comments:
- Less units!!!
- More to follow!!!
- As I’ve already stated, the visual effects of increased height and density of the area is of major importance in retaining the value of this area.
- Flooding, erosion, bird and wildlife sanctuary, are key points – increase in sewage, water, roads will exhaust resources.
- Traffic congestion – during construction and after completion - Shoreline road and intersection at Shoreline and Island Highway as well as Craigflower and Admirals.
- Relocating existing tenants at the same rental rates or subsidizing them for having to rent elsewhere.
- Traffic – what are you going to do about it. It’s already bad.
- Traffic implications, particularly egress in the case of an emergency. This is also be the case with the current Christie Point).
- Traffic with McKenzie interchange construction effect the Admirals/Craigflower intersection.
- Consideration for the school hasn’t been addressed.
- More traffic studies, additional documentation supporting your statement that growth from existing number of units to 500 units will “insignificantly “ impact traffic flow. I think that is a gross understatement.
- Emergency plans in case of earthquake or fire or other tenant emergencies i.e. heart attack etc.
- Yes, I think there should be more research on developing the sites, technical studies.
- Don’t know.
- Traffic at Old Island Highway major issue.
- Traffic impact on school re: traffic, highrise proximity to heliport
Please let us know what your think about the preliminary concept plans.
Comments:
- Your sketch of the proposed development is completely misleading. From our vantage point (directly across from Christie Point), even buildings 4 storeys high will eliminate our view of most of the trees. At 6 storeys, we won’t see the hills behind them, and at 9 storeys, we may as well live in James Bay. This is obvious even from the picture on your non-functioning website.
- Too many units. I am all about growth and redevelopment but this is too much for this area.
- The proposed increased density is out of scale in relation to the traffic problems it will create – it’s not going to be resolved – just pushed a bit further up Craigflower. It will still remain a bottleneck to reach the Helmcken intersection.
- High rises on such a small narrow point situated on a mud flat makes no sense.
- The buildings are too high. There is not enough area for parking.
- Too much density for the property.
- I mostly like the preliminary concept plan. My only concern going to 9 storeys. It is my opinion that 9 is too high and would significantly impact the natural beauty.
- Looks good, but housing for present residence has not been considered. How will Mackenzie interchange construction effect traffic while this construction is proposed.
- The OCP calls for 3 and 4 storeys - building height does not coincide with local thinking.
- Too visible over the portage inlet – buildings too high, too many trees gone, buildings dominate the view instead of natural shoreline.
- Well done so far.
- I find the plans are alright.
- Wonderful idea and great attributes!!
- See previous page. Also I’m concerned about the # of trees that will be taken out. Also, misplacing tenants who have lived there for years and who will likely have to move because they can’t afford the rent.
- Good. Do we need nine storeys?
- Ridiculous, no highrises!!! Too ambitious. Stick with 3 storeys.
Do you have any questions about the project that were not addressed in the Open House materials?
Comments:
- What’s going to happen to all the displaced residents? I am strongly opposed to the type of redevelopment you are proposing. There must be many other sites in View Royal far more suitable for high density housing, without the inherent environmental sensitivity attached to this project.
- There is insufficient consideration given to the visual impact of this project.
- Before Open House: Have given minimal consideration to concept as I oppose proceeding with any redevelopment plan. After [Open House]: Need community / Christie Point involvement in design plan and town amenities as part of approval i.e. bike paths, community garden, etc.
- Traffic, displacement, rental rates, # of places that would be offered to existing tenants, construction/displacement phasing. Everything is very vague. Residents in Saanich didn’t receive postcards re: Open House. Only know because I gave them flyer.
- Why has there been so much planning done without any consultation of residents, neighbours and the community.
- At the building planning stage – please deal with soundproofing!!! Currently floorboards squeak appallingly and we can almost hear our neighbours breath! Consider adequate storage areas – this is important.
- Possibilities of housing for residence during project has not been addressed.
- Traffic problems that currently exist are just being ignored. Traffic now at this area is absurd as it is without the addition of a potential 1000 more vehicles.
- The environment to do with a bird sanctuary is it still going to be the same, and another wildlife.
- Heating – will it be reasonably inexpensive as it is now?
Do you have any other comments you would like to share with the project team?
Comments:
- This is a bird sanctuary and environmentally sensitive area. The proposed development is completely inappropriate for the setting – and the suggestion that it would have little impact on traffic is ridiculous. In the 13 years that we have lived here, the bird populations have decreased dramatically. I can’t imagine what this will do to them.
- I personally find the current size perfect and would struggle to go much smaller. I would like to see a green building standard such as LEED put in place for the new design.
- Less units.
- The environmental issues pertaining to this important waterway year-rounds for a myriad of waterfowl species needs to be assessed in considerable in-depth study.
- Changing the density in an area close to family, single homes would adversely affect the neighbourhood.
- I respect the need for more housing but strongly feel tearing down a community is not the answer. There are other places to develop high density housing that would not create an abundance of negative repercussions for so many people. This is pure greed. It shows a lack of understanding for who lives at Christie Point and why they live there.
- This is too much density for the area and it will create further burdens on the existing traffic.
- Currently, Christie Point is a warm, and friendly, and close community. I would hate for this to be lost by making it too big and impersonal. Otherwise, I am excited by the prospect of new and redeveloped dwellings. I love living here and would live in no other place. Thank you.
- This project should not even be considered until after the McKenzie intersection is complete and the impact on traffic that is worse and worse every year.
- Not at this time.
- Wild life, the tenants, plus are rents market rate. Myself, I think the tenants that want to stay should pay the same rent, it shouldn’t change, only the new tenants should pay more.
- Wishing you the very best!
- Concerned about noise, traffic, dust during construction and increased traffic if the project goes through due to the higher density housing = more cars.
- It complements the Marine Trail project. See Councillor John Rogers.
- Not the right locale for high density. We are not downtown! This is not Toronto.
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Extracted from: 2017 06 27 Public Hearing Agenda - Agenda - Pdf